Is abortion murder?

[habo9]

@ habo:

I've learned a long time ago it's pointless to argue with people who view the world in black and white. It's the same as trying to teach math to a rock...an exercise in futility.

Yeah I know , theres no such thing as B & W though , if only everything was so simple

 

[Supafly]

I find it strange that especially the US-Americans in here find it so easy to scream murder over abortion, while you don't seem to be very vocal about the death sentence that your country still practises.

If noone is allowed to end another human beings life by purpose without really being threatened, there are some other examples going on in your country that are jandled very differently than abortions.

1. The practice of death sentence. This is murder for murder. So, it is legalised murder.

2. Gun laws. An example, a new (Old school-) gun law in Florida, that allows to use deadly force if people have the feeling that they are threatened. So if you walk over someone's backyard, maybe not even knowing you are on someone's land, it is okay if the possibly paranoid owner has the impression you look foreign, threatening or whatever, he can just shoot you down. That is insane.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/04/25/AR2005042501553.html

3. The USA and so many of its people feel actually proud of their government and soldiers that went to Iraq and killing thousands of their people, though the Weapons of Mass Destruction never existed - we learned through the past years that Blair+Bush knew those WOMD never existed in the first place, and needed a fictious reason for bringing death to a whole country. Murder. Everyone that was involved in planning it, and everyone who still fights that war while knowing it got started for a lie is partaking in murder, in my opinion.

Finally: If you are not okay with a law, go and change the law. If you take laws in your own hands, you are the criminal. Not the person who goes by the law.

 

[CunningStunts]

How far in to the pregnancy is the brain and heart formed?

Good point. Personally, I think once the "fetus" can survive outside the womb, then it's murder. But I'm for a woman's right to choose what to do before that point...

 

[Red Spyder]

Just a little quote I heard somewhere:
"There are no accidental children, only accidental parents"

 

[ChefChiTown]

@ habo:

I've learned a long time ago it's pointless to argue with people who view the world in black and white. It's the same as trying to teach math to a rock...an exercise in futility.

The Rock says, you can teach a rock math...



See? The Rock can count to 12. If ya SMEEEEEEEEEELLL...what The ROCK...IS...cookin'.

 

[brass]

If you have to kill "it", "it"was alive. MURDER

 

[Johan]

NO.

I'm pro-Choice. Not Pro-Abortion.
My point is that abortion should be legalised. Otherwise, those who really want to abort will find a way to di it outside from the legality, with bad helth and hygien conditions, with no psychologic support.

Abortion is very serious. Wether you're a pro or an Anti Abortion, it exists, it's a fact. So it's useless to debate abut itself. It's time to make sure that it wil be done in properly, that the "mothers" will be take care-off very cloeely, before, during and after the abortion itself.

Otherwise, wether the "destruction" of the foetus is a murder or not, it will have terrible psychologic consequences for the "mother".

If you have to kill "it", "it"was alive. MURDER

So, if you kill a cat, it's a murder ?

a killing is murder only if what you kill has a conscience of his own.

 

[meesterperfect]

I find it strange that especially the US-Americans in here find it so easy to scream murder over abortion, while you don't seem to be very vocal about the death sentence that your country still practises.

If noone is allowed to end another human beings life by purpose without really being threatened, there are some other examples going on in your country that are jandled very differently than abortions.

1. The practice of death sentence. This is murder for murder. So, it is legalised murder.

2. Gun laws. An example, a new (Old school-) gun law in Florida, that allows to use deadly force if people have the feeling that they are threatened. So if you walk over someone's backyard, maybe not even knowing you are on someone's land, it is okay if the possibly paranoid owner has the impression you look foreign, threatening or whatever, he can just shoot you down. That is insane.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/04/25/AR2005042501553.html

3. The USA and so many of its people feel actually proud of their government and soldiers that went to Iraq and killing thousands of their people, though the Weapons of Mass Destruction never existed - we learned through the past years that Blair+Bush knew those WOMD never existed in the first place, and needed a fictious reason for bringing death to a whole country. Murder. Everyone that was involved in planning it, and everyone who still fights that war while knowing it got started for a lie is partaking in murder, in my opinion.

Finally: If you are not okay with a law, go and change the law. If you take laws in your own hands, you are the criminal. Not the person who goes by the law.

nice post.
i especially liked the way that you gave your opinions about 3 things that have completely nothing to do with abortion.


I find it strange that especially the US-Americans in here find it so easy to scream murder over the death penalty iraq and legal gun ownership , while you don't seem to be very vocal about the death sentence that your country still practises to unborn bobies.

we can do this all day.

 

[Will E Worm]

If you have to kill "it", "it"was alive. MURDER

Yes :hatsoff:

NO.

I'm pro-Choice. Not Pro-Abortion.
My point is that abortion should be legalised. Otherwise, those who really want to abort will find a way to di it outside from the legality, with bad helth and hygien conditions, with no psychologic support.

Abortion is very serious. Wether you're a pro or an Anti Abortion, it exists, it's a fact. So it's useless to debate abut itself. It's time to make sure that it wil be done in properly, that the "mothers" will be take care-off very cloeely, before, during and after the abortion itself.

Otherwise, wether the "destruction" of the foetus is a murder or not, it will have terrible psychologic consequences for the "mother".


So, if you kill a cat, it's a murder ?

a killing is murder only if what you kill has a conscience of his own.

Yes.

nice post.
i especially liked the way that you gave your opinions about 3 things that have completely nothing to do with abortion.


I find it strange that especially the US-Americans in here find it so easy to scream murder over the death penalty iraq and legal gun ownership , while you don't seem to be very vocal about the death sentence that your country still practises to unborn bobies.

we can do this all day.

We can.

The death penalty and abortion are two entirely different things.

Something liberals will never figure out.

 

[meesterperfect]

NO.

I'm pro-Choice. Not Pro-Abortion.
My point is that abortion should be legalised. Otherwise, those who really want to abort will find a way to di it outside from the legality, with bad helth and hygien conditions, with no psychologic support.

Abortion is very serious. Wether you're a pro or an Anti Abortion, it exists, it's a fact. So it's useless to debate abut itself. It's time to make sure that it wil be done in properly, that the "mothers" will be take care-off very cloeely, before, during and after the abortion itself.

Otherwise, wether the "destruction" of the foetus is a murder or not, it will have terrible psychologic consequences for the "mother".


So, if you kill a cat, it's a murder ?

a killing is murder only if what you kill has a conscience of his own.

man very very few people are trying to stop abortion, and i think 0 politicians are.
its not ever gonna stop or be stopped.
but i dont see how in anyway its societys or governments responsibilty to ensure what you said.
sure the Gov will make sure the abortion clinics are safe and have standards, are you suggesting that tax money , even more so than already, go to paying for the "taking care of" women who have had abortions, paying for the abortion, and medical, perhaps pscychiatric treatment afterwards?

 

[GregCentauro]

If you have to kill "it", "it"was alive. MURDER

Following your line of thought, an exterminator is a contract killer.

 

[PlasmaTwa2]

Following your line of thought, an exterminator is a contract killer.

Well that's how Dale Gribble saw himself.

 

[Goldmarx]

No.

As one poster pointed out, "murder" is not synonymous with killing. Murder is killing with malice. Consensual abortion would be killing the fetus, a killing borne out of the would-be mother's desire to end the torment of an unwanted pregnancy.

But fetuses are not actual human beings, they are potential human beings.
Human life begins at birth - that is why we celebrate our birthdays every year, not our "conception days". All our recordkeeping concerning health, how we calculate our age, the year we put on tombstones, etc all involve birth day and birth year, not the day or year of conception.

Anyone who believes our lives as human beings begin before birth should calculate their age accordingly. Anything else would be hypocrisy.

 

[pete rose]

No, it's a cluster of cells that will probably peak in high school. Think of the life you could be saving!

Women should be the only people to make this decision.

 

[Ace Bandage]

It's really monotonous being right all the time...

 

[Facetious]

3. The USA and so many of its people feel actually proud of their government and soldiers that went to Iraq and killing thousands of their people, though the Weapons of Mass Destruction never existed - we learned through the past years that Blair+Bush knew those WOMD never existed in the first place, and needed a fictious reason for bringing death to a whole country. Murder. Everyone that was involved in planning it, and everyone who still fights that war while knowing it got started for a lie is partaking in murder, in my opinion.

The truth to the matter is that we will never know the absolute truth about there being or not being wmd in Iraq because we're at the mercy of whatever our favorite news outlet tells us. Did we go to war exclusively on the grounds that there were wmds in Iraq or did not Saddam already for several years violate s-e-v-e-r-a-l provisions set forth in UN resolution 1441.... free of consequence ? What good is a "u.n.- resolution" if there aren't teeth backing those resolutions ?

Now, don't assume that I'm a big war buff here, I'm just asking the question, as this thread migrates / drifts into unknown territory LOL !

 

[meesterperfect]

No, it's a cluster of cells that will probably peak in high school. Think of the life you could be saving!

Women should be the only people to make this decision.

you really just dont think things through charlie hustle.
Only?
i suppose women should have the final say in the matter, but if a woman was carrying your child and you wanted it, you loved it, and she wanted to abort it, would you still feel that way.

The truth to the matter is that we will never know the absolute truth about there being or not being wmd in Iraq because we're at the mercy of whatever our favorite news outlet tells us. Did we go to war exclusively on the grounds that there were wmds in Iraq or did not Saddam already for several years violate s-e-v-e-r-a-l provisions set forth in UN resolution 1441.... free of consequence ? What good is a "u.n.- resolution" if there aren't teeth backing those resolutions ?

Now, don't assume that I'm a big war buff here, I'm just asking the question, as this thread migrates / drifts into unknown territory LOL !

I dont believe bush and cheney for one minute about those weapons, but i do believe bill clin-ton
yep bill never steered me wrong, bill is gold.
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/16/transcripts/clinton.html

 

[E-Ann-Hilden]

As always people interferring with a very personal choice. You opinions or rights should not nor do not impact mine in regard to this issue. Make your own choice, dont make mine!

 

[Supafly]

nice post.
i especially liked the way that you gave your opinions about 3 things that have completely nothing to do with abortion.


I find it strange that especially the US-Americans in here find it so easy to scream murder over the death penalty iraq and legal gun ownership , while you don't seem to be very vocal about the death sentence that your country still practises to unborn bobies.

we can do this all day.

Changing my words won't make a better point.

Each if my points was about about killing humans with either the go-ahead or the direct order of your country's law system. If you fail to see that, you are either too singleminded or now willing to accept that.

And wether killing a fetus is killing a human being or not, you are using double-standards there.

The USA are getting people killed on a major scale, both passive or active. Live with that or change that. Your decision... just don't bullshit us and yourself about it.

 

[meesterperfect]

As always people interferring with a very personal choice. You opinions or rights should not nor do not impact mine in regard to this issue. Make your own choice, dont make mine!

aint no one tryin to make a choice for you here, just talkin