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Exactly. Thank you for acknowledging that. At least some members of the forum have some sense when it comes to watching college football.Skyraider22; said:
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And it wouldn't have been that close had TCU not made so many mistakes. Kudos to Boise State for being a well-coached team and for not doing too much to beat themselves, but even "the great" Ian Johnson was quoted after the game as saying that TCU had better athletes than the Broncos had ever seen. And TCU is good but I don't think too many reasonable viewers of college football would argue that TCU's athletes are anywhere NEAR the caliber of teams like that of the best teams from conferences like the SEC or the Big XII. I think that speaks volumes about the caliber of talent that the Broncs most often see playing in the p*ssy WAC. And also to what their REAL chances would be if they were to play in a conference that wasn't full of a bunch wienie football teams.maildude; said:Closer than I expected. But the Frogs pull it out. I think some kudos are in hand for the Broncs who proved they belonged in the bowl. Brown had a good day, but it all boiled down to TCU's D. I wonder if the Golden Gophers will come calling for Patterson again.
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I'm supposed to be going to my folks' for Christmas Eve and if I do I highly doubt I'll be watching the game. But right now I'm getting quite a bit of snow where I live and I already had quite a bit to begin with so if I don't make it to my folks' place today then I'll probably watch the game. I think it could go either way but the Warriors are usually pretty tough to beat on the island and Notre Dame really isn't all that good so I expect a Hawai'i victory tonight, if not an overwhelming one.Skyraider22; said:
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And as I'm sure you're aware (wait a minute. Maybe YOU aren't), "defense wins championships." Or in this case, bowl games. I have to admit that the more I thought about that game before it started the more questions popped into my head about TCU's offense, but as skyraider put it, once TCU's defense figured out what was going on and clamped down on Boise State's offense, that game pretty much belonged to the Horned Frogs. Had TCU been better, offensively, in the "red zone" then I think they would have won that game pretty much going away. In the end they got the victory and that's what really counts.titsrock; said:
Here is my last, final post on Boise State Football 2008. Yes, Defense wins championships and maybe some credit for TCU's rather shitty offensive display should be given to Boise State's "better than advertised" defense. Some defenses don't worry so much about giving up yards "in between the 20s" but they clamp down in the Red Zone and make their opponents kick field goals. That's a pretty good philosophy for a top college team. It is what Oklahoma did this season and it's what USC has done while under Pete Carroll. This year's USC D is so tough they don't even give up shit in between the 20s.
I did not claim that Boise deserved to be in the Title game or that they could beat the current Top 8 teams. I do believe they would beat this year's Utah and this year's Ohio State. After last night, yes, I still cling to that belief. Ohio State has QB problems and they haven't played in like 12 weeks practically. That's just too long a layoff. When I say beat--I mean win the game, not blow out a team. I wonder how many people believe a win is only a win if one team blows out another team.
TCU did not blow out Boise State nor was there ever a threat for them to do so. Boise State had opportunities to score TDs but came away with FGs due to TCU superior defense and some shitty Boise playcalling, imo. So, I don't see why we need to knock either TCU or Boise "out of the Top 12." Who's behind them that should be top 12? This was a good game against 2 evenly matched teams.
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TCU nearly doubled Boise State up on yards in the game including an over 200 yard advantage on the ground ("the great" Ian Johnson, after rumbling for a 20 yard touchdown early in the game, was held to 28 yards on 7 carries) so I'm not sure where you're coming up with this idea that TCU had a "shitty" offensive display, unless you're referring to the scoreboard, solely. Well, you folks take it for what it's worth - you choose to believe that TCU won that game because Boise State "forgot to bring its offense" to San Diego and that TCU's "red zone" offense failed as often as it did last night because Boise State's defense was "better than advertised" - I prefer to think that TCU, after Boise State took its 13 - 0 lead, pretty much dominated the game, something I rather expected from a team that came in a more tested outfit than Boise State's did, and only because of untimely miscues did not win the game by more than they did. Bottom line is that Boise State didn't destroy TCU as your 49 - 13 prediction had suggested they would and what really happened is more in line was what I was thinking would happen all along. Now if Ohio State can find a way to beat the Longhorns in their bowl game, then...
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That's right. USC has a mighty football history but frankly, between about 1981 (Marcus Allen's last season as a Trojan) and 2002, except for the 1988 and 1989 teams (that had Junior Seau on them) USC football was pretty crappy. Or, if your prefer, for most of that time it wasn't anything special, to say the least. Now that Pete Carroll is coaching them, though, that's changed, and BIG TIME. I would argue that Pete Carroll has done a better job with the Trojans than John McKay and John Robinson did because back in those days (at least back in John McKay's day), teams like USC's (and Miss-again's and Oklahoma's and Texas' and...) could pretty much hoard the vast majority of top high school football talent (even if they had no real intention of ever using some of those players, something I've read that Barry Switzer was known for) and keep them from their top rivals in a way that those schools can't really do anymore. So in what's supposed to be a more "even" college football landscape the Trojans are dominant again. BPC (before Pete Carroll) my hatred for the USC Trojans (you should have heard me scream when I was in Husky Stadium watching the Dawgs play those jerks back in the '70 and '80s. Back in those days the Huskies actually beat USC in football more often than not, especially in Husky Stadium, believe it or not. Sometimes quite handily, as was the case in [I believe] 1983 when the Dawgs prevailed 24 - 0, and again in 1990 when they prevailed over the then-three time defending Pac-10 champion Trojans, 31 - 0) was on par for my hatred for the Miss-again Wolverwienies. Ever since Pete Carroll took over there I've had no real beef with the Trojans (in general) and nowadays I have no problems whatsoever pulling for them in whatever bowl games they make it to since they are a Pac-10 representative unlike in the past when just about EVERY time the USC Trojan football team played I was a fan of their opponents.^^^^^
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Try to forgive titsrock, folks. He's still pissed off that lowly TCU (a 30 point underdog) handily defeated his not so mighty USC Trojans in the 1998 Sun Bowl
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Just so you know that my disdain for these "non-BCS" teams isn't restricted to your BSU Broncos, I'm not sure Utah belongs in a BCS bowl this season, either, and unlike as is the case with Boise State's football team, I actually have some respect for the schedule that Utah's team played this season. Utah had a very nice regular season, as did Boise State, but they just barely got by both Oregon State and TCU and from what I read both of those teams really should have beaten the Utes (Oregon State lost its lead very late in the game and TCU missed some field goals that likely, in some people's opinion, anyway, would have put their game against the Utes away) and as long as Alabama goes into the Sugar Bowl motivated to do well (which I've heard at least one person say is a given because they have Nick Saban as their coach) I think they'll handle the Utes pretty easily. I like Utah's football team and I like the job that Kyle Wittingham has done for it, but I really don't see it beating 'bama come January. In fact, I'll be surprised if that game is even particularly close. As for your contention that Boise State's football team would beat Utah's and Ohio State's this season? I went into last night's game thinking that Utah would beat Boise State in a head-to-head this year and last night's game did nothing to change my mind on that count, and I'm certain that Ohio State's team would demolish Boise State's, given the opportunity. That's something that we're gonna just have to disagree on, apparently. Although Boise State's loss to TCU doesn't do much to bolster your arguments in favor of the Broncos beating the Utes and the Buckeyes, I would say.
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42 - 7 Notre Dame in the third quarter. Looks like the Irish decided that they wanted to end that bowl loss skid of theirs while I don't know what's going on with Hawai'i. I mean, they're not all that great, or anything like that, but they usually put up a decent fight when playing on the island, so I don't know what's going on with them tonight. Maybe they're getting their butts kicked because even though they're playing at home they've been designated as the "visiting" team (for some reason. I have no idea why)? Whatever the case, I don't think that they have it within them to come back and win this game so it looks like Notre Dame's bowl skein is finally going to come to an end after 15 years (Wow).
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I can truly say I did not see this coming 49-14
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Notre Dame has taken it to Hawai'i on all sides of the ball
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You said it,It has been a whileI had just turned 12 when Notre Dame won there last bowl game.:glugglug:
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Hats off to Clausen. Over at ESPN--and here--they gave the Irish little chance. Passing efficiency is one thing, but a record night with 401 yards and five TDs is something special. The Clausen-to-Tate attack killed the Warriors defense and the Irish D was pretty damn good too. Congrats to ND.
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The Motor City Bowl: Florida Atlantic vs Central Michigan
The Owls finished 6-6 this season and third in the Sun Belt conference, making them one of the least-deserving bowl teams. Rusty Smith is a talented QB but he didn't help the team by playing the first half of the season with an unreported shoulder injury. Coach Schnellenberger stayed with him, however, and it payed off for the program. Of course their 1-5 start was against a much tougher schedule than their 5-1 turnaround, but FAU has experience at the skill positions. Still, the Owls aren't the team they were last year when they won the Sun Belt and defeated Memphis in the New Orleans Bowl. Why? The Smith gaffe along with turnovers and mistakes. A lot of talent returned this year and the Owls were preseason repeat faves. But this is essentially a home game for coach Jones and the Chippewas, who finished 8-4 and second behind Ball State in the tough MAC West. Jones has NFL coaching experience, Schnellenberger is a legend. C Mich also runs a spread offense with a weak running game--a plus for the Owls. But LeFevour is a scrambler who led the team in rushing. He is an early 2009 Heisman mention. Despite the Chippewa's questionable defense (they were actually outscored despite their record) the home game/LeFevour angle might be enough for a Central Michigan win.
The Owls finished 6-6 this season and third in the Sun Belt conference, making them one of the least-deserving bowl teams. Rusty Smith is a talented QB but he didn't help the team by playing the first half of the season with an unreported shoulder injury. Coach Schnellenberger stayed with him, however, and it payed off for the program. Of course their 1-5 start was against a much tougher schedule than their 5-1 turnaround, but FAU has experience at the skill positions. Still, the Owls aren't the team they were last year when they won the Sun Belt and defeated Memphis in the New Orleans Bowl. Why? The Smith gaffe along with turnovers and mistakes. A lot of talent returned this year and the Owls were preseason repeat faves. But this is essentially a home game for coach Jones and the Chippewas, who finished 8-4 and second behind Ball State in the tough MAC West. Jones has NFL coaching experience, Schnellenberger is a legend. C Mich also runs a spread offense with a weak running game--a plus for the Owls. But LeFevour is a scrambler who led the team in rushing. He is an early 2009 Heisman mention. Despite the Chippewa's questionable defense (they were actually outscored despite their record) the home game/LeFevour angle might be enough for a Central Michigan win.
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Dammit! Just about EVERYBODY was saying that this bowl was a virtual "lock" for Central Michigan at least partly due to the fact that they were practically playing the game at home. So much for that. Had I remembered ahead of time that FAU is coached by Howard Schnellenberger (for those of you who don't know, HE'S the guy who put Miami of Florida football "on the map" back in the early '80s when his Hurricanes upset the previously unbeaten [and seemingly invincible] Tom Osborne-led Nebraska Cornhuskers in the [I think it was] 1983 Orange Bowl, 31 - 30 when Tom Osborne famously elected to go for the two-point conversion with less than a minute left in the game that, if successful, probably would have secured the game, Nebraska's unbeaten season, and Tom Osborne's first national championship. Coach Schnellenberger has also coached at places such as Louisville and Oklahoma [though for only one season there in the '90s, I think]) I might have picked FAU to win this game instead of CMU, but then again, I might not have. Well, my bowl picks are pretty much shot, now, since I've lost a great deal of "confidence points" on a couple of games that I thought were virtual locks (today's and the Southern Miss's win over Troy). Oh, well. At least entering the contests I entered didn't cost me any $$$.
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