Chemtrails : Aluminum & Other Poisons Falling From The Sky

[bobjustbob]

In this thread I'm, pretty much limiting my dialogue to existing observations, analysis, and scientific data compiled by professionals, environmental groups, and concerned citizens.
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From your first post, "what is your opinion on the subject?"

Title of this thread: Chemtrails : Aluminum & Other Poisons Falling From The Sky.

Another segment from one of your posts, " there are only a few planes in the world that have the equipment to analyze the spray mix and can get to the CT altitudes (30,000+)"

So by this token, you do know about some planes that can do this work. Why aren't they doing this work and bringing us the results? If they are not doing the work then why were they equipped to do this?

 

[eric2136]

You haven't provided any information regarding your chemtrail flight scheme indicating that you are aware of any aircraft of the previously stated specifications that is fitted with the particular equipment necessary to detect and speciate, in particular, biological compounds, polymer filaments, metallic compounds, and nano-particles. A link to the front page of some website(s) is insufficient.

You haven't even proven that you have any idea of how to go about conducting your own lame-brained scheme…If you think it is a good idea, than that's on you, proceed as you see fit, however, I do not in any way support your scheme. It's a bad idea and nonsense.

From your first post, "what is your opinion on the subject?"

Title of this thread: Chemtrails : Aluminum & Other Poisons Falling From The Sky.

Another segment from one of your posts, " there are only a few planes in the world that have the equipment to analyze the spray mix and can get to the CT altitudes (30,000+)"

So by this token, you do know about some planes that can do this work. Why aren't they doing this work and bringing us the results? If they are not doing the work then why were they equipped to do this?

 

[Red XXX]

First flown 1949 to 70,000 ft and still flying with NASA for high-altitude atmospheric research

Buy British :catpopcorn:

 

[eric2136]

Assuming a plane that old, 1949, could be fitted with the particular cutting edge equipment and technology necessary to detect and/or speciate, in particular, biological compounds, polymer filaments, metallic compounds, and nano-particles. I somehow doubt that NASA, The USAF, or any part of the military would rent you, or any other non-military entity, for any reason, a high-altitude research plane. Much less for the reason to go and investigate their own suspected covert military operations.

Nice looking plane though, Red, I think my nephew has a model of something like that !

First flown 1949 to 70,000 ft and still flying with NASA for high-altitude atmospheric research

Buy British :catpopcorn:

 

[connie2755]

I don't really go for this chemtrail to depopulate theory, if they wanted to depopulate their are easier ways, they are just spraying metals into the sky to make it easier to have at least some control over the weather, nothing more to it

 

[eric2136]

I don't really go for this chemtrail to depopulate theory, if they wanted to depopulate their are easier ways, they are just spraying metals into the sky to make it easier to have at least some control over the weather, nothing more to it

The military has al least 4 known aersol-spraying operations ongoing.

The weather manipulation geo-engineering program is just one program, and although there is a stated hoped benefit of global cooling as justification for conducting the program, that doesn't matter. If the military is dropping amounts of certain toxic chemicals on human populations exceeding MCL levels, than that is illegal. Additionally, research has shown that these chemicals, in particular Aluminum, Barium, and their derivatives, represent a huge problem in the short-term and long-term well-being of the environment, and human health.

The 3 other known programs are HAARP, RFMP, and, DARPA. You would need to start at post #144 to commence understanding what these programs are, and what chemicals they disperse. Then, especially in the case of DARPA, you could make an informed determination of what you think the effects of these chemicals would be when vast quantities of them are dumped on human populations, and on all other living things on the planet.

 

[Red XXX]

A plane of any age is just a flying metal tube, you can put in it or use it for anything you want!

And what is a 'Geo-engineering scientists' the earths atmosphere has never been what you would call clean from intra spacial dust down to you breathing, as for chemtrails try living near Heathrow airport I'm sure budget airlines are far more effective than the USAF.

Man has someway to go to counter the chemistry that a volcanic plume pumps into the atmosphere and they have been doing this since time began!

 

[bobjustbob]

You haven't provided any information regarding your chemtrail flight scheme indicating that you are aware of any aircraft of the previously stated specifications that is fitted with the particular equipment necessary to detect and speciate, in particular, biological compounds, polymer filaments, metallic compounds, and nano-particles.

You said there are already planes currently fitted with this equipment.

 

[eric2136]

A plane of any age is just a flying metal tube, you can put in it or use it for anything you want!

And what is a 'Geo-engineering scientists' the earths atmosphere has never been what you would call clean from intra spacial dust down to you breathing, as for chemtrails try living near Heathrow airport I'm sure budget airlines are far more effective than the USAF.

Man has someway to go to counter the chemistry that a volcanic plume pumps into the atmosphere and they have been doing this since time began!

Geoengineering is the application of geosciences, where mechanics, mathematics, physics, chemistry, and geology are used to manipulate the environment of the earth for a specific purpose.
As it relates to this thread, geo-engineering scientists are involved with a weather manipulation aerosol spraying program using planes which create chemical contrails or "chemtrails".

The aerosol spraying program utilizes commercial airlines as well as military planes, so your Heathrow budget airlines air pollution, and chemtrail pollution, could very well be one in the same.

There are a lot of dangers in the world, some natural, some man made , but the spraying of toxic chemicals over populated areas in such a vast quantity that the result is unhealthy MCL (Maximum Contaminant Levels) of these chemicals, in the air a water, is a dangerous problem.

I'm not quite sure what point you are making about the "flying metal tube", but yet I do somehow find your words strangly arousing .

 

[eric2136]

You said there are already planes currently fitted with this equipment.

Within the previously stated specifications would be the requirement that such a plane would be rentable, or in any way obtainable, by somebody like you, which it absolutely isn't.


Nobody in their right mind would give you access to a plane with that type of technology just so you can go up and spy on a covert military operation. No pilot would fly that plane, and no business would rent you a plane for that express purpose. The very idea of it is absurd, and I, in no way support your chemtrail flight scheme, although I am growing more amused at watching you try to defend it.

 

[bobjustbob]

As for cloud testing, there are only a few planes in the world that have the equipment to analyze the spray mix and can get to the CT altitudes (30,000)

So do these planes exist or not?

 

[eric2136]

So do these planes exist or not?

LOL What would it matter to someone like you. I'm not commenting further on your lame-brained airplane scheme. It's already gotten more attention than it deserves.

If you, or someone of your ilk, desires to conduct some sort of safe simple scientific analysis, the following is the type of research deemed to be safe for the common citizen to do. I wouldn't suggest you attempt doing anything more than something like this, Bob.

• 
The program is global in scope and has the potential to cause significant environmental harm, so to conduct your own public intelligence, experiments and analysis to expose the program, here is a science experiment to-do list:


1. Analyze sample of Stadis 450 using LCMS for presence of metals.


2. Collect and analyze air samples from locations varying in proximity to major airports that use commercial jet fuel. Use blind labeling of samples and data. Look for any association between metal aerosol in air and proximity to airports. 


3. Use gimball tracking telescope to record chemtrail dispersal - look for sprayer or exhaust pattern. Check for aircraft markings.


 

[eric2136]

• Monsanto Patents and Chemtrails
http://farmwars.info/?p=7760

Barbara H. Peterson
Farm Wars

While I might assume a particular position on an issue, that position is subject to change when new or more relevant information becomes available. Remember the sorghum aluminum resistance patent that we thought was created by Monsanto to counter the effects of excess aluminum found in the soil after heavy chemtrailing? Well, it turns out that we were partially right.*
Here is where we went wrong:
The patent for aluminum resistance mentioned in What in the World are They Spraying? turns out to be owned by the USDA and Brazil’s agricultural department, not Monsanto directly (although a good case can be made for Monsanto actually owning the USDA, but that’s another story) and evidently, made for acidic soil and will not be effective in an alkaline soil*caused by chemtrailing. Therefore, it appears that this particular patent most likely is targeted for Africa, which seems to be a major biotech interest.
Here is where we were right:
Monsanto DOES own patents that appear to mitigate the effects of geo-engineering, that can be applied to a whole host of fruits, trees, grains and veggies. A quick patent search brings up 3,981 hits for Monsanto and Stress Tolerance. Mendel Biotechnology is partners with Monsanto in several of these patents. This is taken from one of the joint patents:
The claimed invention, in the field of functional genomics and the characterization of plant genes for the improvement of plants, was made by or on behalf of Mendel Biotechnology, Inc. and Monsanto Corporation as a result of activities undertaken within the scope of a joint research agreement in effect on or before the date the claimed invention was made.
Here is a patent titled “Stress tolerant plants and methods thereof,” that is owned by Monsanto, and seems to address all forms of abiotic stress that weather manipulation and chemtrails*can cause:

FIELD OF THE INVENTION

Described herein are inventions in the field of plant molecular biology and plant genetic engineering. In particular, DNA constructs encoding a polypeptide and transgenic plants containing the DNA constructs are provided. The transgenic plants are characterized by improved stress tolerance.

BACKGROUND OF THE INVENTION

One of the goals of plant genetic engineering is to produce plants with agronomically, horticulturally or economically important characteristics or traits. Traits of particular interest include high yield, improved quality and yield stability. The yield from a plant is greatly influenced by external environmental factors including water availability and heat, of which tolerance of extremes is in turn influenced by internal developmental factors. Enhancement of plant yield may be achieved by genetically modifying the plant to be tolerant to yield losses due to stressful environmental conditions, such as heat and drought stress.
Seed and fruit production are both limited inherently due to abiotic stress. Soybean ( Glycine max ), for instance, is a crop species that suffers from loss of seed germination during storage and fails to germinate when soil temperatures are cool (Zhang et al., Plant Soil 188: (1997)). This is also true in corn and other plants of agronomic importance. Improvement of abiotic stress tolerance in plants would be an agronomic advantage to growers allowing enhanced growth and/or germination in cold, drought, flood, heat, UV stress, ozone increases, acid rain, pollution, salt stress, heavy metals, mineralized soils, and other abiotic stresses.
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7851676.html

Here are the plants that this “invention” intends to cover:
The method of claim 7, wherein said crop plant is selected from the group consisting of corn, soybean, wheat, cotton, rice and rapeseed/canola.
Further on down, we find that a whole host of other plants are under the microscope and used for the process as well:
The transgenic plant is selected from the group consisting of: Acacia , alfalfa, aneth, apple, apricot, artichoke, arugula, asparagus, avocado, banana, barley, beans, beet, blackberry, blueberry, broccoli, brussels sprouts, cabbage, canola, cantaloupe, carrot, cassaya, cauliflower, celery, cherry, cilantro, citrus, clementines, coffee, corn, cotton, cucumber, Douglas fir, eggplant, endive, escarole, eucalyptus, fennel, figs, forest tree, gourd, grape, grapefruit, honey dew, jicama, kiwifruit, lettuce, leeks, lemon, lime, loblolly pine, mango, melon, millet, mushroom, nut, oat, okra, onion, orange, papaya, parsley, pea, peach, peanut, pear, pepper, persimmon, pine, pineapple, plantain, plum, pomegranate, poplar, potato, pumpkin, quince, radiata pine, radicchio, radish, raspberry, rice, rye, sorghum, southern pine, soybean, spinach, squash, strawberry, sugarbeet, sugarcane, sunflower, sweet potato, sweetgum, tangerine, tea, tobacco, tomato, turf, a vine, watermelon, wheat, yams, and zucchini.
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7851676.html
This patent is infinitely more inclusive of conditions related to chemtrail activity than the singularly applied aluminum patent as it is a relatively all-inclusive “stress tolerance” patent for everything from cold to drought to heavy metals, to salty soil that involves everything from acacia to zucchini. Monsanto to the rescue, again. And we thought the only thing we had to worry about was sorghum and aluminum. Think again…

© 2012 Barbara H. Peterson

 

[CptHa]

http://contrailscience.com/

 

[eric2136]

http://contrailscience.com/

Chemtrail "debunk" sites in general have no credibility because they don't do any independent scientific research, and are normally only persuasive to those with the very lowest intellectual grasp of the issue.

Please don't start quoting any garbage from that site unless you've reviewed all the materials in this thread thoroughly, because that site is a very old disinformation site, and anything I say in response will just be repeating myself, which, in general, I don't like to do, and may not do, if I deem your question to be too dumb.

Military aerosol spraying programs have been researched and documented for decades. If you are in any way trying to refute this reality than you are a complete and utter fool, and have obviously done no research regarding the phenomenon.

 

[xfire]

So do these planes exist or not?

LOL What would it matter to someone like you. I'm not commenting further on your lame-brained airplane scheme. It's already gotten more attention than it deserves.

If that's not a candidate for Ironic Statement of the Year I don't know what is.

 

[eric2136]

As I said, if you two dim-witted stooges desire to attempt to conduct some sort of safe simple scientific analysis, the following is the type of research deemed by professionals to be safe for the common citizen to do. I wouldn't suggest you remedial type characters attempt doing anything more than something like this, as your are obviously not capable, and you might hurt yourself, or somebody else.

• 
The program is global in scope and has the potential to cause significant environmental harm, so to conduct your own public intelligence, experiments and analysis to expose the program, here is a science experiment to-do list:


1. Analyze sample of Stadis 450 using LCMS for presence of metals.


2. Collect and analyze air samples from locations varying in proximity to major airports that use commercial jet fuel. Use blind labeling of samples and data. Look for any association between metal aerosol in air and proximity to airports. 


3. Use gimball tracking telescope to record chemtrail dispersal - look for sprayer or exhaust pattern. Check for aircraft markings.


If that's not a candidate for Ironic Statement of the Year I don't know what is.

 

[Anonyne#017]

I think you have been breathing way too much of your own ass chemtrails. You should try to open some windows, let some fresh air inside and fart poison fumes and methanes out before you pass out... wait isn't methane a greenhouse gas? Next time you have a gold winter in america, just tell everyone to keep farting hard continuously and maybe all that fart methane you guys let loose will be causing a greenhouse effect making temperatures get warmer... You can have happy little summer time in the middle of the winter... *proot*...

 

[eric2136]

wow, another stooge, and with fart jokes too…awesome :thumbsup: !

I think you have been breathing way too much of your own ass chemtrails. You should try to open some windows, let some fresh air inside and fart poison fumes and methanes out before you pass out... wait isn't methane a greenhouse gas? Next time you have a gold winter in america, just tell everyone to keep farting hard continuously and maybe all that fart methane you guys let loose will be causing a greenhouse effect making temperatures get warmer... You can have happy little summer time in the middle of the winter... *proot*...

 

[eric2136]

• Monsanto Patents and Chemtrails
http://farmwars.info/?p=7760

Barbara H. Peterson
Farm Wars

While I might assume a particular position on an issue, that position is subject to change when new or more relevant information becomes available. Remember the sorghum aluminum resistance patent that we thought was created by Monsanto to counter the effects of excess aluminum found in the soil after heavy chemtrailing? Well, it turns out that we were partially right.*
Here is where we went wrong:
The patent for aluminum resistance mentioned in What in the World are They Spraying? turns out to be owned by the USDA and Brazil’s agricultural department, not Monsanto directly (although a good case can be made for Monsanto actually owning the USDA, but that’s another story) and evidently, made for acidic soil and will not be effective in an alkaline soil*caused by chemtrailing. Therefore, it appears that this particular patent most likely is targeted for Africa, which seems to be a major biotech interest.
Here is where we were right:
Monsanto DOES own patents that appear to mitigate the effects of geo-engineering, that can be applied to a whole host of fruits, trees, grains and veggies. A quick patent search brings up 3,981 hits for Monsanto and Stress Tolerance. Mendel Biotechnology is partners with Monsanto in several of these patents. This is taken from one of the joint patents:
The claimed invention, in the field of functional genomics and the characterization of plant genes for the improvement of plants, was made by or on behalf of Mendel Biotechnology, Inc. and Monsanto Corporation as a result of activities undertaken within the scope of a joint research agreement in effect on or before the date the claimed invention was made.
Here is a patent titled “Stress tolerant plants and methods thereof,” that is owned by Monsanto, and seems to address all forms of abiotic stress that weather manipulation and chemtrails*can cause:

FIELD OF THE INVENTION

Described herein are inventions in the field of plant molecular biology and plant genetic engineering. In particular, DNA constructs encoding a polypeptide and transgenic plants containing the DNA constructs are provided. The transgenic plants are characterized by improved stress tolerance.

BACKGROUND OF THE INVENTION

One of the goals of plant genetic engineering is to produce plants with agronomically, horticulturally or economically important characteristics or traits. Traits of particular interest include high yield, improved quality and yield stability. The yield from a plant is greatly influenced by external environmental factors including water availability and heat, of which tolerance of extremes is in turn influenced by internal developmental factors. Enhancement of plant yield may be achieved by genetically modifying the plant to be tolerant to yield losses due to stressful environmental conditions, such as heat and drought stress.
Seed and fruit production are both limited inherently due to abiotic stress. Soybean ( Glycine max ), for instance, is a crop species that suffers from loss of seed germination during storage and fails to germinate when soil temperatures are cool (Zhang et al., Plant Soil 188: (1997)). This is also true in corn and other plants of agronomic importance. Improvement of abiotic stress tolerance in plants would be an agronomic advantage to growers allowing enhanced growth and/or germination in cold, drought, flood, heat, UV stress, ozone increases, acid rain, pollution, salt stress, heavy metals, mineralized soils, and other abiotic stresses.
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7851676.html

Here are the plants that this “invention” intends to cover:
The method of claim 7, wherein said crop plant is selected from the group consisting of corn, soybean, wheat, cotton, rice and rapeseed/canola.
Further on down, we find that a whole host of other plants are under the microscope and used for the process as well:
The transgenic plant is selected from the group consisting of: Acacia , alfalfa, aneth, apple, apricot, artichoke, arugula, asparagus, avocado, banana, barley, beans, beet, blackberry, blueberry, broccoli, brussels sprouts, cabbage, canola, cantaloupe, carrot, cassaya, cauliflower, celery, cherry, cilantro, citrus, clementines, coffee, corn, cotton, cucumber, Douglas fir, eggplant, endive, escarole, eucalyptus, fennel, figs, forest tree, gourd, grape, grapefruit, honey dew, jicama, kiwifruit, lettuce, leeks, lemon, lime, loblolly pine, mango, melon, millet, mushroom, nut, oat, okra, onion, orange, papaya, parsley, pea, peach, peanut, pear, pepper, persimmon, pine, pineapple, plantain, plum, pomegranate, poplar, potato, pumpkin, quince, radiata pine, radicchio, radish, raspberry, rice, rye, sorghum, southern pine, soybean, spinach, squash, strawberry, sugarbeet, sugarcane, sunflower, sweet potato, sweetgum, tangerine, tea, tobacco, tomato, turf, a vine, watermelon, wheat, yams, and zucchini.
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7851676.html
This patent is infinitely more inclusive of conditions related to chemtrail activity than the singularly applied aluminum patent as it is a relatively all-inclusive “stress tolerance” patent for everything from cold to drought to heavy metals, to salty soil that involves everything from acacia to zucchini. Monsanto to the rescue, again. And we thought the only thing we had to worry about was sorghum and aluminum. Think again…

© 2012 Barbara H. Peterson