Coronavirus

[Luxman]

Dr. Fauci weighs in on 6M US coronavirus cases, deaths and comorbidity l GMA

 

[Neworleansfragile]

Chinese government can't be trusted.

 

[Luxman]

I've gotten used to wearing a mask, I don't even notice it anymore.
Everyone looks better with a mask on, except for Trump he still looks like an asshole.
The only reason Trump doesn't wear a mask is because he feels self conscious and doesn't like how he looks in a mask.
Because of Trump's narcissism, the idiots who blindly follow him and don't wear masks have spread the coronavirus to countless millions of Americans and caused most of the deaths.

Friendly Smiles On Quarantine Masks In Japanese Shop
https://www.barnorama.com/weird-but-friendly-smiles-on-quarantine-masks-in-japanese-shop/

 

[gmase]

https://www.npr.org/sections/health...visor-is-making-public-health-experts-nervous

Trump's new COVID guy is an expert on MRI's.

"His voice is really very welcome combating some of the nonsense that comes out of Fauci," says free-market economist and White House adviser Stephen Moore, referring to Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. "So I think he's a real asset for the president."

 

[Pornfan99]

Highest percentage of .. young adults < 30 now living at home since the Great Depression:

https://www.yahoo.com/money/majorit...iving-with-parents-study-finds-143957490.html

The wedding, children, and home furnishing industries must be getting wrecked..

 

[maildude]

Did you see the cover of The Week magazine? This is the beginning of the next Civil War. It will be two-pronged: the young vs. the old, like in Logan's Run...and the liberals vs. the conservatives, with race being a prominent factor, like in Let That Be Your Last Battlefield from Star Trek TOS. It all started with the virus. It didn't need to be a virus that kills everybody for a lot of people to die. It's when a society values life LESS than personal freedom or economy, that our times on this planet can begin to be counted down.

 

[DrakeM]

For the first time in years I'm going to get a flu shot. I don't want to get the normal flu and go into panic mode thinking its covid. Where I live (Ontario Canada) the flu shot is free and can be done at a drug store so no excuses.

 

[gmase]

A new report calls the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally a 'Superspreading Event'.
https://www.keloland.com/keloland-c...an-12-billion-in-healthcare-costs-nationwide/

Of course, there is disagreement over the report.

• The governor calls it "grossly misleading" and "[It] isn't science; it's fiction."
• State epidemiologist Dr. Joshua Clayton said the paper is “white paper” which is not peer-reviewed. He also noted schools opened in South Dakota closely after the Sturgis Rally ended, which could have also played a role in the recent rise of COVID-19 cases in South Dakota. “At this point, the results do not align with the impacts of the rally among attendees in the state of South Dakota,” said Clayton who added a total of 124 South Dakota residents attended the Sturgis Rally before becoming ill with COVID-19.

 

[gmase]

AstraZeneca halting its coronavirus trial after getting ill. An interesting article describing the process:
https://fortune.com/2020/09/08/astr...ine-trial-halted-scientists-analysis-meaning/

 

[Luxman]

Odds are there won't be an effective vaccine for years, maybe decades.
If there is, and because viruses mutate, a new vaccine will have to be made every year, just like the flu vaccine.

When will a coronavirus vaccine be reaady?
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-vaccines-idUKKCN2571HN

A new report calls the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally a 'Superspreading Event'.
https://www.keloland.com/keloland-c...an-12-billion-in-healthcare-costs-nationwide/

Of course, there is disagreement over the report.

• The governor calls it "grossly misleading" and "[It] isn't science; it's fiction."
• State epidemiologist Dr. Joshua Clayton said the paper is “white paper” which is not peer-reviewed. He also noted schools opened in South Dakota closely after the Sturgis Rally ended, which could have also played a role in the recent rise of COVID-19 cases in South Dakota. “At this point, the results do not align with the impacts of the rally among attendees in the state of South Dakota,” said Clayton who added a total of 124 South Dakota residents attended the Sturgis Rally before becoming ill with COVID-19.

Large in-person gatherings without social distancing and with individuals who have traveled outside the local area are classified as the "highest risk" for COVID-19 spread by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Between August 7 and August 16, 2020, nearly 500,000 motorcycle enthusiasts converged on Sturgis, South Dakota for its annual motorcycle rally. Large crowds, coupled with minimal mask-wearing and social distancing by attendees, raised concerns that this event could serve as a COVID-19 "super-spreader." This study is the first to explore the impact of this event on social distancing and the spread of COVID-19. First, using anonymized cell phone data from SafeGraph, Inc. we document that (i) smartphone pings from non-residents, and (ii) foot traffic at restaurants and bars, retail establishments, entertainment venues, hotels and campgrounds each rose substantially in the census block groups hosting Sturgis rally events. Stay-at-home behavior among local residents, as measured by median hours spent at home, fell. Second, using data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and a synthetic control approach, we show that by September 2, a month following the onset of the Rally, COVID-19 cases increased by approximately 6 to 7 cases per 1,000 population in its home county of Meade. Finally, difference-in-differences (dose response) estimates show that following the Sturgis event, counties that contributed the highest inflows of rally attendees experienced a 7.0 to 12.5 percent increase in COVID-19 cases relative to counties that did not contribute inflows. Descriptive evidence suggests these effects may be muted in states with stricter mitigation policies (i.e., restrictions on bar/restaurant openings, mask-wearing mandates). We conclude that the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally generated public health costs of approximately $12.2 billion.
https://www.iza.org/publications/dp/13670

 

[Luxman]

Trump official preventing Fauci from discussing Covid children risk, says report
Dr Paul Alexander reportedly told Fauci’s spokesperson he should not use TV interview to advocate mask-wearing by children.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/09/fauci-coronavirus-children-dangers-trump-official

The coronavirus is mutating — does it matter?
Different SARS-CoV-2 strains haven’t yet had a major impact on the course of the pandemic, but they might in future.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02544-6

Doctor in Israel reinfected with COVID-19 three months after recovering
https://www.news-medical.net/news/2...h-COVID-19-three-months-after-recovering.aspx

The Coronavirus Is Never Going Away
No matter what happens now, the virus will continue to circulate around the world.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/08/coronavirus-will-never-go-away/614860/

My friend got infected again with covid-19 about 4 months after his first infection.
He got better in about 2 weeks this time, the first time took 6 weeks. He's not sure if it's because the second time he knew what to do or his immune system got rid of the virus faster, or maybe it was a combination of both.
Both times it started with a sore throat then his lungs were burning and chest was tight, but the second time his kidneys hurt a bit.
The first time, because he didn't know what to do, it was a week before he started deep breathing exercises every 30~60 minutes and using a cold/flu medicine with expectorant every 4~6 hours..
It's been about a month since he got better, but like the first time he still has minor lingering pains.
So it's possible that anyone can get reinfected about every 3+ months when the antibodies are decreasing, for years to come, until an effective vaccine is made.

Daily deep breathing exercises may also help prevent an infection taking hold in the lungs.
Breathe in thru the nose, hold for 10 seconds, then out thru mouth. Do this 5 times every hour.
I guess anything that makes you breathe heavily is good.

Chris Cuomo opens up about Covid-19 fight (how to fight the virus)

 

[maildude]

This is the beginning of the next Civil War... with race being a prominent factor.. our times on this planet can begin to be counted down.

And It Begins..... The virus and it's divisive effect. Cops vs. the inner city. The election in America is coming so the political cannonballs are flying...we need a fucking miracle.

 

[gmase]

And It Begins..... The virus and it's divisive effect. Cops vs. the inner city. The election in America is coming so the political cannonballs are flying...we need a fucking miracle.

 

[Supafly]

I think there are a number of basic steps that have to taken starting asap.

Boost the Federal Institues for Handling Pandemics. Stock up their staff numbers, at least double them. Quadruple their funding.

Push labs to be better able to develop vaccines, and not only when the world is on fire.

Build up gigantic stocks of medical requirements and the machines.

Prevent federal states having to push prices by having to keep offering more money than other states. That is money burnt with zero use.

Build up hospital, build up hospital personnel

Make vaccination mandatory.

 

[D-rock]

I think there are a number of basic steps that have to taken starting asap.

Boost the Federal Institues for Handling Pandemics. Stock up their staff numbers, at least double them. Quadruple their funding.

Push labs to be better able to develop vaccines, and not only when the world is on fire.

Build up gigantic stocks of medical requirements and the machines.

Prevent federal states having to push prices by having to keep offering more money than other states. That is money burnt with zero use.

Build up hospital, build up hospital personnel

Make vaccination mandatory.

I would add to that list almost totally socializing medicine, but those seem like good ideas. Unfortunately, they all require people agreeing to inconvenience themselves or sacrifice for the common good of all. They require incentivizing the health and well being of their fellow man over maximizing profits. They require admitting that in the modern world there are some problems so extensive, systemic, and interconnected in a country or even the wrold as a whole that only socialism has any hope of fairly and ethically solving them.

I don't see it happening that easily where I'm at, and if it does it will be a long and drawn out with too many people and corporations kicking and screaming to their dying breath trying to resist it as they try to disguise their own selfishness and callousness as a perverted form of "freedom".

 

[gmase]

I think there are a number of basic steps that have to taken starting asap.

Boost the Federal Institues for Handling Pandemics. Stock up their staff numbers, at least double them. Quadruple their funding.

Push labs to be better able to develop vaccines, and not only when the world is on fire.

Build up gigantic stocks of medical requirements and the machines.

Prevent federal states having to push prices by having to keep offering more money than other states. That is money burnt with zero use.

Build up hospital, build up hospital personnel

Make vaccination mandatory.

I agree with you in theory, but in practice your plan would be difficult to implement and the approach has some limits. Most importantly: We do not know what the next pandemic will look like, but we would be well prepared for the last pandemic.

Will the next pandemic be bacterial, viral, or fungal? Will it be spread through contact, air, bodily fluids, food, etc.? The type of pandemic would determine what supplies are needed. Having an excess of ebola supplies would not have helped us battle coronavirus. It may have a little, but not to the extent needed to have a meaningful impact.

The same constraints apply to the vaccine. It would be difficult to proactively create one. Unfortunately, the world being on fire is necessary.

Labs have the financial incentive to develop vaccines. Imagine the profit going to the lab creating and manufacturing the first coronavirus vaccine. I'm not sure making the first round of vaccines mandatory is a great idea. It will take time to see what the long-term effects of any vaccine. What are the unintended and unforeseen consequences? I would get one in short order, but I would not want to be first in line.

The most valuable contribution to the coronavirus response would have been a coordinated effort by the politicians and the scientists; between the federal, state, and local governments and responsible agencies; and the populaces. The infighting distracted us from the real problem.

PS - China being a little more cooperative and transparent at the start would have been helpful.

 

[Luxman]

How to tell if you have COVID-19 or flu
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-09-covid-flu.html

And It Begins..... The virus and it's divisive effect. Cops vs. the inner city. The election in America is coming so the political cannonballs are flying...we need a fucking miracle.

Any other time before 2016 a pandemic would have united the world, but ahole Trump is using the pandemic to divide Americans for the sole purpose of getting reelected. Trump doesn't care how many people die, he only cares about himself.

PS - China being a little more cooperative and transparent at the start would have been helpful.

China could have prevented the pandemic, but as always greed is the deciding factor.
Trump could have prevented the exponential spread in America, but he is a greedy asshole.
China should be made to pay the global cost of the pandemic, and at the very least apologize for all the misery and deaths.

 

[gmase]

2020: Science v Trump
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/scientific-american-endorses-joe-biden/

"If almost everyone in the U.S. wore masks in public, it could save about 66,000 lives by the beginning of December, according to projections from the University of Washington School of Medicine. Such a strategy would hurt no one. It would close no business. It would cost next to nothing. But Trump and his vice president flouted local mask rules, making it a point not to wear masks themselves in public appearances."

Let that sink in: If almost everyone in the US wore masks in public, it would (i) save lives, (ii) close no business, and (iii) cost next to nothing.

Instead, we get (i) additional deaths, (ii) businesses closing and stumbling while employees (or ex-employees) struggle, and (iii) debt for government spending along with billions spent on healthcare-related expenses. And the true cost is just beginning - just wait until the mortgage and rental defaults begin.

 

[tvstrip]

Any other time before 2016 a pandemic would have united the world, but ahole Trump is using the pandemic to divide Americans for the sole purpose of getting reelected.

This was the dumbest mistake he made during his presidency (and there were LOTS). Dubya was a lost cause upon election, but he was able to use 9-11 to get the entire country behind him and rode his way into 2 terms. twump's base would have stuck with him even if he appealed to the entire country, so he would have had little to lose. And with it being an election year, this could have been the issue that put in back in office.

 

[D-rock]

When somebody is such a dumbfuck and his existence on this Earth is such detriment to good people and rational thinking everywhere that he's loathed even more than before despite what should be a "Rally Around the Flag Effect" helping him you know that person is a piece of trash.

You know what's really bad is that Trump isn't even a good con man. We're not taking about some evil charismatic super genius here. He's not even an average one. In another life where daddy didn't tax fraud him hundreds of millions of dollars he would have been at home being the crappy and blatantly shady used car salesman that everybody would laugh at and ridicule, and rightfully so. In some ways that puts his supporters as a group of people in a category that's even dumber than Trump is and as equally loathsome, because if somehow that shady used car salesman fooled people dumber than he was every once in a blue moon no sane person would suddenly jump up and say, "Look at how smart he is now." No, they would point and laugh at the people that were so amazingly dumb they somehow got fooled by even him.

It's just too bad the world doesn't operate in a fair or rational way. I don't know what the future is going to hold. I don't know what's going to happen after the election. If the world operated in a rational compassionate manner I could be confident he would lose, but it doesn't. I quite frankly lost my faith in humanity a long time ago, way before Trump came around. It's just even much worse now. I always knew things in my our country were really bad under the surface, but I never thought so many people would totally abandon both sound logical scientific thinking and compassion and caring needed to be decent people at the same time in so quick a fashion. All it took for so many to follow somebody like that was to be lead by uncountable blatantly obvious and easily verifiable lies and for that person to hate the same people they did.

Trump might not be the most evil person ever. Not like let say Hitler or Stalin (then again that might only be due to him not thinking he can get way with things to the level they did, not that he wouldn't want to do it), but he might be by far the dumbest person in anything close to modern history that has been in as relatively powerful of a position as he has. One would have to go back to the most foolish and decadent Roman or Chinese emperors to get to a relative level of destructive power they could inflict by their own stupidity and mental defects.

And...this is on us as a country. Not only were we never glorious or had any real American Exceptionalism, but when we were put to the test and had the sheets over our face ripped off this turned out the be the real us in so many ways. We were found wanting. If in the future we and others look back and shame us over this we will have deserved it as a people.