Does our site name ClubSeventeen bother you?

[Aaliyah Love]

Yeah, I don't get it either. The age of consent in Canada is 16 and in the U.S. it actually varies state to state from 16-18. I understand the legal aspect of it, but the moral indignation at the difference between 17 and 18? Like the OP said, the name was conceived when 16 was the age of consent in Holland and it's been around for years ... like the Redskins.

And if people insist on making this a moral issue, full disclosure: I'm muslim. The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) took a child bride and consummated that marriage while she was still a child. And the Holy Prophet (may the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) was the most moral man who ever lived. You're not saying he was a pedophile are you?

..aaaand this is the person sticking up for you in this thread. Nuff said. Not coming back here again. smh and shame on you.

 

[Briana Lee]

This might have been the wrong forum to post this kind of question on if you were looking to justify using this creepy name. Members here are honest and will take you to the cleaners if you start telling them that their point of view is wrong.

This is 2014 not 1970, move with the times and change the name of your site to a far less creepy one. I for one would never get involved with a company using this kind of name in the age of paedophelia.

 

[sean miguel]

I'm actually not muslim but was making a point and imagining the politically correct short circuits.

If Club Seventeen was nothing but 17-year-olds, which it's not, why is that any more wrong or an outrage than being legally allowed to fuck 16 and 17-year-olds in many western countries including the U.S.? I don't get the distinction.

 

[HappyHapyJoyJoy]

...was wondering how many of you guys think the name ClubSeventeen is wrong?

Well, from a purely advertising point of view you've readily admitted it is wrong. Holdover or not, it's factually inaccurate. Morally speaking it's... not necessarily "wrong" as it's just a name. It's certainly off putting though...

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

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[AndiLand]

I'm actually not muslim but was making a point and imagining the politically correct short circuits.

If Club Seventeen was nothing but 17-year-olds, which it's not, why is that any more wrong or an outrage than being legally allowed to fuck 16 and 17-year-olds in many western countries including the U.S.? I don't get the distinction.

The distinction is that it's illegal to depict 17 year olds in a sexual manner in adult content, which is enforced by code 2257. Although with that being said, people are quick to forget that only ten years ago, it was not uncommon in the USA for paysites to feature girls 16 or 17 years of age. Sure, they were technically non-nude, wearing skimpy bikinis and sheer panties, but it's evident that the members of these sites were paying to lust after and jerk off to photos and videos of these girls. That's as recent as... what, 2002? 2003?



On a side note... I have to say, I've always found it strange that seventeen is so "creepy" and yet one day over eighteen is fine and dandy. Obviously I understand the need for a "magic number" to define the law in black and white terms, but when you look at men and women of these ages, there are many 17 year olds both physically and mentally more mature than plenty of 18 year olds... I'm not condoning underage porn by ANY means, just pointing out that the standard is weird to me. Can you guys tell the difference between a 17 year old vs an 18 year old, male or female? I sure as hell can't. And why is it that in the USA, an 18 year old is allegedly mature enough to make the life altering decision of getting into porn, but not deemed mature enough to have an alcoholic beverage?

To weigh in on the poster's question.... your site name actually doesn't disturb me that much; the home page clearly lists the ages of your models next to their photos (most are listed as 18 or 19). Obviously the majority of people on this board disagree, and I suggest taking those opinions into account, whether you agree with them or not. Chances are, you're losing a substantial amount of sales by having a name that deters many people.

 

[alexpnz]

Welp, you asked the question and you got your answer.

Everybody thinks the name of your site is creepy and it sucks.

Dont give me that Holland excuse shit because Holland dont fucking matter.

Fucking Texas is bigger than Holland
and most people couldnt pick it out on a map if they had binoculars.

So, are you gonna change it or not?
Because if your aim was to attract more traffic, I think that backfired.... unless you are reading this in fucking Holland.

fer sure...

 

[sean miguel]

The distinction is that it's illegal to depict 17 year olds in a sexual manner in adult content, which is enforced by code 2257.

I understand that legally. But as Stiffy said, it's ok to fuck that 17-year-old but not take a picture of her nude and then look at it? There's two different lines being drawn there.

I have to say, I've always found it strange that seventeen is so "creepy" and yet one day over eighteen is fine and dandy.

Exactly.

Full disclosure (for real this time): I've had sex with a 16-year-old girl before. She happened to be my girlfriend and I was 18 at the time. Then I was 19 and she was 17. Technically, that would have been illegal in some states even though we were only 14 months apart in age. So yeah, total sexual predator here.


Oh and, clubsweethearts sounds even more creepy IMO.

 

[GodsEmbryo]

I know the name clubseventeen since I was a young lad and you could buy it as a magazine. People didn't make a big deal of the name back then as far as I can remember. But times do change. In an age of paedophilia anything that refers to teens and sex gets a negative connotation to it and makes people freak out. So it's probably better to change that name.

Holland is full of these guys apparently!

Well, technically...

Of all known child abuse domains, 58 percent are housed in the United States (Internet Watch Foundation. Annual Report, 2008)

 

[John10781]

The distinction is that it's illegal to depict 17 year olds in a sexual manner in adult content, which is enforced by code 2257. Although with that being said, people are quick to forget that only ten years ago, it was not uncommon in the USA for paysites to feature girls 16 or 17 years of age. Sure, they were technically non-nude, wearing skimpy bikinis and sheer panties, but it's evident that the members of these sites were paying to lust after and jerk off to photos and videos of these girls. That's as recent as... what, 2002? 2003?



On a side note... I have to say, I've always found it strange that seventeen is so "creepy" and yet one day over eighteen is fine and dandy. Obviously I understand the need for a "magic number" to define the law in black and white terms, but when you look at men and women of these ages, there are many 17 year olds both physically and mentally more mature than plenty of 18 year olds... I'm not condoning underage porn by ANY means, just pointing out that the standard is weird to me. Can you guys tell the difference between a 17 year old vs an 18 year old, male or female? I sure as hell can't. And why is it that in the USA, an 18 year old is allegedly mature enough to make the life altering decision of getting into porn, but not deemed mature enough to have an alcoholic beverage?

To weigh in on the poster's question.... your site name actually doesn't disturb me that much; the home page clearly lists the ages of your models next to their photos (most are listed as 18 or 19). Obviously the majority of people on this board disagree, and I suggest taking those opinions into account, whether you agree with them or not. Chances are, you're losing a substantial amount of sales by having a name that deters many people.

Andi land is wise

 

[RASQ]

Well, technically...

Of all known child abuse domains, 58 percent are housed in the United States (Internet Watch Foundation. Annual Report, 2008)

ah, but if you raised the sexual consent in Holland, child abuse domains would surpass the united states

:hatsoff:

 

[ClubSweethearts]

Yeah club 17 makes it sound like you feature girls who are 17 years old. Whether you do or you don't, that's the message you're sending. That sort of thing is illegal in the United States, and that's going to scare off plenty of potential American customers from your site. Now you don't have to care if Americans want to buy your products, and you don't have to agree that the age of consent for this sort of thing should be 18, but that's not going to change the fact that there are millions of potential customers out there who are going to avoid your product because they think it's illegal.

I do very much agree with the age of consent in case of pornography being 18+

bob deserves some rep for that.

Even if the target market isn't the U.S., where 17 isn't legal, there's still the blatant implication, intentional or not, that 17 year old girls will be featured. I'm a little surprised you would deny that, perhaps it wasn't intentional when it was launched but there's no doubt that it's been brought to the attention of the site owners over the years. Just to put it in perspective, I'm not a fan of crackwhoreconfessions dot com, either. If you don't mind being thought of in the same light as them, by all means continue to use the name.

Really I am so far not denying anything, I just tried to explain a bit in short where the name came from. Even when the web site was launched it never featured underage girls as we always wanted to be sure to follow international rules.



All in all this thread is exactly what I was after. I don't think it back fired much since I know the name can bother people just wanted to know your thoughts. So thank you guys for the input

 

[laidoff2]

Hell yes it bothers me. The obvious marketing is of 17 year old talent. The reason there are generalized legal ages of consent is because generally speaking people of those ages generally aren't capable of making informed decisions. If you want to play around with sexual role play hire a 25 year old and pretend to be young.

And change the name of your site to: "club reformed pedo-freaks who now pay 25 year olds tons of money to pretend to be children cuz we are still fucking gross". com

 

[MissHybrid]

I have just written a long reply and it has vanished!

A short one will be the replacement.

I do not like the name at all. It is so offputting to me, I can't tell you.

I have looked at the site a few times since you joined and I still don't like clicking the url.

I'm not surprised you are asking about it though, I guess you don't like it either.

Hopefully the comments made here will give you a feel for what the majority think, on a porn board.

 

[CrimsonBolt]

yes of course, it's super fucked up. What exactly are you trying to imply? That you have illegal content of underage little girls on your website? Because that's the first thing that came to my mind. So either you're aware that this is the thought it would stir in most people who have never actually been to your website, or you. didnt? Then that implies that you guys are extremely dense.. either way, it's creepy and fucked up.

everything is said.
i don't likes too young ladies anyway, rarely watch under 25.

 

[Johan]

And if people insist on making this a moral issue, full disclosure: I'm muslim. The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) took a child bride and consummated that marriage while she was still a child. And the Holy Prophet (may the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) was the most moral man who ever lived. You're not saying he was a pedophile are you?

That was during the 7th Century (Mohamed died in 632), a time in wich in europe as well, men used to marry teenage girls.

 

[sean miguel]

That was during the 7th Century (Mohamed died in 632), a time in wich in europe as well, men used to marry teenage girls.

Actually that's still being practiced widespread today in the muslim world. And Mohamed didn't marry a teenage girl; she was 6 and he has sex with her when she was 9. But thanks for the history lesson.

 

[Johan]

If some people still do it today, that is awfull and but it's always dangerous ot judge what people used tio do centuries ago with the eyes of a 21th century citizen

 

[Bribi1]

Just call it Club Eighteen
Still means the same thing but at least it's legal
BEcause let's be honest, notbody wants a porn website with "seventeen" in the name (well, yes, some people want but come on)

 

[Johan]

Actually that's still being practiced widespread today in the muslim world. And Mohamed didn't marry a teenage girl; she was 6 and he has sex with her when she was 9. But thanks for the history lesson.

If some people still do it today, that is awfull and but it's always dangerous ot judge what people used tio do centuries ago with the eyes of a 21th century citizen

Slavery was horrible, right ? Still, G. Washington, James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, etc. all had slaves, right ? Does it makes them horrible persons ? No, because in the XVIIIth century, it was OK to have slaves...