Is Obama really (born) American or Not?

[BioDefenseGrad]

Problem is you let very stupid people become President, Bush was clearly stupid and showed clearly he didn't have a clue about foreign affairs even before he got voted in, sadly I think Americans vote on charisma, style over substance. We might have had unpopular prime ministers here in the UK but they are normally highly educated even if not the most likeable. In the US the candidates that seem the most popular are the ones that thank God the most, European politicians very rarely attribute anything to religion, the public would never accept it. Didn't Bush imply that God told him to invade Afghanistan/Iraq or did I just imagine it as I hate Bush so much :dunno:

It wasn't charisma. Americans were thinking about domestic reforms. If you remember Bush's campaign it was on domestic issues. Remember "compassionate conservative?" That was about education reform, help for small business, tax reform, he threw in money for faith based programs (that was all religions mind you) stuff having to do with law enforcement all sorts of domestic issues.

He was even campaigning on reforming the post cold-war military. Donald Rumsfeld was hired to find a way to slim down the military budget and take on the M.I.C. interests that wanted us to keep a cold-war era tanks/bombers military. Rumsfeld was supposed to take us into the light/fast network military era. You can see traces of that philosophy in the Iraq war planning. It was also one of the reasons why Rumsfeld and Bush ignored "Big Army" tank generals like Eric Shinseki when he said we were going in too lean.


It was the defense equivalent of the Pope telling Martin Luther he was about to make a huge mistake.


It sounds hard to believe but that's the real deal. 9/11 totally fucked Bushs agenda the same way the financial crisis fucked Obama's presidency and the Oil Crisis fucked Jimmy Carter's presidency (along with the Iran contra affair but at the macro level it was the Oil Crisis) in the ass.


Presidents only have so much power and their agendas can get wrecked by things that are beyond their control like an extraordinary financial collapse or an attack that necessitates a military response.

 

[lurkingdirk]

I'm sorry, but you simply can not be serious, can you? He is not even a Socialist by ANY definition, but you think you can elevate that to Communist?

Please explain exactly how he is a Communist.

No answer, then?

 

[WTC7WasPulled]

Your friend's parents are morons... plain and simple.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg

(Pardons if the inclusion of this image breaks the rules but it is rather important to the discussion)

/S

That is not a birth certificate. That's a nothing document. You need the one with the babies footprints etc.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/7686572/hawaii_gov_neil_abercrombie_makes_obama.html

Hawaii Governor after vowing to show Obama's birth certificate now refuses to release it if they even have it.

Obama is a total puppet and the birth issue is their control of him. They will only play that card against him if he pulls a JFK and goes against them.

 

[shayd]

Let me get this straight, there are people who honestly believe a man became President of the United States of America without having a real birth certificate showing him to be an American?

No wonder the country's fucked.

 

[xfire]

That document is all the state of Hawaii is legally allowed to release. I don't blame Obama for not acquiescing to a bunch of fringe lunatics that wouldn't be satisfied with any proof he offered. It's not about facts with these fucking people, as has already been pointed out.

 

[vodkazvictim]

Go back to Bush ameriduh, things went great under him :thumbsup:

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

That is not a birth certificate. That's a nothing document. You need the one with the babies footprints etc.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/7686572/hawaii_gov_neil_abercrombie_makes_obama.html

Hawaii Governor after vowing to show Obama's birth certificate now refuses to release it if they even have it.

Obama is a total puppet and the birth issue is their control of him. They will only play that card against him if he pulls a JFK and goes against them.

You're really reaching here. There was an annoucement in the local Hawaii newspaper when he was born if you want to reach back that far.

But honestly, the FBI, Secret Service and CIA would have been doing a ton of research on him as soon as he became a serious candidate for President.

All those think tanks, lobbyist groups and muckrakers would have been on him too. No one has come up with anything odd about his birth or citizenship.

 

[Facetious]

Nester6

Explosion So? Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Jordan, Bahrain etc. How many dead? Who did Obama send to fight there? He can control other countries people?

Absolutely obama and the master of cause and effect himself, Mr George Soros can affect conditions abroad... you didn't know that? How did you think the latter made his billions?
:dunno:

 

[Jon S.]

In response of the original question posed in this thread: YES! If he wasn't, don't you think someone would have gotten him off the ballot, or at least challenged his eligibility (even someone from Hillary's campaign maybe) BEFORE the election!?!? You know what they say about sour grapes! Just sayin'!!!

 

[xfire]

That's some Glenn Beck bullshit right there, f.

 

[Hot Mega]

Absolutely obama and the master of cause and effect himself, Mr George Soros can affect conditions abroad... you didn't know that? How did you think the latter made his billions?
:dunno:

:1orglaugh How do you almost always have your facts polar opposite wrong?

If anything Soros (p. Shoroosh) spent millions effecting change in former Soviet bloc countries.

 

[Facetious]

:1orglaugh How do you almost always have your facts polar opposite wrong?

I'm all eyes and ears... unless you have a reliable source to prove me wrong, we're just opining . . . r-i-g-h-t?

If anything Soros (p. Shoroosh) spent millions effecting change in former Soviet bloc countries.

Oh, he has/had a lot more than that in his cart, the naked market shorter he is.

 

[Hot Mega]

Absolutely obama and the master of cause and effect himself, Mr George Soros can affect conditions abroad... you didn't know that? How did you think the latter made his billions?

I'm all eyes and ears... unless you have a reliable source to prove me wrong, we're just opining . . . r-i-g-h-t?
Oh, he has/had a lot more than that in his cart, the naked market shorter he is.

Opining? You suggested he made his billions by affecting conditions. Everything anyone has ever cited of Soros (on the record) claims he attained his wealth by predicting what will happen in various markets. Something anyone can legally do.

What do you have that can be reasonably interpreted otherwise? Or anything showing your contention he's made his billions manipulating foreign circumstances?

 

[xfire]

I'm all eyes and ears... unless you have a reliable source to prove me wrong, we're just opining . . . r-i-g-h-t?
Oh, he has/had a lot more than that in his cart, the naked market shorter he is.

I just want to clarify, Facetious- do you believe that Barack Obama wasn't born in the U.S.?

 

[Fatfishblu]

Let me try this again. Obama is either a citizen of Britain or a citizen of the USA. Here's what I found out: Obama's mother may have been an American citizen, but his father was definitely Kenyan. In 1961, Kenya was a colony under the British Crown. Therefore, that made his father a citizen of Britain. If Obama was born anywhere else in the world other than America, or an American territory, then he too would be a citizen of Britain. There are many pictures of an Obama birth certificate issued by the state of Hawaii. Chinese Nationalist Sun Yat-sen had the same document issued, so I wouldn't believe what you see. There are many recent reports that the Governor of Hawaii cannot find Obama's official birth certificate.

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=252833

Also, state workers have signed affidavits stating they looked to no avail for Obama's birth certificate.

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=254401

Also, the Supreme Court has scheduled a conference about Obama's eligibility.

http://patriotupdate.com/3262/supreme-court-schedules-conference-on-obamas-eligibility

Take a look at these pictures. Much more convincing than that so-called birth certificate from Hawaii.

http://www.rense.com/general92/birthcert.htm

These documents even have the footprints on them.

In closing I want ya'll to think of this; if Obama has nothing to hide, then why won't he release his original birth certificate AND academic records. Heck, GW Bush released his and we found out he wasn't the most stellar of students. Even in his book, Bush admits his name and his father influenced his acceptance into Yale. Make fun of Bush all you want, but you cannot question his integrity!

 

[Neutron66]

HE SHOWED HIS FUCKING BIRTH CERTIFICATE ALREADY!!!!

Jesus fucking christ with these people.

 

[Ulysses31]

Make fun of Bush all you want, but you cannot question his integrity!

Integrity is regarded as the honesty and truthfulness of one's actions. Integrity can be regarded as the opposite of hypocrisy...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrity

 

[xfire]

Fatfish, why don't you try looking on Snopes.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/kenyacert.asp

Please, quit being so damn naive and find something legitimate to hate the man for.

 

[Facetious]

I just want to clarify, Facetious- do you believe that Barack Obama wasn't born in the U.S.?

...I'm open minded to the possibility that he was not.
Let me also clarify that I generally look down on all politicians, both right and left wing political orientation. I'm reasonable, I pay my fair share of taxes, I'm charitable, I'm in favor of a woman's right to choose, I'm in favor of providing the elderly and the helplessly needy and/or disabled Americans with the best healthcare that money can buy and I'm in favor of providing general assistance to Americans less fortunate than myself, i.e. individuals who honestly can't find employment etc.
Welfare should go back to being a safety net and not a way of life. If or when opportunities develop, able bodied people need to go back to work.

Does that help?

 

[xfire]

lol Yes, that helps immensely. Anything's possible, even if it's not probable.