Election 2008

[negator]

third parties are excluded, shunned, scoffed, snickered at, derided, ridiculed, marginalized, fucked in the ass, prohibitively fined, economically over-burdened, rounded-up at 4AM and sent to 'political readjustment camps', told to "come back in two weeks", added to "lists", told not to "waste their vote", made to jump through hoops, forced to surrender, mocked, jeered, parodied, disrespected, poo-pood, made to wait in the hall, disenfranchised, blocked, frustrated, denied, castrated, discarded, buried on page 4, hushed, shushed, libeled, slandered, defamed, maligned, treated unfairly, advised to go elsewhere, and generally treated as seriously misguided and possibly dangerous fringe types who should just sit down and shut up.

apart from that, the system is totally fair and above-board.

http://www.amazon.com/Revolution-Ma...bs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1210455897&sr=8-1

 

[dick van cock]

third parties are excluded, shunned, scoffed, snickered at, derided, ridiculed, marginalized, fucked in the ass, prohibitively fined, economically over-burdened, rounded-up at 4AM and sent to 'political readjustment camps', told to "come back in two weeks", added to "lists", told not to "waste their vote", made to jump through hoops, forced to surrender, mocked, jeered, parodied, disrespected, poo-pood, made to wait in the hall, disenfranchised, blocked, frustrated, denied, castrated, discarded, buried on page 4, hushed, shushed, libeled, slandered, defamed, maligned, treated unfairly, advised to go elsewhere, and generally treated as seriously misguided and possibly dangerous fringe types who should just sit down and shut up.

I guess, that's why Ross Perot harvested 19% of the national vote.

 

[negator]

I guess, that's why Ross Perot harvested 19% of the national vote.

dick van cock, (if that's really you in there), billionaire ross perot ran the gauntlet to gain ballot access, he paid a huge sum of money and subjected himself to all the other stuff i mentioned, just to give the voters a choice. 19% is pretty significant, all things considered.

it showed the status quo was lacking at least that much support.

consequently, ballot access has been much more difficult since.

 

[signofthetimes]

Their greatest trick, and the same goes for any country, is telling the world that they are the only options. It doesn't matter who wins, its all swings and roundabouts, as long as they maintain a duopoly, they care not.

 

[Jason z]

This is somewhat interesting because it's a protest vote at this point, although a very loud one...What it says to me is that the Repub and Indy vote that won't be going to McCain is larger than the Dem vote he might pick up...

I think it would be interesting if Ron Paul decided to run as the Libertarian Candidate and he had Ralph Nader be his Veep Nom. The Extreme Right and the Far Left U*N*I*T*E...that would make a hell of a story and election...:glugglug:

I believe Hillbilly is staying in the election merely in hopes of raising money to pay off her debts. Her first words after the Indiana/North Carolina debacle were "Please go to hillaryclinton.com and make a donation"...

She's under a deadline. She has to cover her losses by a certain date (June1) or she loses those millions permanently.

She's hoping she can trick her supporters into paying off her debts...:dunno::thefinger:thefinger

Yea u are absolutely right.. but it is not going to work bc everybody see's how desperate she is and how it is nearly impossible for her to win.

 

[Friday on my mind]

"After big win, Clinton vows to push forward"
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/13/wv.primary/index.html

"WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sen. Hillary Clinton used her big win in West Virginia on Tuesday to make her case that she has a better chance of beating the Republicans in the general election.

"I am more determined than ever to carry on this campaign," she told supporters in Charleston, West Virginia.

"I am in this race because I believe I am the strongest candidate. ... I can lead this party to victory in the general election if you lead me to victory now."

With half of the results in, Clinton was ahead of Sen. Barack Obama by a margin of more than 2-1."


I guess she and the people of WV don't think this is over yet.Just why did Obama who is still clearly the favorite barring another Rev.Wright episode to be the nominee get beaten so badly ( 2 to 1) in WV?He got under 30% of the votes in WV.And the exit polls show that people who did not vote for him now would in a large % not be willing to vote for him in Nov. eitheir.While WV is a small state, it is a "swing state" and no democrate has won the presidency wiithout winning WV since 1916.Bill Clinton carried WV both times but the pubs got it in 2000 and 2004 when dems lost.He is the weaker general election candidate IMO, and that's why I hope Hillary continues and something happens that gives her the nomination.Obama can be VP and hopefully run and win in 2016.:thumbsup:

 

[titsrock]

I guess she and the people of WV don't think this is over yet.Just why did Obama who is still clearly the favorite barring another Rev.Wright episode to be the nominee get beaten so badly ( 2 to 1) in WV?He got under 30% of the votes in WV.And the exit polls show that people who did not vote for him now would in a large % not be willing to vote for him in Nov. eitheir.While WV is a small state, it is a "swing state" and no democrate has won the presidency wiithout winning WV since 1916.Bill Clinton carried WV both times but the pubs got it in 2000 and 2004 when dems lost.He is the weaker general election candidate IMO, and that's why I hope Hillary continues and something happens that gives her the nomination.Obama can be VP and hopefully run and win in 2016.:thumbsup:

Friday...have you looked at the demographic data about voters in WV? They're white, poor, uneducated and racist. This is one of the least diverse and least educated populations in the nation. Hillary wouldn't come close to winning this state in November because it is a "social conservative" state--one of those god and guns states that is squarely in the Repub camp even though Repub economic policies devastate these states...Some GOP-affiliated organization will run a "Hillary is a feminazi abortion lover" ad and that will be the end of West Virginia's campaign. This redneck state will fly quickly to the Repubs again...

Look at what's happening to the Repub party in "special Congressional elections" in deeply Republican areas of the south and Midwest. The Repubs are losing some of their cushiest and MOST REPUBLICAN congressional seats to Democrats.

The Repubs are going to lose their asses up and down the election, locally and nationally....I think the crazier that the Rush's, InSannety's, O'Reilly's get on their media shows...the more easily it will be for all of us to see how desperate and angry and resigned-to-doom in November that the Repubs really are....

I'm surprised you're still clinging to Hillary. She has no chance to win the nom and all she does now is "speculate" that Obama and the media might be covering up another "Reverend Wright bombshell"....not a cool way to win an election, eh?

 

[Rattrap]

I just find it a little telling that Obama tends to get the more educated votes.

Shouldn't that say something?

 

[Hoodoo]

it is amazingly funny how people say that when obama wins states such as North Carolina or Louisiana that its becuase of race. Well look at Hilary Clinton, she just wont W. VA by a huge margin and look at the demographics there....poor, white, uneducated people...and during the exit polls they specificaly asked if race was a factor for thier votes and out of those 85% voted for hilary clinton. that sounds pretty racist to me don't you think???

 

[Friday on my mind]

Friday...have you looked at the demographic data about voters in WV? They're white, poor, uneducated and racist. This is one of the least diverse and least educated populations in the nation. Hillary wouldn't come close to winning this state in November because it is a "social conservative" state--one of those god and guns states that is squarely in the Repub camp even though Repub economic policies devastate these states...Some GOP-affiliated organization will run a "Hillary is a feminazi abortion lover" ad and that will be the end of West Virginia's campaign. This redneck state will fly quickly to the Repubs again...

Look at what's happening to the Repub party in "special Congressional elections" in deeply Republican areas of the south and Midwest. The Repubs are losing some of their cushiest and MOST REPUBLICAN congressional seats to Democrats.

The Repubs are going to lose their asses up and down the election, locally and nationally....I think the crazier that the Rush's, InSannety's, O'Reilly's get on their media shows...the more easily it will be for all of us to see how desperate and angry and resigned-to-doom in November that the Repubs really are....

I'm surprised you're still clinging to Hillary. She has no chance to win the nom and all she does now is "speculate" that Obama and the media might be covering up another "Reverend Wright bombshell"....not a cool way to win an election, eh?

Somehow her husband was able to carry WV both times.I think she could very well carry WV in Nov.Obama on the other hand looks like he would have no chance and if history is any guide that is not good.Yes the defeats of the pubs in the special races is a good sign.But I would point out that those candidates were forced to distance themseleves from Obama when the pubs ran commercials trying to link them to him and the Rev.
Hillary can count on record number of women voting for her if she is nominee while Obama can count on record number of black votes if he is nominee.Which one is the larger more important constituency?
On Hillary can't win, we will see.If neitheir gets the number of delegates needed for nomination all bets are off.It's not then you just pick the person who has more delegates neccessarily.It is up to the party and the convention to look at who is best able to beat McCain in the key swing states.And the super delegates can not actually vote untill the convention.
But one thing we can agree on is the pubs for sure are going to lose a lot of congressional seats.Even where I live we had a pub named Mike Ferguson who barely squeaked by in 2006 who has decided he won't run again.Christine Whitman's(rememeber her?) daughter is running for the pub nomination but her or any other pub here is gonna go down.
Lets be honest ,yes race was sighted as an issue in exit polls in WV.Do we really think race is not going to be a factor for Obama in lots of places?WV is not that unique I think in that way.

Lastly and this really has nothing to do with Hillary or Obama is the idea that there is good or bad way to win elections.As long as it isn't illegal(and its only illegal if you get caught) I say go for it lol.The stakes are too high and dems have gotten beaten too many times playing nice.This is one of those things IMO that it matters more if you win then how you played.

 

[negator]

Lastly and this really has nothing to do with Hillary or Obama is the idea that there is good or bad way to win elections.As long as it isn't illegal(and its only illegal if you get caught) I say go for it lol.The stakes are too high and dems have gotten beaten too many times playing nice.This is one of those things IMO that it matters more if you win then how you played.

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[titsrock]

Lets be honest ,yes race was sighted as an issue in exit polls in WV.Do we really think race is not going to be a factor for Obama in lots of places?WV is not that unique I think in that way.

Friday, I think that race will play a roll in the 2008 election. But Obama, when elected, and when our country experiences a "rise from the ashes" phoenix type revitalization under Obama...will have a cakewalk 2012 reelection.

The guy is a damn Rock Star. He's no politician I've ever seen before. He has rock star appeal. He has an ability to lift up the spirits of the entire nation.

The question is--will white, working class, racist voters--in Pennsylvania, Ohio, WV,New Hampshire...vote from their racist view or will they vote out of their economic self-interest? Because if they just be honest with themselves, these people have lost economic power and freedom under Dubya. If they're honest they might vote for change and punch an Obama ticket, if they still want to cling to race, they simply will stay home.

Finally...John Edwards has come out and endorsed Obama. I think this might put Kentucky in the Obama column and force Hillbilly out.

I don't believe for a second that you'd endorse cheating to win an election. Aren't you better than that on a personal level?

 

[Friday on my mind]

Edwards gives long-awaited endorsement to Obama
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080514/ap_on_el_pr/obama_edwards;_ylt=Ai8wE2CNUrROZ7EC1EwvkxFI2ocA

"DEARBORN, Mich. - Democrat John Edwards has given his long-awaited endorsement to Barack Obama. It's a major boost from a former presidential rival as Obama tries to shrug off Hillary Rodham Clinton, who is determined to press ahead.

Edwards was to appear with Obama in Grand Rapids, Mich., as Obama campaigns in a critical general election battleground.

The endorsement comes the day after Clinton defeated Obama by more than 2-to-1 in West Virginia. The loss highlighted Obama's work to win over the "Hillary Democrats" — white, working-class voters who also supported Edwards in large numbers before he exited the race.

Edwards, a former North Carolina senator and the 2004 vice presidential nominee, dropped out of the race in late January."


Damn him!:thefinger
I know this will make titsrock happy.:tongue::crash:


Edit: Just saw your post titsrock and I guess while you may think less of me I do think politics is a hardball game.
I rememeber a story I heard once about when JFK 1st ran for congress in 48.He was running against a guy named Frank Rossi I think it was.So the Kennedys found another guy by the same name and got him on the ballot also so that there was 2 of them and the vote got split lol.That's how you play and win.
And we will see what value endorsements carry and how race plays out if Obama gets the nod.

 

[lovejoy]

I guess, that's why Ross Perot harvested 19% of the national vote.

Hillary Clinton "can" run as a third party candidate and will draw a big punch on both Obama and McBush !

Don't forget 120 years ago, there are more political parties in America than the EU countries "now".

It is just you need a lot of money, billions and billions dollars to run a national campaign and that's why Ross Perot harvested 19% of the national vote not because he "just" run on a third party candidate but used billions of his money to capture almosts 1/5 of the popular votes.

Hillary Clinton does not have the money but has the resources, network, ground troops in all 50 states and strong support among older voters, less educated white working class, and women.

That's why Obama did not challenge her in West Virginia and allowed her a big win for a graceful exit and worked together.

Is Edwards looking for a VP position again?

 

[Moe_Fuzz]

Voting for McCain is the same as voting for Grandpa Simpson.

 

[Friday on my mind]

Hillary Clinton "can" run as a third party candidate and will draw a big punch on both Obama and McBush !

Don't forget 120 years ago, there are more political parties in America than the EU countries "now".

It is just you need a lot of money, billions and billions dollars to run a national campaign and that's why Ross Perot harvested 19% of the national vote not because he "just" run on a third party candidate but used billions of his money to capture almosts 1/5 of the popular votes.

Hillary Clinton does not have the money but has the resources, network, ground troops in all 50 states and strong support among older voters, less educated white working class, and women.

That's why Obama did not challenge her in West Virginia and allowed her a big win for a graceful exit and worked together.

Is Edwards looking for a VP position?

I highly doubt Hillary is considering a 3rd party run and don't think DVC was saying at all she would run that way.And no I don't think Edwards is going to be VP pick,he is rumoured to want to be Attorney General.And the idea that Obama let her win WV I think is not true.He knew it was a waste of time to challenge her there so didn't.Right now rihier one of them will have to look at the other seriously for the VP spot if they want to unite the party.They both have had tremendous amount of support and many of Hillarys voters have said they might eithier go for McCain or sit out the election if Obama is the nominee.He needs her suppoerters in the fall to have a chance, so he at least will have to make nice with Hillary and possibly select her as running mate.
And just as an observation I'm not sure what you are talking about with lots of political parties once in the US.It has been pretty much a 2 party system since the get go,they have had different names (like whigs and such)but always been a choice of one of 2.

 

[lovejoy]

Voting for McCain is the same as voting for Grandpa Simpson.

The truth is McCain suffered in the hand of the North Vietnamese when he was younger for 5 long years and his heavyuse alcoholism in his 30`s put him at risk for senile dementia, Alzhemier`s disease, and severe brain dysfunction. Just like Bush who heavily used alcohol in his 30`s caused this country to spiral down !

He is Great-grandpa Simpson`s father ! :nanner::hatsoff:

 

[lovejoy]

And just as an observation I'm not sure what you are talking about with lots of political parties once in the US.It has been pretty much a 2 party system since the get go,they have had different names (like whigs and such)but always been a choice of one of 2.

I was wrong. There are really only 2 major political parties since 1776. (with different names)

But there are many minor political parties in America no one even heard of, well over 30 to 40 political parties.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_States

 

[titsrock]

I was wrong. There are really only 2 major political parties since 1776. (with different names)

But there are many minor political parties in America no one even heard of, well over 30 to 40 political parties.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_States

Yeah there might be a lot of parties. But none of those little minor ones matter. They don't have the money to matter. Though the names have changed through the years, we've basically been 2 party...I think Teddy Roosevelt's Bull Moose Party has been the "most powerful" of the 3rd Parties..

Friday--what happens on little local elections is hardly the same as what happens in a presidential race. About the only scuttle I can remember with a Kennedy and an election was when your Homey, Frankie Sinatra "delivered" JFK to the White House (wasn't there some Union/Mob "orchestration" going on for JFK, on behalf of ol' Blue Eyes?)

I think John Edwards gave a great speech. It's a shot in the arm for Obama and a major shot into the bow of the Hillabeast Battleship. Hillary is taking on major water now, not even after the dust has settled from the W.V. wipeout (or should I say "white out"). Look at the National endorsements Obama has now--John Edwards, Bill Richardson, Chris Dodd, John Kerry...who hasn't endorsed him?

I don't think John Edwards will be offered or wants the V.P. nomination. He had his chance last cycle. I think Obama has someone else in mind, to be honest. I think Edwards has opportunities to be Attorney General in Obama's cabinet or maybe he'll return to State Politics and run for a Governorship somewhere...He could win the Governorship in South Carolina/North Carolina/Tennessee... basically a more "Modern" Southern state...

I think Kentucky will become a big win for Obama now. You get those two guys together in that state...Who's Hillabeast gonna summon to give her a boost? The Kraken?

 

[lovejoy]

Hillary Clinton sat on Capital Hill's wall.

Hillary Clinton had a great fall.

All the king's horses and all the king's boys.

Couldn't put Hillary together again !