Is abortion murder?
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meesterperfect
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what are you talking about superduper?
i didnt change your words, just trying to show the irony of what you posted.
a war whether you agree with it or not has nothing to do with abortion.
its not double standards its two completely different things.
so no i dont see it, so i'm either singleminded or just logical.
whats that last paragraph?
killed passive or active?
is that like the robber killed the victim or the victim was killed by the robber?
did you mean in the usa or by the usa?
your hard to follw man.
so if its in the usa you mean murder?
if its by the usa you mean war?
either way I see no connection to that other than perhaps "well people die so abortions no biggie".
maybe now i understand, the usa is getting people killed, theyre the cause.
ok so?
PirateKing
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Yeah, cuz nobody saw that coming...
It's like saying: "a car is gonna pass my house sometime today".
Brynn VynDetta
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Has there been a woman's opinion on this yet?
You can't answer this question directly with a yes or no answer unless you're an ass-tard.
Murder: Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law.
Obviously, there are different stages of pregnancy. Is an embryo human? This is the stage up to about 10 weeks of pregnancy. Is a fetus human?
Since scientifically this whole topic has a metric shit-ton of gray area, you might want to rephrase the question because I don't think "murder" is the appropriate word.
You can't answer this question directly with a yes or no answer unless you're an ass-tard.
Murder: Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law.
Obviously, there are different stages of pregnancy. Is an embryo human? This is the stage up to about 10 weeks of pregnancy. Is a fetus human?
Since scientifically this whole topic has a metric shit-ton of gray area, you might want to rephrase the question because I don't think "murder" is the appropriate word.
Supafly
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As to war: The USA have attacked Ira and killed a lot of its people, in aan attack that was not built on a base of self-defense. Read about that, and learn the truth. The threat by those fake WOMD never existed and the government knew. Thus, very simply, every human being in Iraq was murdered.
The connection is: You say abortion is murder. but you fail to see all the other murder going on.
Marlo Manson
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On that note sadly, like abortion, half the USA believes the war in IRAQ was justified, the other half (like myself) didn't believe a fuckin word of that
BUSH and his cronies AKA THE GOP/REPUBLICANS were preaching too the UNITED NATIONS and the rest of the world about IRAQ's Weapons of Mass Destruction. While we the(Democrats or anti GOP/REP.) knew/thought it (THE WAR) was COMPLETE BULLSHIT with NO AGENDA other than killing Saddam Hussein. In other words, to be quite honest, I think it was an arrogantly illegal war, which in the meantime shattered the USA economy and set Obama up to take the fall. :2 cents::glugglug:
I never want a child. Ever. You don't have a vagina, it's not your call.
Can someone clue me in to who Charlie Hustle is?
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Good point. :hatsoff:
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Aside .... sorta :
What did they know and when did they know it is the question (?)
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"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." - Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." - Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." - Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mas destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members .. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
Back onto the real topic at hand :
embry to 10 weeks ..fetus to 6 months .. after 6 months you're a selfish individual to
abort your ummm infant... thus infanticide. :dunno:
good discussion ! Please don't close this thread !
What did they know and when did they know it is the question (?)
Highlight content below:
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." - Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." - Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." - Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mas destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members .. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
Back onto the real topic at hand :
embry to 10 weeks ..fetus to 6 months .. after 6 months you're a selfish individual to
abort your ummm infant... thus infanticide. :dunno:
good discussion ! Please don't close this thread !
I'll go on record in this thread as being Pro-Life. I won't argue the whole issue though, because until we can all agree on when life begins, we will all be arguing about different things. The Pro-Life people will be arguing about something they consider to be murder, and the Pro-Choice people will be arguing about an issue they consider to be nothing more than an issue of women's rights.
One side is wrong, but until one side can prove when life begins it's a flawed argument.
One side is wrong, but until one side can prove when life begins it's a flawed argument.
Those who vote yes (including ME!) and actually check out the porn here at FreeOnes (or elsewhere) should consider to what extent their consumption of porn lies behind the abortions that result from pornstars having accidents - what with all that jizz and creampies and such... Even The Pill fails once in a great while!
The girls wouldn't be fucking for money if there was no money to be had doing it in front of a camera!
The girls wouldn't be fucking for money if there was no money to be had doing it in front of a camera!
GibbsGrad2002
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I believe that abortion is not murder I believe in abortion only when a fenale is raped or involve in incest. There is plenty of protection out there for both sexs so there is no reason not to use it.
Good points, but I feel the need to point out a few things regarding your analogies:
1) Someone sentenced to die because of their own actions does not seem relevant in this discussion, whatever your opinions on abortion are... Capital punishment to remove someone from society with cause is not analogous with a "fetus", which did not have the chance to commit any actions at all.
2) Each state has different laws governing the use of deadly force, but almost all of them hold it as a right to employ if you are in grave danger... I have no problem with the right to protect oneself or ones family against violence.
3) While Iraq's nuclear program was not as developed as intelligence estimates thought, Saddam did have vast amounts of chemical and biological agents, which he used during the Iran War and later against the Kurds. Bush's reasons for going to war can be debated, but to think Iraq will not be better off in the long run without a blood-soaked tyrant like Saddam Hussien is short sighted IMHO.
I do agree with your last statement... Violation of laws in a society of laws should not be tolerated, by citizens or by the government itself. :2 cents:
Will E Worm
Conspiracy...
habo9
Banned
Will E you worry me sometimes?
Everyone can have an abortion , so why are you trying to turn around to do with race?:dunno:
That first video is just bullshit propaganda anti-Obama shit
You think a black man wants to eradicate his own people?
