2010/2011 NCAA Football Thread

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Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
You just said it..as long as you remain undefeated (or maybe 1 loss). Therein lies the point...The implications of remaining undefeated for every team in the system every week creates the weekend and week-out excitement.:2 cents:

I agree that the importance of each game is amplified but what if you already have 2 losses? Take Oklahoma last year....they had the misfortune of losing their starting QB to injury, lost a couple of games early and that was all she wrote. If there were a playoff system, there would still have been hope. That's the reason that every major sports league has gone to the divisional format (some with wild card teams to boot in some instances). The idea is to keep fans of as many teams as possible hopeful that their team could still be champion. That concept needs to be brought to college football from my perspective.

Oh I don't see that as the point at all. Pro football has 4 more regular season games and beyond the excitement of particular match ups, early season games are nearly irrelevant IMO.

Irrelevent? That's a bit strong. So if a team starts out 0-3, no big deal? I don't think so.

When a pro football team fights to stay unbeaten...(or not as in the case of last season's Colts)..it's merely for the record books.

Exactly. That's because you can lose some games and still have a shot at the title. Going undefeated is not the goal. Winning the championship is.

Well my point was it's needs to be done either one way or the other. Not this quasi playoff (does exist in conferences with stupid championship games)/Poll/Bowl system.:2 cents:

I agree.

College football has a unique excitement for a reason....just be careful for what you all wish for.

Can you imagine the excitement if the winner of the Cotton Bowl got to go on to the next round of the playoffs instead of just getting some meaningless plaque and a healthy paycheck? How excited does anyone get about the Cotton Bowl now? The answer is, unless your team happens to be playing in it, no one does.

I remember (boy am I dating myself here) the great hue and cry that was going on when MLB went to the divisional playoff format in 1969. All the purists were screaming about how the game was being destroyed, winning the league means nothing now, blah blah blah. I think that has worked out pretty well and I would predict the same result for college football.
 
I agree that the importance of each game is amplified but what if you already have 2 losses? Take Oklahoma last year....they had the misfortune of losing their starting QB to injury, lost a couple of games early and that was all she wrote. If there were a playoff system, there would still have been hope.
Which generally only would have mattered to those who have an interest in seeing OU have a shot at the championship. Even as such...OU still had a chance to play for their league title and the support for OU among their fan base didn't die because it's much bigger than 2 losses or a season.
That's the reason that every major sports league has gone to the divisional format (some with wild card teams to boot in some instances). The idea is to keep fans of as many teams as possible hopeful that their team could still be champion. That concept needs to be brought to college football from my perspective.
A playoff system doesn't guarantee wider fan interest during the regular season. Teams in sport's leagues with playoffs are still subject to meaningless regular seasons based on their season's progress. In which cases, fans still lose interest.
Irrelevent? That's a bit strong. So if a team starts out 0-3, no big deal? I don't think so.
Yeah.."irrelevant". They could still win the remaining 13 games of their season and theoretically compete for the title. That doesn't add to the overall excitement..in fact it could be argued that it lessens the overall excitement as again, fewer games have necessary consequences.


Exactly. That's because you can lose some games and still have a shot at the title. Going undefeated is not the goal. Winning the championship is.
Again, I'm not arguing a teams record on it's bearing to win a title. Just differentiating between the overall excitement and interest created by teams competing to stay undefeated versus teams that are not competing for that. Honestly, there was more interest in the Colts and Saints last season beyond their fan base precisely because NFL fans wanted to see if they could stay undefeated or who would eventually beat them.

Can you imagine the excitement if the winner of the Cotton Bowl got to go on to the next round of the playoffs instead of just getting some meaningless plaque and a healthy paycheck? How excited does anyone get about the Cotton Bowl now? The answer is, unless your team happens to be playing in it, no one does.
Probably true. But I would imagine the most significant factor in interests of Bowl games are the match ups and what games are being shown in the same time blocs. Fans of college football are generally so starved for games by the time the bowls roll around that they will get their fix from almost any game. Now the best argument is probably the local commerce might pick up and the games would sell more tickets if the games had wider meaning.
I remember (boy am I dating myself here) the great hue and cry that was going on when MLB went to the divisional playoff format in 1969. All the purists were screaming about how the game was being destroyed, winning the league means nothing now, blah blah blah. I think that has worked out pretty well and I would predict the same result for college football.

People will accept what they can't change and a person can learn to live with a pain in their side. That doesn't mean they like it or the change hasn't had some negative implication.
 

Skyraider22

The One and Only Big Daddy
I agree that the importance of each game is amplified but what if you already have 2 losses? Take Oklahoma last year....they had the misfortune of losing their starting QB to injury, lost a couple of games early and that was all she wrote. If there were a playoff system, there would still have been hope. That's the reason that every major sports league has gone to the divisional format (some with wild card teams to boot in some instances). The idea is to keep fans of as many teams as possible hopeful that their team could still be champion. That concept needs to be brought to college football from my perspective.



Irrelevent? That's a bit strong. So if a team starts out 0-3, no big deal? I don't think so.



Exactly. That's because you can lose some games and still have a shot at the title. Going undefeated is not the goal. Winning the championship is.



I agree.



Can you imagine the excitement if the winner of the Cotton Bowl got to go on to the next round of the playoffs instead of just getting some meaningless plaque and a healthy paycheck? How excited does anyone get about the Cotton Bowl now? The answer is, unless your team happens to be playing in it, no one does.

That waould be pretty sweet to see that.That would be exciting for the fans as well

I remember (boy am I dating myself here) the great hue and cry that was going on when MLB went to the divisional playoff format in 1969. All the purists were screaming about how the game was being destroyed, winning the league means nothing now, blah blah blah. I think that has worked out pretty well and I would predict the same result for college football.

I have to agree with you :thumbsup:
 

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Which generally only would have mattered to those who have an interest in seeing OU have a shot at the championship. Even as such...OU still had a chance to play for their league title and the support for OU among their fan base didn't die because it's much bigger than 2 losses or a season.

A playoff system doesn't guarantee wider fan interest during the regular season. Teams in sport's leagues with playoffs are still subject to meaningless regular seasons based on their season's progress. In which cases, fans still lose interest.

Yeah.."irrelevant". They could still win the remaining 13 games of their season and theoretically compete for the title. That doesn't add to the overall excitement..in fact it could be argued that it lessens the overall excitement as again, fewer games have necessary consequences.



Again, I'm not arguing a teams record on it's bearing to win a title. Just differentiating between the overall excitement and interest created by teams competing to stay undefeated versus teams that are not competing for that. Honestly, there was more interest in the Colts and Saints last season beyond their fan base precisely because NFL fans wanted to see if they could stay undefeated or who would eventually beat them.


Probably true. But I would imagine the most significant factor in interests of Bowl games are the match ups and what games are being shown in the same time blocs. Fans of college football are generally so starved for games by the time the bowls roll around that they will get their fix from almost any game. Now the best argument is probably the local commerce might pick up and the games would sell more tickets if the games had wider meaning.


People will accept what they can't change and a person can learn to live with a pain in their side. That doesn't mean they like it or the change hasn't had some negative implication.

Whatever. :dunno: Your debating technique is very effective, 'Mega. You just continue to take issue with people on everything until you wear them down.

I'm throwing up the white flag. You're right. College football should never go to a playoff. Let's keep the excitement in college football relegated only to those traditional schools who year after year have a legitimate shot of winning it all and let's permanently shut out the Boise States, Cincinnatis and Utahs of the world. Let's keep playing meaningless bowl games into perpetuity. Let's keep letting polls decide who the ultimate champion is instead of deciding it on the field. The early part of the NFL season is irrelevant. Only games played late in the year matter. Wins in December count more than they do in September. I have a pain in my side and I'm getting used to it.
 
Whatever. :dunno: Your debating technique is very effective, 'Mega. You just continue to take issue with people on everything until you wear them down.

I'm throwing up the white flag. You're right. College football should never go to a playoff. Let's keep the excitement in college football relegated only to those traditional schools who year after year have a legitimate shot of winning it all and let's permanently shut out the Boise States, Cincinnatis and Utahs of the world. Let's keep playing meaningless bowl games into perpetuity. Let's keep letting polls decide who the ultimate champion is instead of deciding it on the field. The early part of the NFL season is irrelevant. Only games played late in the year matter. Wins in December count more than they do in September. I have a pain in my side and I'm getting used to it.

Well as always, I'm not trying to win a debate per se or even refute your opinion. Just responding to your beliefs with what I consider are other considerations.

I'm pretty undecided about playoffs even if a majority of what I feel prefers the week to week drama intrinsic only to the college game. I suspect it will eventually happen because people will continue to complain about match ups and outcomes.

The biggest question would be how to get an alumni base to pony up for airfare and tickets to multiple venues over the course of 3 weeks or so...:2 cents: We're not talking college basketball size venues here...but it could be the "if you build it, they will come.." theory at work.:dunno:
 
Hey, I just thought I'd share with everyone the Miss Alabama contestant in this weekend's Miss America pageant...

Always classy that there Alabama....

Easy tiger... Showing a picture of one poor deluded soul is a long way from stereotyping millions of people. :2 cents:
 
Oh I don't see that as the point at all. Pro football has 4 more regular season games and beyond the excitement of particular match ups, early season games are nearly irrelevant IMO.

Ummm...the last time I checked the early season games count just as much in the standings as the ones at the end of the season in professional football. I bet somebody who misses the playoff because they lost a couple of their first games wouldn't find them irrelevant.

I think even more college football has an even bigger problem. A loss in the beginning of the season is much better than a loss near the end because of voter psychology, and it doesn't make sense. A one loss team is much worse off if they get their loss in the last game or two in NCAA top division. Logically from a fairness standpoint it shouldn't matter.
 

Skyraider22

The One and Only Big Daddy
Well as always, I'm not trying to win a debate per se or even refute your opinion. Just responding to your beliefs with what I consider are other considerations.

I'm pretty undecided about playoffs even if a majority of what I feel prefers the week to week drama intrinsic only to the college game. I suspect it will eventually happen because people will continue to complain about match ups and outcomes.

The biggest question would be how to get an alumni base to pony up for airfare and tickets to multiple venues over the course of 3 weeks or so...:2 cents: We're not talking college basketball size venues here...but it could be the "if you build it, they will come.." theory at work.:dunno:

They do it in Division 1-AA I mean pony up for airfare and all of course the fan base is not all that big and the venues are close well some of them not all:dunno:
 
Hey, I just thought I'd share with everyone the Miss Alabama contestant in this weekend's Miss America pageant...

Always classy that there Alabama....

you must not like alabama aka GODS country...like them or not..they gunna be in the way for a longgggg time:hatsoff: ps: i think you guys should let lane kiffin get his feet planted before you start hating. tenn was the only team in football last year that was a 3 point kick from beating the # 1 team in the nation...and he didnt have near the talent bama did. i think hes going to be ok..hes a big talker....but hey..maybe thats a part of his way of coaching...
 
Ummm...the last time I checked the early season games count just as much in the standings as the ones at the end of the season in professional football. I bet somebody who misses the playoff because they lost a couple of their first games wouldn't find them irrelevant.

Wasn't the point. They all count and no one disputes that.

However, NFL teams aren't dashing their hopes for a super bowl after losing the first 2 or 3 games.

We all know all regular seasons games count irrespective of sport's league but the implications of NFL loses only become apparent as the season progresses.

Virtually any loss at the FBS college football level has immediate implications on a team's championship hopes. So the week to week drama generally makes every week in college football more compelling IMO. I think a little of that drama and what makes the sport unique is lost with a playoff system.

The sport has some version of playoffs in it already and it's been to the sport's detriment IMO.

When teams play into Bowl games by virtue of a conference championship game...that is a playoff.

And it's because of that addition we've seen teams who are assured a shot at the title game whether they win or lose their conf. champ game get pounded in some cases in those games. Nebraska's loss to CU and OU's loss to KSU (or KU) come to mind. Those instances don't help the sport IMO.
 

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Just responding to your beliefs with what I consider are other considerations.

Of course I'm no linguistic expert but I'd venture to state that this is a pretty good definition of the word "debate". Doesn't matter....you've got your thoughts and so do I. We disagree. OK by me but there comes a point when it indeed becomes tedious, time-consuming and pointless to discuss it any further. We've reached that juncture in this discussion I believe.

Enjoy the remainder of your evening. :hatsoff:
 
Of course I'm no linguistic expert but I'd venture to state that this is a pretty good definition of the word "debate". Doesn't matter....you've got your thoughts and so do I. We disagree. OK by me but there comes a point when it indeed becomes tedious, time-consuming and pointless to discuss it any further. We've reached that juncture in this discussion I believe.

Enjoy the remainder of your evening. :hatsoff:

I wasn't trying to defeat your points nor was I trying to prove any points. Just other thoughts on a topic in a discussion.
 
im not as big on the nfl as i am ncaa..but i will say this..at the end of the season you dont hear no crying...because its clear cut who the best is..im not so sure the best team wins the title....like the year lsu won the NC and got beat by ark...the last regular season game ..i think they should be a playoff system . or the year auburn went undefeated..won the bowl ..and would have beat anyone in the country ..but got to play for nothing :crash:
 

Skyraider22

The One and Only Big Daddy
The U comes in the following week.

Now that game will really show for both teams how their season will go that is one of the early games I have circled.I also will keep a cloe watch on the Georgia-Colorado game I know the Buffalos are not a good eam but this is Geogria year in the SEC this is a road game and early test for them.
 
Other good Non Conference early games:

Week 1:
Oregon St @ TCU
LSU @ North Carolina
Boise St @ Va Tech

Week 2:
Oregon @ Tennessee
Penn St @ Alabama
 
As always some great games to start the year. After the NBA Playoffs I will be sucking wind waiting for College Football...at least there's the beach to take my mind off of the wait.:o
 
Can't lie. I have a long time friend who predicted in 2 or 3 years Rich Rod would be fired and UM would be on probation.:crying:

This is a dark day.:(

The University of Michigan slapped itself on the wrist Tuesday. Michigan imposed light sanctions on its once pristine football program over allegations it engaged in extra practice sessions and other transgressions.

The school admitted it had broken some NCAA rules and said it should be put on probation for two years, lose 130 hours of practice time that it previously exceeded and voluntarily cut the number of “quality control coaches” (low level assistants/interns) from five to three. One of them had been fired previously for lying to NCAA investigators.

Long-term it’s a virtually meaningless punishment, which isn’t to say it isn’t appropriate. It’s not like Michigan had to give itself the death penalty in a case that quickly delves into the arcane sections of the NCAA rule book concerning CARA limits and allowable 7 v. 7 activities. Michigan needed 79 pages to explain itself; Coach Rich Rodriguez another 89 after that.

The NCAA will determine if the penalties are sufficient in August.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=AqDG1y.rmBPKBoZlgkhBsMccvrYF?slug=dw-michigan052510
 
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