SCOTUS Upholds Obamacare!!! Suck It Conservatives!!!

[darkwarrior3007]

I think ban-one is confusing Justice Kennedy with the Kennedy family. Considering the accusations that he, PR and Justaman are making about me, I find this very amusing.

I was actually going to write that Justice Kennedy isn't related to THOSE Kennedys, but I figured the poster was smarter than that and felt that maybe he meant something else. Of course, I may have been giving him too much credit.

 

[Will E Worm]

Blue Cross/Blue Shield and all the others have had "death panels" for years. But until they get sick, most Americans don't realize that they're nothing but numbers and loss statistics to the insurance companies. I know... they killed my aunt when she had cancer and they wouldn't pay for a bone marrow transplant. Fuck them!

What this means to me is that I now don't have to worry about going fully independent, giving up my employer sponsored plan and having to beg some shit bag insurance company for a 60/40, $700 a month junk policy, just because I now have pre-existing conditions. Yeah baby! These middle fingers are for you, big insurance. :thefinger

And now, all you people who want to roll the dice and not have insurance, but you sure as hell don't mind running to the ER as soon as you get sick, run up a big bill that you can't/won't pay and then cause people like me to have to pay higher bills, now you dead beats have to have insurance too! I say, good! :thumbsup:

There will still be many people that do not have insurance and never will.

There will be many illegals that are treated and never pay. I shouldn't have to pay if they don't.

So, in 2014 half or more of the population will be rounded up because they will not pay the tax for being forced to buy something?
2014 the war starts?

 

[Straight Shooter]

In fifty years we will be talking about the ACA like it's Medicare or Social Security. People will love it, they'll be bitching and moaning whenever someone will try and make changes to it.

 

[Straight Shooter]

Nice classless post. You do realize all Obama had to do was open up free competition of healthcare across state borders and you would have received coverage, at a competing (lower) cost, for your pre-existing condition. It's called the free market and competition amongst companies drives prices down. It happened to car insurance so it would have inevitably occurred within health insurance. Now, this albatross of a tax will cost us upwards of over $15 Trillion dollars. AND, we still don't know what's in it ("We have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it" Nancy Pelosi).

How will taking away freedom of choice take away from freedom? This is a rhetorical, right?

Just in case it isn't:


And on, and on, and on...

How is this not a blatant violation of liberty?


*And for the record, I don't believe I've ever called you stupid, and I don't think you are. I've generally leave the name calling to you and your board mates.

1. In 2014, the Affordable Insurance Exchange will go into effect. Exchanges will offer you a choice of health plans that meet certain benefits and cost standards. Starting in 2014, Members of Congress will be getting their health care insurance through Exchanges, and you will be able buy your insurance through Exchanges too

2. In 2014, the law will implement the second phase of the small business tax credit for qualified small businesses and small non-profit organizations. In this phase, the credit is up to 50% of the employer’s contribution to provide health insurance for employees. There is also up to a 35% credit for small non-profit organizations

Before you make another post, I suggest you visit the ACA's website and get all the faqs because clearly you have no idea what is even in it.
http://www.healthcare.gov/index.html

 

[xfire]

We want this overturned and we are not stoping until it is.

Articulate your reasons for wanting it overturned.

 

[ban-one]

I think ban-one is confusing Justice Kennedy with the Kennedy family. Considering the accusations that he, PR and Justaman are making about me, I find this very amusing.

No, I'm not confusing him. He's not what any one would call 'right wing' or 'conservative' and he voted in line with what the Constitution grants the Federal government power to do.

Unlike some other people who ruled that a claimed non-tax is a tax, and that unlike any other tax that is placed on everyone uniformly, you can get out of this tax by buying insurance. A tax on a non action, as opposed to an action, like sales tax or income tax.

And what accusations have I made about you?


I WILL NOT COMPLY

 

[Red Spyder]

Et tu, John?

Either way, I will not comply. Romney now most definetly gets my vote.

 

[lurkingdirk]

I WILL NOT COMPLY

I have to say, this just makes you look foolish. You will, in fact, comply (or COMPLY, I guess). Or, you'll have enormous fines, or go to jail. It's just that simple. It's the law.

:2 cents:

 

[ban-one]

Aside from telling me that even someone on the right like Roberts can see it for what it is and that the government is not overstepping it's authority there, it tells me that the United States has a system that is lauded by people on the right when they "do what they are supposed to" and held up as an archtype liberal institution that is destroying America when they do not. The fact that you compare a constitutionally-valid initiative such as Obamacare with genocide shows your bias in this case. Please do everyone a favour and read the majority opinion on this case before you try and compare it to a joke like that.

The court is conservative; maybe by a small margin, but it is conservative.

Roberts might be 'right' and the court 'conservative' to you on the left, but to someone on the right, he and it are not. Just like some on the left think Obama's too far to the right. (ha) That's a matter of perspective. And would you feel the same way if when Bush (a progressive) had both houses they had pushed through legislation that said you must own a gun? I wouldn't want that any more than I suspect you would, and I like guns. And when have I compared it to genocide?

Being conservative and progessive are not mutally exclusive, thankfully, and in this case it is good to see that the justices are not completely cemented in their ideological viewpoints that they allowed it to obscure the correct ruling. Face it: a conservative judge decided that Obamacare was constitutional. It could have been struck down, but Roberts made his decision. You Might not like it, but you have very little grounds to say you know better than a Chief Justice, just like you have very little grounds to say you know how the Constitution was meant to be interpreted. That is not up to you to decide; that's the perogative of the Supreme Court, and this time they decided Obamacare was constitutional based upon hundred-year old interpretations made by previous courts. Even if you reject that the Constitution is an evolving document, the decision came about as the result of previous decisions, making your arguments against the Supreme Court even more pointless.

Actually, conservative and progressive are mutually exclusive. One wants small government that intrudes as little in our lives as possible. The other wants to slowly make us communist Russia, or at least socialist Europe, with an all-controlling government. How can they be anything but mutually exclusive? So, the four liberal justices weren't cemented by their ideology? I have just as much grounds to say I know more than any Justice on this or any matter as you or any one else on this, or any matter. Their, your, and my opinion on a matter are all equally valid, no matter how much we may disagree. And now you're arguing that their opinion is based on the last 100 years, and not the Constitution. So which is it? Ruling based on 100 years of progressivism warping our country or the document as written? Choose carefully, because only one leads to constitutionality.

Please, keep saying you will not comply if it makes you feel better and that those who support health care are anti-Americans. I think America's political situation would be a lot better without idiots like you who, instead of treating fellow Americans are equals, paint them as inferior and anti-American if they belive something different than you. I'm sorry to pop your bubble here, but you WILL comply because, despite your patriotic ignorance, you won't be refusing to pay taxes anytime soon and you know it. You do not have the balls to do that, and as I am sure you have been told by Fox News, anyone who doesn't pay taxes is a Communist. Better pay up. comrade.

I will keep saying it because I mean it, and I have never called anyone who supported it 'anti-American,' nor have I treated anyone as 'inferior,' (if you're referring to my use of 'patriotic,' it's patriotic to stand up for what you believe is best for your country, no matter what that position is, meaning just because we don't like the law or choose not to follow it; and I thought the left was big on choice, but I guess that's only if you choose the option you want us to choose; doesn't make me any less patriotic or American than someone who likes it and follows it) or compared it to genocide, and if you truly believed in your position, you would not need false accusations to argue your side. You'd use reason and logic. Tactics of the right. Not the tactics of the left that cannot argue their point, so they must resort to calling people 'idiots' (I do believe you did do that, called me 'ignorant,' and made false accusations) merely because they have a different opinion than you. And finally we end with the left tactic of bullying. Saying I don't have what it takes to not pay taxes and calling me a commie. That's adorable. Who's to say I won't refuse to pay a tax because I choose not to have health insurance? Certainly not you or anyone else. And it doesn't really work to call someone on the right a commie, an ideology 180 degrees opposite of the right, especially for not paying taxes. Communism is on the left, and they're all for paying more and higher taxes. So, in your chosen words, who's a communist for doing what?


I WILL NOT COMPLY

 

[ban-one]

I have to say, this just makes you look foolish. You will, in fact, comply (or COMPLY, I guess). Or, you'll have enormous fines, or go to jail. It's just that simple. It's the law.

:2 cents:

You guys can talk all you want about how I, or anyone else will comply with an unfair tax or pay huge fines, or go to jail(interment camp), but as I recall, another king of the world's most powerful country already tried that once. Right before he lost his 13 colonies and the most powerful country had its butt handed to it by the 20-25% of the colonists that didn't like it. We've got 60% that don't like it, before it's even started, and that number can only go up.


I WILL NOT COMPLY

Oh, and here's a little hint as to what will happen if it comes to it:

 

[bobjustbob]

Articulate your reasons for wanting it overturned.

May I take that task on? I will just paraphrase Worm.

:surprise::crying:

So there.

BobEWorm.

 

[xfire]

May I take that task on? I will just paraphrase Worm.

:surprise::crying:

So there.

BobEWorm.

haha BobEWorm, job well done!

 

[Straight Shooter]

You keep talking "W" like he's relevant... He hasn't been president since the previous decade. Get some new material.

Yes he is relevant because we are still paying for his policies. We still have tax cuts, Medicare part D, and a war in Afghanistan.

 

[Red Spyder]

Resistance is futile. You shall all be assimilated

or else....

I'm sure all "liberals" would be extremely happy if us conservatives were herded away like that for having the audacity to question The One, right? :2 cents:

 

[Will E Worm]

Articulate your reasons for wanting it overturned.

It is unconstitutional. That is all you need to know. :hatsoff:

I WILL NOT COMPLY

No one that can think for themselves will comply.

Et tu, John?

Either way, I will not comply. Romney now most definetly gets my vote.

Maybe, or third party. Obama has to go that is number one.

BobEWorm.

You wish. :tongue:

Resistance is futile. You shall all be assimilated

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a1/Picard_as_Locutus.jpg

or else....

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...troop_Report_-_Warsaw_Ghetto_Uprising_06b.jpg

I'm sure all "liberals" would be extremely happy if us conservatives were herded away like that for having the audacity to question The One, right? :2 cents:

That's what they want. That is what they think tolerance is. Do as we say!

 

[xfire]

It is unconstitutional. That is all you need to know.

The Supreme Court begs to differ. What's apparent is that you're a Fox News Koolaid sipping right-wing towel-boy that can't form a cogent argument to save your life. I blame your parents, but it's not all bad, you are the reigning FreeOnes Asshat of the Year after all.

 

[Mayhem]

Resistance is futile. You shall all be assimilated

or else....

I'm sure all "liberals" would be extremely happy if us conservatives were herded away like that for having the audacity to question The One, right? :2 cents:

Wrong. First of all, it was Georgy II the Messiah who gave us America's Gestapo (Dept. of Homeland Security and TSA, and convinced you, his mindless drones that it was a good thing), made torture legal (and you, his mindless drones went along with it), lied his way into an illegal war and then didn't win it (and you, his mindless drones still think he was right) and let a major American city get wiped of the map (while you, his mindless drones shrugged and thanked your God that it didn't happen to a white city). So keep your bullshit Third Reich analogies to yourself. And we know who the Borg-clones are. The ones who will vote for Mitt-wit and think that they're going to get a better country out of it.

Keep in mind, if Conservatives were hauled away, us Liberals would have to find something else to point and laugh at.

 

[Will E Worm]

The Supreme Court begs to differ.

They can't be taken seriously. Especially after Obama appointed two clowns to the kangaroo court.


The Supreme Law of the land is the Constitution.

Before Presidents take office they have to swear to uphold the Constitution.


Bush, unlike Obama, could actually be sworn in without stumbling through it like he was three years old.

 

[xfire]

Bush, who was appointed to office by a 5-4 Supreme Court decision.

 

[Will E Worm]

Bush, who was appointed to office by a 5-4 Supreme Court decision.

Gore could not accept defeat.

He would have taxed us even more.