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Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Just be glad you're playing Ohio St and not Boise St(which should have been the team in this slot). You will have more to gain playing Ohio St, but the only downside is now you have to blow them out.
Coming from a sooner fan
OK....finally a Sooner fans weighs in! However, I've got news for you, my Big 12 brother.....I ain't glad about ANYTHING regarding the way this fucked-up thing shook out for my 'horns. And neither would you be if it was the Sooners who got screwed like we did.
That said....good luck to you guys against Florida. Do us proud, OK?
maildude
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Texas is gonna whip the Buckeyes like they committed a crime. I don't hate the Bucs and as you know I'm a Big10 guy, but facts are facts. The Nuts are going to try and run Wells and it won't work. McCoy has already announced that he's coming back for his senior year. Can somebody say emotion? Sure the Bucs can stop the run. But that ain't the Longhorns' strength. The Texas DEs are going to chase Pryor around incessantly. Look for Boeckman to make an appearance--after all, he's a senior.
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
A buddy of mine sent me this in an email.....
BCS DECLARES GERMANY WINNER OF WORLD WAR II....US Ranked 4th
After determining the Big-12 championship game participants the BCS computers were put to work on other major contests and today the BCS declared Germany to be the winner of World War II.
"Germany put together an incredible number of victories beginning with the annexation of Austria and the Sudetenland and continuing on into conference play with defeats of Poland, France, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Belgium and the Netherlands. Their only losses came against the US and Russia; however considering their entire body of work--including an incredibly tough Strength of Schedule--our computers deemed them worthy of the #1 ranking."
Questioned about the #4 ranking of the United States the BCS commissioner stated "The US only had two major victories-- Japan and Germany . The computer models, unlike humans, aren't influenced by head-to-head contests--they consider each contest to be only a single, equally-weighted event."
German Chancellor Adolph Hiter said "Yes, we lost to the US ; but we defeated #2 ranked France in only 6 weeks." Herr Hitler has been criticized for seeking dramatic victories to earn 'style points' to enhance Germany 's rankings. Hitler protested "Our contest with Poland was in doubt until the final day and the conditions in Norway were incredibly challenging and demanded the application of additional forces."
The French ranking has also come under scrutiny. The BCS commented " France had a single loss against Germany and following a preseason #1 ranking they only fell to #2."
Japan was ranked #3 with victories including Manchuria, Borneo and the Philippines .
I'd laugh if it didn't hurt so bad.....
BCS DECLARES GERMANY WINNER OF WORLD WAR II....US Ranked 4th
After determining the Big-12 championship game participants the BCS computers were put to work on other major contests and today the BCS declared Germany to be the winner of World War II.
"Germany put together an incredible number of victories beginning with the annexation of Austria and the Sudetenland and continuing on into conference play with defeats of Poland, France, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Belgium and the Netherlands. Their only losses came against the US and Russia; however considering their entire body of work--including an incredibly tough Strength of Schedule--our computers deemed them worthy of the #1 ranking."
Questioned about the #4 ranking of the United States the BCS commissioner stated "The US only had two major victories-- Japan and Germany . The computer models, unlike humans, aren't influenced by head-to-head contests--they consider each contest to be only a single, equally-weighted event."
German Chancellor Adolph Hiter said "Yes, we lost to the US ; but we defeated #2 ranked France in only 6 weeks." Herr Hitler has been criticized for seeking dramatic victories to earn 'style points' to enhance Germany 's rankings. Hitler protested "Our contest with Poland was in doubt until the final day and the conditions in Norway were incredibly challenging and demanded the application of additional forces."
The French ranking has also come under scrutiny. The BCS commented " France had a single loss against Germany and following a preseason #1 ranking they only fell to #2."
Japan was ranked #3 with victories including Manchuria, Borneo and the Philippines .
I'd laugh if it didn't hurt so bad.....
I have to agree. Any system that puts France at #2 must be really messed up. :tongue::1orglaugh
This is this year, that was last year in your point against the Bucks. One more loss for LSU hardly made them a worse team.
LSU is 7-5 this year are you going to take the BCS Championship away from them, since they did not fare well this year?
Mr. Trendy! How in the world can you say that Ohio State is the most overrated team ever? Care to pick some stats or some solid evidence beside the last two years? I give you last year, but 2006 was a solid season that ended on a bad note. This is purely your opinion with nothing to back it up.
Top 25 every year since 1938, except 3.
5 National Championships
28-4 Record against the Big 12
50-23 record against the Pac 10
43-10 Record against the Big East
14-7 record against the ACC
#5 in all time wins in I-A History 798-303
#3 in all time winning % in 1-A History
#7 in all time ranking (Total points, win %, schedule points, Nat. Champ points)
Do you ever look at polls?, you know the ones that can be flawed, but are put together by a large group of people (I.E. 1-A Coaches) that know a whole lot more about college football than you and me?
Do a little research in the past 25 years and see who Ohio State has beaten and where they were ranked. 1998 #11 Texas A&M, 2002 #1 Miami (FL),
#7 2003 Kansas State, 2005 #9 Notre Dame, 2006 #13 Texas Longhorns. Just to name a few...
Really find a new pick on or bring some solid facts....
You know it's funny u say that because all year I've telling all these Florida fans how good Texas is and how they're going to whip Florida in the National Championship game. Then the BCS happened and now my Sooners are in the National Championship.
I really think my Sooners have a good chance to beat Florida mainly because I think the SEC is overrated(they dont have the quarterbacks we do so thier defenses look better). Oklahomas defense is really talented and we might have one of our best defensive players returning. We just give a lot of points late in games because our defense has times when they relax when we have 30 point leads. Also Florida might be going up against THE GREATEST OFFENSE EVER. Just tell me what good offense has Florida faced?
It seems conferences do have a up and down to them. In the 90's really only Florida and Tennessee were dominate in the polls for the SEC. In the 80's Big 12 was ranked #4 in win percentage. The Big 10 has fallen the past 5 years.
Texas did get robbed, but us college footballs fans are always due for a disappointment every year until there is a playoff. Who do you think would have presented the best matchup besides Florida? Alabama? Utah? Texas Tech?
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
I think that Texas and Florida are the 2 best teams in the nation with OU very, very close. That said, any of the teams you mention are worthy of being involved in a playoff and could possibly beat any of the others on any given day. Take the top 8 teams, 3 rounds,.....voila! You have a legitimate champion. The other fucking travesty of this whole BCS shit is now, after championship Saturday and the national championship matchup has been decided, we have to wait a fucking MONTH before the championship is played!!! How fucked up is that???? I have a great idea.....let's fill in those idle weeks with PLAYOFF games!!!!
the issue with that is the economics and the traveling
where are the games going to be played?
where will the money go?
there are alot of other intricacies which need to be dealt with before a playoff system can be established
plus if you do that....you basically get rid of the Rose Bowl, Orange Bowl, Fiesta Bowl and Sugar Bowl...all of which bring in money due to their name alone
plus if you fill in idle weeks with games...the teams would play more games than NFL teams....and that just doesnt make sense
ChefChiTown
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LSU sucks this year. I'm not going to give them credit for anything at the moment because they are/were disappointing as hell.
- Go to Cleveland, OH or any surrounding suburb (where I grew up)
- Sit in that bar for an hour or two
- Listen to how supportive people are of Ohio State and how much they talk about how awesome they are
- Listen to the TV announcers talk the same exact way
- Fight the urge to kill yourself
- Stay at that bar and watch an Ohio State football game
- Notice that Ohio State isn't as good as everybody says they are
- Deal with the fact that they are undeniably over-rated
You think that the polls are purely based on talent and how good a team actually is? You have a lot to learn. If these college football coaches were so knowledgable on which teams are good and which teams are not, explain to me how they ranked Oklahoma higher than Texas, when TEXAS BEAT OKLAHOMA.
The BCS and the rankings are a joke and everybody knows it.
You think that a team's ranking at the time Ohio State beats them should always add up to making them a credible football team? :dunno:
Ok, hypothetical situation...
Ohio State (#2 at the time) opens their season against Georgia (#1 at the time). Ohio State beats Georgia, 24-17. Should Ohio State be given a bunch of credit for beating the #1 team in the country? Think before you answer, because what if...
Georgia finishes the season 3-9, unranked. Now, did they really beat a #1 quality team or a team who just so happened to have a #1 ranking at the time?
Answer: They beat a team who sucked, but just so happened to have a #1 ranking at the time.
This year, when Ohio State played Wisconsin, Wisconsin was ranked #18 in the country (I believe), but they finished the year 7-5, unranked. Now, did they really beat a good #18 ranked team or a mediocre 7-5 team? That's right...they beat a mediocre 7-5 team.
Ohio State isn't a BAD football team, but they are consistently given the hype of an unstoppable power house, which they are NOT, making them over-rated in my book.
Money is never as important as the integrity of the sport.
Who cares about the bowls except for some outside businessmen that run them? There is no reason that the NCAA can't run it's own playoff system. Then if the bowl people want to host outside games with other teams that don't make the playoffs or teams that fall out of the payoffs early then they can do that also. That way the NCAA can collect all the money instead of having to give some of it to bowl selection committees and other outside entities.
All the other divisions of NCAA football have had a playoff for a long time and all the negative things the few non-playoff people out there say will hurt the students hasn't seemed to bother them too much all this time. Only a small percentage of the teams would play more games, the ones that made the playoffs. And the further into the season it went the less teams that would be affected by more games.
For the integrity of the sport, if I had it my way the money would go to all the colleges and universities equally. It's simple and easy to do. (I would also limit what coaches could make and what schools could spend on recruiting and other non-educational things but that is another matter.)
The games could either be played at virtually any neutral field, or the team that had the best record and/or best ranking could host the other team. I think it took me about 30 seconds to think up of all that. If the people that ran the NCAA conferences cared it wouldn’t take them that long to come up with something truly fair. They just don’t want to.
thats the problem
those business men that run them....have ALOT of money
and in this country.....money talks
not to mention they have alot of power over those bowls
Give me a defense that is at least decent that Oklahoma has faced? Of course their the 1 offense ever when they don't play a good defense. Let's see best offense we have faced? Georgia is a pretty good offense since they do have one of the best runningbacks if not the best runningback in all of college football plus Stafford is a future good NFL QB.
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
How come the division 2, 3 and NAIA schools find a way to make time and to provide for the logistics involved to facilitate a playoff? No offense, but your argument doesn't hold water.
Incorporate the existing bowl structure into an 8-team playoff. How much better would it be to actually have these games mean something??
It could easily work like this (or something similar):
Round 1 (4 games)
Gator Bowl
Citrus Bowl
Cotton Bowl
Fiesta Bowl
Round 2 (2 games)
Sugar Bowl
Orange Bowl
Championship (1 game)
Rose Bowl
You could rotate the major bowls for the championship just like they do now. The rest of the bowl games can continue to be played as they are now for all the also-rans. What would a playoff change about that? Besides....who cares? The games are meaningless except as a means of allowing the alumni to party their asses off. A playoff doesn't alter that in the slightest.
Too many games? Cut back on all the patsies that the major teams pad their schedules with.....play 10 games a year like they used to do. Get rid of conference championships....they are just showcases for national-championship wannabes to strut their stuff anyway. A playoff would eliminate the need for them. Get rid of divisions in all conferences....some conferences (like the Big 10 and Pac 10) don't play championship games anyway. Things aren't equal between the conferences so why even bother? Also, if you get rid of the sacrificial homecoming-week "gimmes" like Arkansas State, Nicholls State, UTEP, etc (no disrespect meant to those programs) from the schedules of the major powers, we wouldn't need to play so many games. The whole fucking system is an inconsistent joke and needs to be overhauled.
This can be easily done. Problem is, the financial powers that be don't want to risk upsetting the apple cart to make this happen. They are stepping over a dollar to pick up a dime in my book. Can you imagine the interest and excitement (translation for them: MONEY) that could be had with the bowl games actually having some enduring importance? It's a gold mine for all concerned.....I can't believe they don't see the opportunity to make a shitload of cash in addition to solving the debate over "Who is #1?" once and for all.
Wake up, everybody!!!
Oh yes, Georgia and the wildly inconsistent Matt Stafford(who is sliding down the draft board because of it). Georgia might have some cred because of the NFL talent, but I cant take them serious when they get shutout in the first half against Alabama 30-0 and then nearly lose to a very bad Auburn team 17-13. They also have a lot of problems in the offensive line.
Its just that the SEC has no quality quarterbacks not named Tim Tebow. The kind of quarterback thats going to lead his team to victory and not rely on thier defense to bail them out. The kind of qb that makes plays to keep the drive alive.
though i agree with the statement that Tebow is the best QB in the SEC....that doesnt mean the other ones arent quality....by any stretch
in my opinion....Matt Stafford, John Parker Wilson, and Jevan Snead are all quality QBs in my opinion
and with regards to the playoff system....it doesnt matter what is proposed...there is always going to be a flaw....whether it be in selection or economics
i cant see an obvious one in the one you posted....but then again....im not an expert
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My list of teams that OSU beat were final rankings, not beginning of the season. Your point is taken on the rest.
The of course are not a unstoppable power, of course! You just stated the most overrated team in history, that is where I did not agree. Historically they are a great team. Lately just a good team bordering on very good, if they can get over the last two years failure.
The BSC is flawed and Texas got robbed, but the rest of the cards fell fine in my book. You can say Boise State got a bad deal, but is what happens when you dont play in a bigger conference with stronger competition.
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