The Official 2008/2009 NCAA Football Thread

[titsrock]

The problem with the Bowl/Playoff concept is the travel and expense for teams and fans. A team could burn through most of the Bowl money just in travel expenses. How many fans/alums could afford to travel with a team for 3 roadies in 1 month time if that team happens to win?

The only way I see a playoff working is if the Regular Season is cut down to 8 games, all conference affiliations are eliminated and there's a "SINGLE TABLE" of all 108 teams. The top 8 teams go to the Playoff/Bowl system like Jagger has basically laid out.

Teams 9-25(26) play in bowls matched according to ranking--9 plays 10 in the Gator Bowl, for example, 11 plays 12 in the Outback Bowl, etc....all on Jan 1.

 

[ArabJames]

The problem with the Bowl/Playoff concept is the travel and expense for teams and fans. A team could burn through most of the Bowl money just in travel expenses. How many fans/alums could afford to travel with a team for 3 roadies in 1 month time if that team happens to win?

The only way I see a playoff working is if the Regular Season is cut down to 8 games, all conference affiliations are eliminated and there's a "SINGLE TABLE" of all 108 teams. The top 8 teams go to the Playoff/Bowl system like Jagger has basically laid out.

Teams 9-25(26) play in bowls matched according to ranking--9 plays 10 in the Gator Bowl, for example, 11 plays 12 in the Outback Bowl, etc....all on Jan 1.

thats the economic issue i was talking about....theres no way ALL parties can be satisfied with any system

the BCS really isnt that bad....as it legitimizes the regular season more....obviously there are going to be flaws (the oklahoma/texas argument)....but nothing is perfect

 

[titsrock]

The other way to do it is to move all bowl games between Dec 26-Dec 31 and then pick the 4 best teams from the 4 BCS games and do a 2 week mini-playoff system. Have it done before the Winter Break ends/SPring semester begins.

The problem with this mini-4 team idea is if a team, like Boise State, misses out on the 4 big bowl games and then destroys their opponent, say TCU, in a non-big 4 bowl, they would again be left out....

 

[Jagger69]

The problem with the Bowl/Playoff concept is the travel and expense for teams and fans. A team could burn through most of the Bowl money just in travel expenses. How many fans/alums could afford to travel with a team for 3 roadies in 1 month time if that team happens to win?

OK, t-rock. Then tell me how the Div-1-AA, 2, 3 and NAIA schools have the money for it. Make the playoffs rotate through the bowls and play all the playoff games in one city if need be....a different one each year. Hell, it would be like landing the fucking Olympics for the host city.

My point is....there has got to be a way to get it done. Hell, I don't have all the details worked out but I'm sure that they could be satisfactorily addressed by someone smarter than I am. There is a pall cast on college football as long as the present system remains in effect.

the BCS really isnt that bad....

plllllllllfffffffffftttttttttt..........

Sorry!!! I just blew a mouthful of coffee across the room when I read your comment there, AJ.....

 

[titsrock]

If we do a playoff system...you have to cut down the regular season. James Madison played 11 games this season--8 conference games, 2 nonconference, plus a paycheck game against the Dukies. Div 1 teams would have to go to 10 games max.

James Madison, being ranked #1, gets the playoff games all at home. That's how they save costs. The level of competition is fairly even at the James Madison level, so home field probably isn't much of an advantage. BUT, imagine if USC or LSU got to play all their playoff games at home..that wouldn't be fair, I think.

I think you are right though. SOMETHING will work out. Some sort of hybrid combo of a lighter regular season load, and intertwining the Bowls and a playoff. Part of the attractive feature of College Football IS the Bowls. Nobody wants to see them go away, maybe some of the smaller ones can go away.

 

[ArabJames]

plllllllllfffffffffftttttttttt..........

Sorry!!! I just blew a mouthful of coffee across the room when I read your comment there, AJ.....

never said the BCS was good....i was just saying that...it legitimizes the regular season, and it gets people talking

now...i thinkin in deciding the title game.....maybe it should be less weighted on the computers and more on the voters....and that way....a scenario like this year doesnt happen again

im just saying the BCS isnt TERRIBLE....but it has alot of faults

 

[Jagger69]

If we do a playoff system...you have to cut down the regular season. James Madison played 11 games this season--8 conference games, 2 nonconference, plus a paycheck game against the Dukies. Div 1 teams would have to go to 10 games max.

James Madison, being ranked #1, gets the playoff games all at home. That's how they save costs. The level of competition is fairly even at the James Madison level, so home field probably isn't much of an advantage. BUT, imagine if USC or LSU got to play all their playoff games at home..that wouldn't be fair, I think.

I think you are right though. SOMETHING will work out. Some sort of hybrid combo of a lighter regular season load, and intertwining the Bowls and a playoff. Part of the attractive feature of College Football IS the Bowls. Nobody wants to see them go away, maybe some of the smaller ones can go away.

:thumbsup:

That's the main point. I just can't see how the present system can be allowed to continue. Maybe I sound like I'm just coming off here like a whiny Longhorn fan but the truth is I feel this way EVERY year. There are too many deserving teams that just get tossed in the dumpster with this BCS nonsense.

 

[titsrock]

I don't see how the conference arrangement can stay intact in a playoff system. How do you decide which are the 8 conferences? WHo gets left out? We might have to go to a single ranking system and rank all the teams and then settle things purely based on rankings. We can also eliminate the stupid litany of exceptions to qualify the irish which exist today...and which are AGAINST the spirit of competition.

Texas Tech is getting harmed in the present system because their 1 loss was huge and they played a wobbly game at home against Baylor. But they are out of the BCS because of the 2-team max rule--which AGAIN limits competition....

Texas Tech should be in the BCS, ahead of my scrappy Broncos AND ahead of the Luckeyes FOR SURE....

 

[rwill25]

The only way there is going to be anything close to a playoff is a plus one(which is basically a 4 team playoff). It will still make the regular season matter and we would still have a 11 game season.

They will never do anything to BCS bowl games because of amount of money it generates.

 

[D-rock]

If it's the cost people are worried about I can't see the highest divisions being that concerned at all with how much money they are loaded down with. When you pay coaches millions of dollars, have insane amounts from fund raisers and boosters let alone TV contracts, and have stadiums and practice facilities that rival or even beet the pros I don't think it become a legitimate argument for any of them having to complain about paying for a plane ride, and some hotel space.

 

[Magnet]

Because he obviously finished 4th in the voting and they only invite the top 3 guys. I do agree that he is very deserving of consideration....he just got caught up in a year with some other very outstanding candidates.

I am not saying he should have won but he should have at the very least been invited. Besides, how can you say he didnt deserve it? He had just as many TD passes, and more yards then any of the other canadites. Not to mention he beat Texas, OSU, to name a few of the ranked teams.

To is no explanation as to why he wasnt invited.

 

[ArabJames]

Because he obviously finished 4th in the voting and they only invite the top 3 guys. I do agree that he is very deserving of consideration....he just got caught up in a year with some other very outstanding candidates.

its also obvious that 2 out of the 3 are going to NOT win the Heisman

whats your point?

 

[Jagger69]

I am not saying he should have won but he should have at the very least been invited. Besides, how can you say he didnt deserve it? He had just as many TD passes, and more yards then any of the other canadites. Not to mention he beat Texas, OSU, to name a few of the ranked teams.

To is no explanation as to why he wasnt invited.

I never said he didn't deserve it, dude, so don't put words in my mouth. What it means is that he didn't finish in the top 3 in the vote so he gets no invite. I like Graham Harrell a lot and think he probably got screwed personally but, as a Texas fan, I'm getting used to that from the NCAA. Welcome to the club. Not my rules....theirs. It's the way the system works (see "BCS").

its also obvious that 2 out of the 3 are going to NOT win the Heisman

whats your point?

Read my post above. They invite the top three vote-getters. Again, not my rules pal. Just relaying them, that's all. THAT'S my point.

 

[ArabJames]

Read my post above. They invite the top three vote-getters. Again, not my rules pal. Just relaying them, that's all. THAT'S my point.

i was just backin up your point

the "whats your point" was adressed to the guy who originally said it

 

[young_guns]

back from being banned for 2 days...wow

 

[Jason z]

Did you get banned young guns?

 

[young_guns]

Did you get banned young guns?

yeah for 2 days...due to that other dude, hope he got banned too, cuz it wouldnt be fair

 

[Jagger69]

i was just backin up your point

the "whats your point" was adressed to the guy who originally said it

OK geez....sorry then....I misunderstood the direction of your comments. Thanks for the backup.

:thumbsup:

 

[maildude]

OK, t-rock. Then tell me how the Div-1-AA, 2, 3 and NAIA schools have the money for it. Make the playoffs rotate through the bowls and play all the playoff games in one city if need be....a different one each year. Hell, it would be like landing the fucking Olympics for the host city.

Likely they would change locals with rounds like during March Madness. The smaller schools in lower divisions don't have the big money sponsors to worry about. Expense of a playoff system is an issue, but the bigger issue is satisfying the deep pockets.
On another topic(s) here are some news stories:
Texas congressman to propose bill for playoff system
Dan Mullen in as Miss State head coach
Another Buckeye in trouble

 

[Magnet]

I never said he didn't deserve it, dude, so don't put words in my mouth. What it means is that he didn't finish in the top 3 in the vote so he gets no invite. I like Graham Harrell a lot and think he probably got screwed personally but, as a Texas fan, I'm getting used to that from the NCAA. Welcome to the club. Not my rules....theirs. It's the way the system works (see "BCS").



Read my post above. They invite the top three vote-getters. Again, not my rules pal. Just relaying them, that's all. THAT'S my point.

Actually, go check your facts because they normally invite 4 to the ceremony. Sometimes they will invite 5 and go as high as 6, while they can obviously go as low as 3, but majority of the time they invite 4 players.

And Texas did not get screwed. What every fucking person on the planet seems to forget is that Texas Tech beat Texas. So if a tie break went to Texas over Oaklohoma, then why dosent Texas Tech win the tie break over Texas?

Explain that one...