SCOTUS Upholds Obamacare!!! Suck It Conservatives!!!

[xfire]

Gore could not accept defeat.

He would have taxed us even more.

That's a Supreme Court decision you agree with though, right?

 

[ban-one]

Resistance is futile. You shall all be assimilated

I like the 'Star Trek' reference. Should have made it myself. However, as also a fan of 'Stargate SG-1' (except for those last 2 seasons and those 2 stupid movies at the end), the Borg bring to mind the Asgard's problem with the Replicators, as the Replicators could assimilate and adapt to all of the Asgard advancements in effort to defeat them. (Just like the Borg and the Enterprise's efforts to adapt to stop them.) Then we, Earth, the unsophisticated people still using gunpowder-powered projectiles instead of energy weapons, are able to easily defeat the Replicators with our low-tech projectile weapons. Namely shotguns, which I suspect would have done a number on the Borg. Getting back on track, the low-tech and few of number SG-1 were able to defeat the high-tech and many of number Replicators. Any one see a parallel there?

or else....

I'm sure all "liberals" would be extremely happy if us conservatives were herded away like that for having the audacity to question The One, right? :2 cents:

It'll probably happen. It's why I posted what I did about it being a concentration/internment camp (which only happens under big gov types) and the SERE training on resistance and escape, because there will be so many of us who refuse to bend over and take it (revolutionary movements tend to be 20-25% of the population, making it between 60 and 75 million of us with even more sympathetic to the cause and helping behind the scenes, and we're talking about being rounded up and held by fellow countrymen, many also sympathetic, in our native country, not, say, Germans and in Germany after being shot down), they won't have the conventional jail space. They'll hafta put us all in like Rhode Island, or Connecticut, and good luck keeping that many people in that large an area under control.


I WILL NOT COMPLY

 

[ban-one]

The fact that he assumed Justice Kennedy is liberal because of his last name speaks volumes to how well he feels he needs to inform himself.

You and Mayhem both assume that I assumed something. Can you read my mind? Do you know what I was thinking when I wrote that? Don't think so.

It could have been that it wasn't someone like Thomas writing it, or that the wisdom of so many was that Kennedy would be the swing vote to uphold and could never side against and would probably bring Roberts along to make it 6-3 and not 5-4 to make the ruling less contentious, or some of both, or more that would waste my time time list, as I could also assume you won't believe me and will continue to think what you want, right or wrong. But we all know what happens when you assume, right?


And because we're still on this thread,

I WILL NOT COMPLY

 

[Rey C.]

I WILL NOT COMPLY

What does that mean exactly? That you refuse to get health insurance? That if you have it, you're going to cancel it and fly a Tea Party flag in front of your house? Well, you're just going to be hurting yourself. If you get seriously ill and you have anything in the way of assets, the hospital billing company will just take whatever you have to satisfy the bill. So if that is the case, not to be insulting, but that simply means that you don't have good sense.

I don't think you people should be forced to have health insurance. But at the same time, I would repeal Reagan's Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act, so that hospitals wouldn't be forced by Federal law to treat you when you got sick and used the ER as a primary care doctor. What would my solution look like? It would look like a desolate, empty field across the property line of the hospital, that hospital security would roll you people into and let you die. You don't want to be insured? I'm perfectly OK with that. But hospitals shouldn't be forced to treat you and I shouldn't be forced to subsidize your unpaid bills because I do have insurance. The GOP'er god, Ronnie Reagan, is the cause of this.

 

[xfire]

You and Mayhem both assume that I assumed something. Can you read my mind? Do you know what I was thinking when I wrote that? Don't think so.

It could have been that it wasn't someone like Thomas writing it, or that the wisdom of so many was that Kennedy would be the swing vote to uphold and could never side against and would probably bring Roberts along to make it 6-3 and not 5-4 to make the ruling less contentious, or some of both, or more that would waste my time time list, as I could also assume you won't believe me and will continue to think what you want, right or wrong. But we all know what happens when you assume, right?


And because we're still on this thread,

I WILL NOT COMPLY

The "wisdom of so many" assumptive mind readers, including yourself, right? I really don't see what your fucking problem is. The court upheld the constitutionality of the health care law, get over it.

 

[vodkazvictim]

Shit.
If America carries on like this I and other foreigners will lose our sense of smug supremacy

 

[Mr. Daystar]

Wrong. First of all, it was Georgy II the Messiah who gave us America's Gestapo (Dept. of Homeland Security and TSA, and convinced you, his mindless drones that it was a good thing), made torture legal (and you, his mindless drones went along with it), lied his way into an illegal war and then didn't win it (and you, his mindless drones still think he was right) and let a major American city get wiped of the map (while you, his mindless drones shrugged and thanked your God that it didn't happen to a white city). So keep your bullshit Third Reich analogies to yourself. And we know who the Borg-clones are. The ones who will vote for Mitt-wit and think that they're going to get a better country out of it.

Keep in mind, if Conservatives were hauled away, us Liberals would have to find something else to point and laugh at.

I didn't hear anything about your great messiah abolishing the patriot act, or the tsa. In fact, he resigned some of the very same Constitutional intrusions that Bush instituted. In fact, your half a fucking retard signed a bill allowing unmanned drones to fly over American soil.

 

[Mayhem]

Kennedy said the whole thing's unconstitutional. Kennedy. What's that tell you?

Aside from telling me that even someone on the left like Kennedy can see it for what it is and that the government has no authority there,

You and Mayhem both assume that I assumed something. Can you read my mind? Do you know what I was thinking when I wrote that? Don't think so.

We don't have to read your mind. It's bad enough that we have to read what you post.

 

[Straight Shooter]

I WILL NOT COMPLY

Stop being a free rider and take some personal responsibility. Fine don't comply, but when you get sick and have to be rushed to the emergency room the hospital should have the option to turn you away. Government is not going to foot the bill for you anymore.

 

[BlueBalls]

I WILL NOT COMPLY EITHER!!!!!!!!!!11111!!!!!!!!!

Even though i don't live in the US, so my compliance is absolutely meaningless!!!!111!!!! RAWRRRRR!

 

[Will E Worm]

That's a Supreme Court decision you agree with though, right?

They did not need to do anything. Count the votes and move on.

I didn't hear anything about your great messiah abolishing the patriot act, or the tsa. In fact, he resigned some of the very same Constitutional intrusions that Bush instituted. In fact, your half a fucking retard signed a bill allowing unmanned drones to fly over American soil.

:goodpost:

Stop being a free rider and take some personal responsibility. Fine don't comply, but when you get sick and have to be rushed to the emergency room the hospital should have the option to turn you away. Government is not going to foot the bill for you anymore.

He's not a "free rider". Hospitals have to take people in if they are sick. :tongue:

They can turn away illegals and don't. :nono:

I WILL NOT COMPLY EITHER!!!!!!!!!!11111!!!!!!!!!

Even though i don't live in the US, so my compliance is absolutely meaningless!!!!111!!!! RAWRRRRR!

Foreigner you already have failed nationalized health care.

 

[monicasilver]

I found the ruling interesting. Can't say I disagree with it. They certainly slapped Obama in the delivery.

It seems to me that the decision was made partly to protect the integrity of the court.

 

[Mayhem]

I didn't hear anything about your great messiah abolishing the patriot act, or the tsa. In fact, he resigned some of the very same Constitutional intrusions that Bush instituted. In fact, your half a fucking retard signed a bill allowing unmanned drones to fly over American soil.

Oh OK, so Bush and the entire piece-of-shit GOP is off the hook because the next guy didn't (couldn't) undo the massive damage that they caused. Well argued.

 

[Mayhem]

Romneycare Architect: Individual Mandate 'Very Similar' In Obama, Romney Bills

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...ruber-mitt-romney-barack-obama_n_1637882.html

One of the few individuals who worked on health care reform under both Mitt Romney and President Barack Obama said on Friday that the controversial individual mandate provision was virtually identical in the bills signed into law by each of them.

"They are very similar," said Jonathan Gruber, a professor of Economics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, in an interview with The Huffington Post. "They aren't the same exact mandate, but they have the same basic structure."

Gruber was a key architect of the sweeping health insurance reform legislation that Romney passed as governor of Massachusetts. In addition, he advised Democrats and the Obama administration on how to build the Affordable Care Act. As that 18-month process unfolded, Gruber famously unloaded on Romney for his attacks on Obamacare, arguing that the two were the "same fucking bill."

Those similarities, he said on Friday, extend to the individual mandate.

"Basically the way it would function is you have a form 1099-HC, which is like a health care form you get from your insurer every year, and you would attach it to your taxes," he said, describing how the mandate would work nationally. "That form would show you have health insurance and you're fine. If you don't have health insurance, you fill out a form on your taxes ... which computes whether you're exempt from the penalty, [which would be the case] if your income is too low or insurance costs too much. Finally, if you don't have the form and you're not exempt, there will be a penalty on your taxes."

In Massachusetts, the Department of Revenue is in charge of enforcing the penalty. For the Affordable Care Act, the responsibility would rest with the IRS.

"The size of the penalty in Massachusetts is an amount that depends on your income," Gruber said. According to the Associated Press, in 2012, "those making more than three times the poverty level –- $32,676 for an individual –- pay the highest penalty of $105 per month, or $1,260 per year."

Nationally, added Gruber, "they do a similar thing. It would be whatever is bigger: $695 or 2.5 percent of your income."

As governor, Romney initially opposed including an individual mandate as part of health care reform. Under pressure from legislators, he ended up signing one into law. Since then, Gruber relayed, the policy has worked well. In the first year alone, 98 percent of tax filers "got it right." A total of 44,000 residents in a state of 6 million paid a penalty.

"I will say that the fines have gone down," current Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick (D) said Friday morning on MSNBC, "because more and more people, as the statistics you cited indicate, have taken up insurance."

As recently as 2008, Romney was comfortable with the idea that such a penalty constituted a tax. But the contours of the debate have changed dramatically since then. And in the wake of the Supreme Court's decision to uphold the constitutionality of the Affordable Care Act's individual mandate under Congress' taxing authority, the presumptive Republican nominee has begun denouncing the mandate as a major tax hike in the strongest possible terms.

"But the people of America, I think, recognize that this legislation is not right for America. It will cost $500 billion in taxes," Romney said at a fundraiser on Friday morning.

In a conference call organized by the Obama campaign, Patrick insisted that the mandate did not constitute a tax. "This is a penalty," he said.

A top Obama administration official, meanwhile, said that if Romney were to argue that Obamacare included a massive tax hike, the president was prepared to respond that, by logical extension, Romney raised taxes in Massachusetts.

A request for comment from the Romney campaign was not immediately returned.

UPDATE: Romney spokesperson Andrea Saul responded in an email, which noted (accurately) that Obama insisted the mandate wasn't a tax while crafting reform. But Saul did not account for how that makes it any different from what Romney passed as governor.

Governor Romney disagreed with the court’s ruling and its findings. What's troubling is the President told the American people the mandate was not a tax, and then sent his lawyer to the Supreme Court to argue it was a tax. So he said one thing to get it passed, and then contradicted himself to get it past the court. This court's decision raises the stakes for the election in November. While Governor Romney is disappointed with the court's ruling, ultimately it is the people who will have the final word.

 

[Straight Shooter]

He's not a "free rider". Hospitals have to take people in if they are sick. :tongue:

You have no idea what you're talking about. He is a free rider, who pays for him since he doesn't have health insurance? Most of the burden falls on taxpayers, with the government providing tens of billions of dollars annually to help hospitals care for the uninsured. Privately insured Americans also pay a price as insurers raise premiums to reflect higher charges from hospitals. It's bums like him who are causing our premiums to go up. Take some personal responsibility and pay your own goddamn bill.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

Oh OK, so Bush and the entire piece-of-shit GOP is off the hook because the next guy didn't (couldn't) undo the massive damage that they caused. Well argued.

He didn't seem to have any problems signing Executive orders that suited HIS needs. I guess when you spend THREE FUCKING YEARS of your Presidency, worrying about how to force the taxpayers to pay more taxes, so the welfare slugs can get more welfare, you tend to get tunnel vision.

I think you'll find it pretty fuckin impossible to find many posts that I've made in favor of what much of Bush/Cheney, and his ass clowns did. In fact, I think you'd be pretty fuckin lucky to find ANY post I've ever made, agreeing with ANYTHING ANY of our leaders have done, starting with Nixon. If you do, please quote it.

 

[Master Roshi]

so I wonder what's gonna happen in another 20 years when people are still gonna be sicker than ever and still dropping like flies at a record pace due to degenerative diseases SMH

 

[xfire]

They did not need to do anything. Count the votes and move on.

In summation, you have no problem with court decisions you agree with, but those you disagree with are "unconstitutional". Way to argue like a third grader.

 

[ban-one]

What does that mean exactly? That you refuse to get health insurance? That if you have it, you're going to cancel it and fly a Tea Party flag in front of your house? Well, you're just going to be hurting yourself. If you get seriously ill and you have anything in the way of assets, the hospital billing company will just take whatever you have to satisfy the bill. So if that is the case, not to be insulting, but that simply means that you don't have good sense.

I don't think you people should be forced to have health insurance. But at the same time, I would repeal Reagan's Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act, so that hospitals wouldn't be forced by Federal law to treat you when you got sick and used the ER as a primary care doctor. What would my solution look like? It would look like a desolate, empty field across the property line of the hospital, that hospital security would roll you people into and let you die. You don't want to be insured? I'm perfectly OK with that. But hospitals shouldn't be forced to treat you and I shouldn't be forced to subsidize your unpaid bills because I do have insurance. The GOP'er god, Ronnie Reagan, is the cause of this.

I don't have health insurance because I'm in that age group of about 20-30 that's young, healthy, and because of our youth, believe our selves to be invulnerable (I personally know better than that one), and makes up the bulk of the uninsured Americans, along with those who happen to be wealthy enough. I haven't been to a doctor since I was 15, but if I needed to, I'd pay out of pocket like I do the dentist, or if too expensive to pay all at once, you can arrange payment plans, and in the event of a catastrophe, there's a loan from the bank. All the things people used to do before all-covering health insurance. It's my life and my money, and I'll do with it what I want.

I agree with you that hospitals shouldn't be forced to treat people. There are plenty of hospitals that would treat you anyway, or be specifically designed to treat those who can't afford health insurance. Either by charitable contributions, or they use older, but still just as good equipment that costs much less, making their services affordable to those with less, and would keep prices down for everyone.


I WILL NOT COMPLY

 

[ban-one]

The "wisdom of so many" assumptive mind readers, including yourself, right?

I guess you don't watch TV, or read papers, or listen to radio, huh?

I really don't see what your fucking problem is. The court upheld the constitutionality of the health care law, get over it.

And I guess you never will if you can't see the problem for yourself.


I WILL NOT COMPLY