Is Obama really (born) American or Not?

[z9102]

Actually, this thread is starting to turn me the other way. Now I'm not so sure...

Of course you're aren't sure.

But obviously he's a US Citizen. And this subject isn't up for debate.

Does it matter? He completely failed to turn america around. Just another load of bullshit, allways the same interests calling the shots.

Ironic considering you're not a US Citizen.

And the fact that the US economy is growing is demonstrable proof that he turned the US around.

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

Of course you're aren't sure.

But obviously he's a US Citizen. And this subject isn't up for debate.




Ironic considering you're not a US Citizen.

And the fact that the US economy is growing is demonstrable proof that he turned the US around.

Crap. Another one who drank the kool-aid.

 

[z9102]

Crap. Another one who drank the kool-aid.

It's not a matter of kool aid when it comes to the truth.

 

[vodkazvictim]

Ironic considering you're not a US Citizen.

And the fact that the US economy is growing is demonstrable proof that he turned the US around.

The economy may be improving, but not by enough and I'm 100% sure he could be doing better.
He's continued his predecessors war-centrism and that's NOT good.
There's no fiscal or military excuse for not just cancelling F35 for example. Let the company take the hit, not the country.

 

[Red Spyder]

The Birther movement is mostly a collection of websites. The actual birthers are few and far between and they are not even welcome at Tea Party gatherings.

Exactly. These Rep's who question his place of birth are doing it to sort of find a way to delegitimize his presidency, sort of the way the Dem's kept questioning the Florida election results back in 2000 to delegitimize Bush's presidency.

In other words my dear Dem's, the way you see us, is the way we see you.

 

[Hot Mega]

Interesting photo of someone who's left handed. :tinhat:

The photo is correct for someone left handed. I don't smoke cigarettes but I smoke cigars and being right-handed, I hold the cigar in my left hand and light it with my right. Sounds backwards but it's true as in most cases right handed men unzip with their right and hold with their left too.

Obama is holding with his right and lighting with his left. That should be correct.

The Birther movement is mostly a collection of websites. The actual birthers are few and far between and they are not even welcome at Tea Party gatherings.

Really? You're forgetting the individuals who actually tried to bring a cause of action in court about it. More disturbing is the fact that one of these ape-shit l:clown::clown:ns was a Lt. Col. in the Army. (I know BDG, he is a Demo plant). We're discussing this again because friends of Trini Girl brought it up...not a website. The only reason why this is not more rampant and pervasive is because most GOPers fairly accept that it isn't going anywhere irrespective of the facts as they see it.

If there was the slightest hint this could actually go somewhere you'd see acres of these l:clown::clown:ns standing around someplace with signs and banners.

Mostly it's Democrats who bring this up to score points by trying to say it's mainstream belief among Republicans. It's just a false-flag operation.

Are you the most delusional person on this board or what?? When do Demos bring this up other than in reaction to GOPers who have brought it up?? I know, the facts don't really matter BDG...It's always the false flag excuse for you...FOR EVERYTHING.:1orglaugh

I don't know why he didn't just provide what his critics have been calling for since the primaries and shut them up.

He did. Move on.

Then again, he didn't have the good grace to drop out after the Jeremaiah Wright thing, the William Ayers thing or the fact that he's married to Dr. Zira from "Planet of the Apes."

He shouldn't have. Move on.

Twenty-some odd years ago Gary Hart had the decency to drop out after the Monkey Business scandal broke and that seems to pale in comparison to all the crap this guy had socked away in his closet.

Just so we're keeping count...the shit that Clinton and Bush actually DID pales in comparison. What was Obama accused of or what did he actually do that should have caused him to drop out?? We'll wait.

Crap. Another one who drank the kool-aid.

It's not a matter of kool aid when it comes to the truth.

Of the two of you, from what I can see z9102 is not the one full of Kool-Aid IMO.

Exactly. These Rep's who question his place of birth are doing it to sort of find a way to delegitimize his presidency, sort of the way the Dem's kept questioning the Florida election results back in 2000 to delegitimize Bush's presidency.

In other words my dear Dem's, the way you see us, is the way we see you.

All except for the fact that these are two distinctly different circumstances. Gore was called the winner of a state ran by Bush's brother...then all of the sudden he wasn't. They started to recount as per election rules..when it appeared Gore was closing the gap..the recount was stopped by the USSC lead by unprecedented actions of Scalia (his father's appointee).

In this case, there was a baseless claim made to which Obama AND OTHERS have provided reasonable and substantial evidence refuting. Case closed.

Now how far does one go entertaining an absurd accusation? The hope of these idiots perpetuating this is no different from the playbook employed against Clinton...try to drag him into the realm of the courts, legal semantics and the like to derail his presidency that way.

 

[Supafly]

Let's start to spin stories about McCain

John McCain was born on August 29, 1936 at Coco Solo (Panama)

I do not believe it was at an US-American Station. He looks way too foreign!

I understand his original name was Ramiro Chimenez :tinhat:

 

[Limo Man]

The earlier post by Booty Snatcher seems to be being ignored by doubters?

I don't post here often, like the "other stuff" (girls)better.
But I have to weigh in on this one. I was myself born in Germany when my dad lived there. My mom is German. Dad a US citizen. When I was born he just filled out paperwork. I became and am a U.S. citizen. By the way my dad was born in England and served in the US armed forces, you don't have to be born here to serve. Guess people hate Obama so the hang on to this stuff.

 

[xfire]

disapproval of this potus, it's his socialist ideology that has 'em poed.

"Socialist" is a charge against Obama that is wholly without merit and it's meant as a character assassination made by people that support a party that favors policies that hurt the interest of the average American. You want to look at a socialist look at Reagan, a man that redistributed the wealth of the poor and middle class to the affluent.

In 1981, Reagan signed a law that sharply reduced the income tax for the wealthiest Americans and corporations. The president asserted his program would create jobs, purge inflation and, get this, trim the budget deficit. However, following the Reagan tax cut, the deficit soared from 2.5 percent of GDP to over 6 percent, alarming financial markets, sending interest rates sky high, and culminating in the worst recession since the 1930's.

Soon the president realized he needed new revenues to trim the deficit, bring down interest rates and improve his chances for reelection. He would not rescind the income tax cut, but other taxes were acceptable. In 1982, taxes were raised on gasoline and cigarettes, but the deficit hardly budged. In 1983, the president signed the biggest tax rise on payrolls, promising to create a surplus in the Social Security system, while knowing all along that the new revenue would be used to finance the deficit.

The retirement system was looted from the first day the Social Security surplus came into being, because the legislation itself gave the president a free hand to spend the surplus in any way he liked. Thus began a massive transfer of wealth from the poor and the middle class, especially the self-employed small businessman, to the wealthy. The self-employment tax jumped as much as 66 percent.

In 1986, Reagan slashed the top tax rate further. His redistributionist obsession led to a perversity in the law. The wealthiest faced a 28 percent tax rate, while those with lower incomes faced a 33 percent rate; in addition, the bottom rate climbed from 11 percent to 15 percent. For the first time in history, the top rate fell and the bottom rate rose simultaneously. Even unemployment compensation was not spared. The jobless had to pay income tax on their benefits. A year later, the man who would not spare unemployment compensation from taxation called for a cut in the capital gains tax. Thus, Reagan was a staunch socialist, totally committed to his cause of wealth redistribution towards the affluent.

How much wealth transfer has occurred through Reagan's policies? At least $3 trillion.

http://www.truth-out.org/032009R

 

[sayvara]

"Socialist" is a charge against Obama that is wholly without merit and it's meant as a character assassination made by people that support a party that favors policies that hurt the interest of the average American. You want to look at a socialist look at Reagan, a man that redistributed the wealth of the poor and middle class to the affluent.

Socialist is the new Communist... red scare for the 2000's. the only thing more stupid than those using the argument is those falling for it.

/S

 

[vodkazvictim]

Socialist is the new Communist... red scare for the 2000's. the only thing more stupid than those using the argument is those falling for it.

/S

And the only thing more stupid than either of those is you.
/VV
:thefinger :thefinger :thefinger :thefinger :thefinger :thefinger :thefinger :thefinger :thefinger

 

[E-Ann-Hilden]

Republicans need to move on, FACT: he is the current president of the United States! Doesn't matter what you think or me! Sorry, don't we have bigger fish to fry these days?

 

[Hot Mega]

Doesn't matter what you think or me! Sorry, don't we have bigger fish to fry these days?

^^This is what most people want. Republicans continue to find ways to insert birther nonsense and Palin nonsense into the national discussion... then accuse Demos of bringing those to issues up.

 

[knowone]

The photo is correct for someone left handed. I don't smoke cigarettes but I smoke cigars and being right-handed, I hold the cigar in my left hand and light it with my right. Sounds backwards but it's true as in most cases right handed men unzip with their right and hold with their left too.

Obama is holding with his right and lighting with his left. That should be correct.

Where is his watch?

 

[Hot Mega]

Where is his watch?

I wouldn't go by that necessarily...I've seen many people wear their watches on either wrist irrespective of which hand they favor. Good observations though.

 

[pete rose]

He's a MEXICAN ahhhhhh

 

[DietCrush]

my opinion is those that care are retarded....that's just me. I think you need to seriously step back an consider you're life before speaking. intelligence is a gift not a right

 

[Moonchild22]

I can't believe people are still trying to give a shit about where he was born.
I imagine many of the posters in this thread to be the type who pronounce his name with the Nascar redneck voice. Like so:

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

The photo is correct for someone left handed. I don't smoke cigarettes but I smoke cigars and being right-handed, I hold the cigar in my left hand and light it with my right. Sounds backwards but it's true as in most cases right handed men unzip with their right and hold with their left too.

Obama is holding with his right and lighting with his left. That should be correct.


Really? You're forgetting the individuals who actually tried to bring a cause of action in court about it. More disturbing is the fact that one of these ape-shit l:clown::clown:ns was a Lt. Col. in the Army. (I know BDG, he is a Demo plant). We're discussing this again because friends of Trini Girl brought it up...not a website. The only reason why this is not more rampant and pervasive is because most GOPers fairly accept that it isn't going anywhere irrespective of the facts as they see it.

If there was the slightest hint this could actually go somewhere you'd see acres of these l:clown::clown:ns standing around someplace with signs and banners.


Are you the most delusional person on this board or what?? When do Demos bring this up other than in reaction to GOPers who have brought it up?? I know, the facts don't really matter BDG...It's always the false flag excuse for you...FOR EVERYTHING.:1orglaugh


He did. Move on.

He shouldn't have. Move on.


Just so we're keeping count...the shit that Clinton and Bush actually DID pales in comparison. What was Obama accused of or what did he actually do that should have caused him to drop out?? We'll wait.





Of the two of you, from what I can see z9102 is not the one full of Kool-Aid IMO.



All except for the fact that these are two distinctly different circumstances. Gore was called the winner of a state ran by Bush's brother...then all of the sudden he wasn't. They started to recount as per election rules..when it appeared Gore was closing the gap..the recount was stopped by the USSC lead by unprecedented actions of Scalia (his father's appointee).

In this case, there was a baseless claim made to which Obama AND OTHERS have provided reasonable and substantial evidence refuting. Case closed.

Now how far does one go entertaining an absurd accusation? The hope of these idiots perpetuating this is no different from the playbook employed against Clinton...try to drag him into the realm of the courts, legal semantics and the like to derail his presidency that way.

You need to stick to one comment at a time because your interpretation of posts are so different from the originator it's ridiculous.

You think that Birther Lt. Col. somehow negates or disproves what I was saying about the relative lack of Birthers?

At least from your other questions I can now tell that it's not just me you do this with. I wish you wouldn't even reply to my posts anymore. These exchanges have long gone past the point where they're constructive or amusing.

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

I can't believe people are still trying to give a shit about where he was born.
I imagine many of the posters in this thread to be the type who pronounce his name with the Nascar redneck voice. Like so:

Nice way to disclose your own prejudice.