Talking NFL

[Deeeze]

so what does peyton manning have. you make no sense
and don't compare quarterbacks to runningbacks, that's like comparing apples to oranges.

Tom Brady deck is a little more stacked the Peyton's is this season.
Stallworth,Welker,MOSS,Watson and the O-Line
Vs.
Harrison(Missed 3/4 of the season),Wayne,Gonzalez(Rookie work is progress),Clark and O-Line(Ugoh rookie)

 

[Deeeze]

whaaat?
this regime of the new england patriots have won how many super bowls in the last decade?

Even more pressure because they won without all the additions that means they "HAVE" to win this year

 

[zell]

almost doenst count when you are talking greatness, my point is my original statement-i just watched the greatest quarterback of all time rally his team back to complete an UNDEFEATED season, something Joe Montana could never do!!:nanner:

So I guess Marino isn't one of the greatest QBs ever because he almost won a SB(actually they got beat by the Niners pretty bad).

Did you ever see Montana play or watch football in the 80's?If so then you probably wouldn't be trying to argue about this.

so what does peyton manning have. you make no sense
and don't compare quarterbacks to runningbacks, that's like comparing apples to oranges.

I think I wrote it wrong of You Misunerstood me.I meant to say that most QBs can't carry a team on their own.And I'm not comparing QBs with RBs,I was drawing a parallel of comparison not an actual comparison.

 

[slikpulla152]

Tom Brady deck is a little more stacked the Peyton's is this season.
Stallworth,Welker,MOSS,Watson and the O-Line
Vs.
Harrison(Missed 3/4 of the season),Wayne,Gonzalez(Rookie work is progress),Clark and O-Line(Ugoh rookie)

this season. brady has been successful for years, without MOSS. Welker and Watson are good but they thrive with Brady at quarterback. You could replace them with a Lee Evans and Owen Daniels and have about the same success.

and what quarterback will be successful without at least a decent offensive line.

my problem with zell is he says Brady can't carry a team and isn't a real quarterback. where the fuck have you been man,

 

[alexpnz]

So I guess Marino isn't one of the greatest QBs ever because he almost won a SB(actually they got beat by the Niners pretty bad).

Did you ever see Montana play or watch football in the 80's?If so then you probably wouldn't be trying to argue about this.




I think I wrote it wrong of You Misunerstood me.I meant to say that most QBs can't carry a team on their own.And I'm not comparing QBs with RBs,I was drawing a parallel of comparison not an actual comparison.

ive seen them all (bradshaw,montana,marino,staubach,farve,manning,stabler,kelly,elway,etc,etc) and im giving my OPINION that nobody can or has done the things that i see tom brady do!
you can argue that he has the weapons blah,blah,blah but who didnt?
bottom line- you still gotta get the ball to those weapons!!

 

[slikpulla152]

I think I wrote it wrong of you misunerstood me.I meant to say that most QBs can't carry a team on their own.And I'm not comparing QBs with RBs,I was drawing a parallel of comparison not an actual comparison.

and what i'm saying is brady can carry a team, he's done it for years. he hasn't always had a MOSS, he's even lacked a run support at times.

 

[Deeeze]

this season. brady has been successful for years, without MOSS. Welker and Watson are good but they thrive with Brady at quarterback. You could replace them with a Lee Evans and Owen Daniels and have about the same success.

and what quarterback will be successful without at least a decent offensive line.

my problem with zell is he says Brady can't carry a team and isn't a real quarterback. where the fuck have you been man,

I don't think he is saying that.The way I understood it is that he is saying that Brady is "a great" quarterback and not "the greatest" quarterback.

 

[alexpnz]

I don't think he is saying that.The way I understood it is that he is saying that Brady is "a great" quarterback and not "the greatest" quarterback.

lets just be honest here, hes hating on brady!
bottom line, and thats ok!, its his opinion!:dunno:

 

[zell]

this season. brady has been successful for years, without MOSS. Welker and Watson are good but they thrive with Brady at quarterback. You could replace them with a Lee Evans and Owen Daniels and have about the same success.

and what quarterback will be successful without at least a decent offensive line.

my problem with zell is he says Brady can't carry a team and isn't a real quarterback. where the fuck have you been man,

I would like you to find a quote of me saying that!I'm saying that Brady ain't the greatest QB ever,and he wouldn't have a record setting year without his supporting cast,I'm sure he would say that himself.If you put say Carson Palmer,a very good QB,on that Patriots team,He would more than likely have the same numbers that Brady has put up this season.

Brady is without a doubt the best QB in the league this season but if you think that he could take the Falcons to the Superbowl then you need to put the crack pipe down.

 

[Deeeze]

I would like you to find a quote of me saying that!I'm saying that Brady ain't the greatest QB ever,and he wouldn't have a record setting year without his supporting cast,I'm sure he would say that himself.If you put say Carson Palmer,a very good QB,on that Patriots team,He would more than likely have the same numbers that Brady has put up this season.

Brady is without a doubt the best QB in the league this season but if you think that he could take the Falcons to the Superbowl then you need to put the crack pipe down.

Please, American Airlines couldn't take the Falcons to the Super Bowl

 

[zell]

and what i'm saying is brady can carry a team, he's done it for years. he hasn't always had a MOSS, he's even lacked a run support at times.

:wtf:
You need to go back to the tapes or something,because Brady NEVER carried any of the Patriots teams. The Defense of the past Patriots teams were really fuckin' good and didn't have to rely on the offense scoring 35+ points per game for the team to win.

 

[slikpulla152]

He can't carry a team on his own(like most QBs).He has an unbelievable line in front of him and outstanding receivers that can make play and get open for him.It's like arguing who's better,Barry Sanders or Emmett Smith.Sure Emmett has the career rushing title,but he also has one of the best offensive lines ever in football,where as Barry NEVER but for maybe two years had a line and look what he did.

Put Brady on the Falcons or some lame ass team and lets see what he can do.I'm not taking away from what he's done but let's get some perspective shall we.

there's your quote. you're calling him average at best by saying "he can't carry a team like most other quarterbacks (can't carry their team)."

your saying the only reason he's successful is because of what's around him.

i'm saying he hasn't always had such a team around him. he can and has carried his team to and through championships. he's not like "other qbs". he is and has been great.

 

[zell]

Please, American Airlines couldn't take the Falcons to the Super Bowl

:rofl:

 

[slikpulla152]

:wtf:
You need to go back to the tapes or something,because Brady NEVER carried any of the Patriots teams. The Defense of the past Patriots teams were really fuckin' good and didn't have to rely on the offense scoring 35+ points per game for the team to win.

just because he wasn't lighting up the stat sheets like this season doesn't mean he wasn't leading that offense. They've always had a great defense, but it's not like Chicago was from 2006-07. Brady did his part and led the offense.

 

[zell]

I think I wrote it wrong of you misunerstood me.I meant to say that most QBs can't carry a team on their own.And I'm not comparing QBs with RBs,I was drawing a parallel of comparison not an actual comparison.

You obviously missed my correction of a previous post.

 

[slikpulla152]

i understand your corrections completely.

i'm saying brady is not in the category of those quarterbacks that can't carry a team because he can and he has done it before

 

[zell]

just because he wasn't lighting up the stat sheets like this season doesn't mean he wasn't leading that offense. They've always had a great defense, but it's not like Chicago was from 2006-07. Brady did his part and led the offense.

Sounds like you are back peddling now.Every quarterback leads their offense,especially those who go to the Superbowl.And while their D wasn't as good as last years Bears or the Ravens D when they won,they have always been championship caliber.

 

[slikpulla152]

you miss understood my quote, the chicago comparison was about sexy rexy not the bears defense.

The patriots have never had to rely solely on their defense to get them through their seasons because Brady could take care of his offense

 

[zell]

i understand your corrections completely.

i'm saying brady is not in the category of those quarterbacks that can't carry a team because he can and he has done it before

Sorry,I ain't buying what you're selling. Most QBs carry their team a game or two during a season but do you actually think that without Brady the patriots would win?Like I said,if you put Carson Palmer or god forbid,Brett Farve on this team, you would probably get the same results.

Oh and for the record I think that there were only a few QBs that could actually "carry" his team throughout the season.


Randall Cunningham(with the Eagles)
Joe Montana(with the Chiefs)
John Elway
Dan Marino
Brett Farve

These are guys who could find a way to win games even if their supporting cast wasn't up to snuff.

 

[zell]

you miss understood my quote, the chicago comparison was about sexy rexy not the bears defense.

The patriots have never had to rely solely on their defense to get them through their seasons because Brady could take care of his offense

And that's why the Bears lost the Superbowl,because they did had to rely on their defense and special teams too much.

Of course the Patriots never had to rely solely on their D,and of course Brady took care of business but the team didn't rely solely on Brady to "take care of business" either did they?

Would Peyton Manning not have "took care of business" if he were the QB of those previous Patriots teams?