What football clubs do you people support?

[Union Jax]

Here`s a little game for you guys.

Not sure if its been posted before though.

http://www.playforyourclub.com/

 

[b23k]

yes they do... it's called Fox Sports World

he meant in England, Brasilian football is shown on channel 4. England is without doubt the best country to be in to watch Sport, at least for me anyway, all the things i want to watch, i can, its fucking brilliant.

Interactive is a god send.

 

[Dick Hardly]

The Oakland Raiders. Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you were talking about REAL football.

My sentiments exactly.

 

[Durty_Dog]

Durty, it comes down to expectations. Abramovich gave Ranieri the tools to win the league or the champions league...he didn't do it, and so he goes.

Mourinho will have the same expectation hanging over his head, if he doesn't win something big, then his head will be on the block too....thats the way it is.

If Hull City were in that position, your expectations would change too would they not? If you had countless millions at your disposal you'd expect to gain successive promotions would you not?

Abramovich may not be a football man, but neither are Magnier and co., so i fail to see how you can praise them?

BTW, how do you feel about Taylor wanting to do a runner and take over the England U21 job again?

I know what your getting at as we have a similar situation here i think we went through about 8 manager's to get us out of the worst division to be in (3) including high profile managers like Brian Little, Mark Hatley and Jan Molby, i'm not exactly praising the other chairmen i just think the situations a bit mad down at Chelsea at the moment mainly as i feel Ranieri was getting better season by season and would eventually win the premiership with Chelsea which i cant see Mourinio doing.

It's good about Taylor going back to the U21's as he's still commited to this club as it has a new large stadium (voted in the top 10 in England) and a fan base with attendences that peaked at 25'000 this season (in division 3) which is why he left Brighton and Gillingham, he's been linked with Tottenham all season as well. I think Taylor is good enough to get us succesive promotions into division 1 and it's not very often city fans have anything to be optimistic about as it was 20 years since we last got promoted and we've been in the 3rd for about 15, and for a club thats capable of been in the premiership due to catchment area and potential you can understand why we got bad crowds at Boothery park. It's a strange situation here as we are now a rich club after nearly dropping into the vauxhall conferance and going into administration infact where richer than 4 or 5 premiership clubs eg: Portsmouth and Blackburn.

So what i'm trying to say is we are a rich club with a good set of young determined players a good chairman and manager so we do excpect promotion next season like Chelsea excpect to finally win the premiership, hopefully if we get the promotion next season then the premiership will at last be a possibility unlike in the 60's (i think) when we missed out on the top division by goal difference. Whats the deal with Sven not picking Lampard and only picking Scholes and Butt for the Euro 2004 preperations anyway?

 

[b23k]

Whats the deal with Sven not picking Lampard and only picking Scholes and Butt for the Euro 2004 preperations anyway?

Well, cos i'm not English and don't have any attachments to the situation, my objective opinion would be that disease that goes around international football which is "loyalty to what you trust"

SGE goes with Scholes (who has been absolutely bollox for England for 3 years) and Butt (who cannot possibly justify a place in the side) cos he trusts those players for either what they have done for him in the past, or what he believes they are capable of doing as opposed to "new" players who he is either scared or unsure of whether they can perform at the highest level.

We have EXACTLY the same problem with Argentina in Bielsa, who picks players that, and its not an over statement, the Argentine public hate (like Veron, Quiroga, Cavallero, Claudio Lopez etc) because they are "his" players, and he is unwilling to play the players that capture the imagination of the public like Abbondanzieri, Burdisso, Clemente Rodriguez, Saviola, Tevez etc etc

Its only very recently that he has been forced by public pressure to abandon his one playmaker style, and incorporate both Aimar and D'Alessandro.

I know you as an England fan probably don't want to believe this (naturally, cos anyone wants to believe their nation can win), but I feel England still have the same problems in their team that they have had for quite a few years and i honestly think its impossible for a side with so many flaws to win a major tournament.

Luck always plays a part to a degree, but i can't see you beating for example Spain, Italy and then France in succession to win the competition.

Just out of curiosity, what would be your England team for Euro 2004 (a realistic one, made up of the selected squad, that means no Hull players! )

 

[Sutty]

I would put money on this being the England line up against France:

James

G Neville Cole

Campbell Terry


Beckham Lampard Scholes Gerrard


Owen Rooney

 

[Durty_Dog]

Well, cos i'm not English and don't have any attachments to the situation, my objective opinion would be that disease that goes around international football which is "loyalty to what you trust"

SGE goes with Scholes (who has been absolutely bollox for England for 3 years) and Butt (who cannot possibly justify a place in the side) cos he trusts those players for either what they have done for him in the past, or what he believes they are capable of doing as opposed to "new" players who he is either scared or unsure of whether they can perform at the highest level.

We have EXACTLY the same problem with Argentina in Bielsa, who picks players that, and its not an over statement, the Argentine public hate (like Veron, Quiroga, Cavallero, Claudio Lopez etc) because they are "his" players, and he is unwilling to play the players that capture the imagination of the public like Abbondanzieri, Burdisso, Clemente Rodriguez, Saviola, Tevez etc etc

Its only very recently that he has been forced by public pressure to abandon his one playmaker style, and incorporate both Aimar and D'Alessandro.

I know you as an England fan probably don't want to believe this (naturally, cos anyone wants to believe their nation can win), but I feel England still have the same problems in their team that they have had for quite a few years and i honestly think its impossible for a side with so many flaws to win a major tournament.

Luck always plays a part to a degree, but i can't see you beating for example Spain, Italy and then France in succession to win the competition.

Just out of curiosity, what would be your England team for Euro 2004 (a realistic one, made up of the selected squad, that means no Hull players! )

I agree with what you say about England, but we have come close in the past (euro 96) even with this formula all football managers seem to choose and noone can argue against Svens record as England manager, however (going back to Hull again) Peter Taylor used this method of choosing his favourites with Marc Joseph, Ryan France and Stuart Green and it paid off evetually after a string of poor peformances, i think Rooneys appearances for Everton this season have been poor so dont think he should be in the starting line up but he should be on the bench, i would personally rather see them use Defoe or Wright-Phillips instead what do you think Sutty?, they should also force shearer on the plane to Portugal to give us that strength we need but that wont happen, and get that keeper from Norwich (yes i've forgotten his name) as i saw him on Tv a few times last season and he is alot better than James and Martyn, i bet Sven has'nt even looked at Richard Wright aswell.

 

[Durty_Dog]

SGE goes with Scholes (who has been absolutely bollox for England for 3 years) and Butt (who cannot possibly justify a place in the side) cos he trusts those players for either what they have done for him in the past, or what he believes they are capable of doing as opposed to "new" players who he is either scared or unsure of whether they can perform at the highest level.

We have EXACTLY the same problem with Argentina in Bielsa, who picks players that, and its not an over statement, the Argentine public hate (like Veron, Quiroga, Cavallero, Claudio Lopez etc) because they are "his" players, and he is unwilling to play the players that capture the imagination of the public like Abbondanzieri, Burdisso, Clemente Rodriguez, Saviola, Tevez etc etc

Its only very recently that he has been forced by public pressure to abandon his one playmaker style, and incorporate both Aimar and D'Alessandro.

I know you as an England fan probably don't want to believe this (naturally, cos anyone wants to believe their nation can win), but I feel England still have the same problems in their team that they have had for quite a few years and i honestly think its impossible for a side with so many flaws to win a major tournament.

Luck always plays a part to a degree, but i can't see you beating for example Spain, Italy and then France in succession to win the competition.

Just out of curiosity, what would be your England team for Euro 2004 (a realistic one, made up of the selected squad, that means no Hull players! )

I agree with what you say on England B23K but the tacic of a manager favouring players does sometimes work (going back to Hull again) Peter Taylor always chose 3 of his favourite players and signings (Marc Joseph, Stuart Green and Richard Hinds) at the start of the season even though they where really poor they suddenly however improved half way through the season due to patience and no one can question Svens record as England manager (i dont even think Scholes is a bag of wank he's a good versatile SUBSTITUTE player). I think we are capable of beating Italy (they are currently in my opinion a poor team who still scrap for a 0-0 draw all the time) and we often get fired up and beat some of the bigger clubs such as France so theres always a bit of hope as we also nearly beat Brazil in the world cup even though they did deserve to win. I think Rooney should be put on the subs bench due to his pretty poor everton season however and Wright-Phillips or Defoe should be given a chance, as for calamity james in goal, i think they should give Richard Wright or that Norwich goalkeeper i've seen a bit of a chance there, Lampard, Beckham, Gerrard and Lee Hendry would be a good midfield for the England squad and in defence it should be Terry, Bridge, Cole and Neville while upfront we should play Shearer (i wish) and Owen, but realisitcly we should play Owen and Defoe and i dont think any Hull players will make the England squad LoL but Ken Wagstaff played for England a long time before i was born. What would your England 11 be Sutty? (no Bradford players) I also saw on another thread on freeones that you said Helen Chamberlain fucked the whole Torquoy united team, is this true? LMAO

 

[Durty_Dog]

Shit i posted two similar messages twice and Freeones wont let me delete the first one.

 

[Sutty]

In reply to your post Durty Dog, my england team would be the one I posted above and as for the Helen Chamberlain rumour, well it was what one of the torquay youth team players told me so make of that what you will.

 

[lars2]

 

[b23k]

I would put money on this being the England line up against France:

James

G Neville Cole

Campbell Terry


Beckham Lampard Scholes Gerrard


Owen Rooney

Which is why France will beat you with room to spare. England are so stupid when it comes to things like this, Gerard is a quality CM....so England put him on the left!!! Lampard has shown himself this season to be a good attacking mid.....so England put him in the holding role!!!

And Beckham's effectiveness is really nullified with England because, his great quality, his delivery can't be utilised as much as it could, cos England have 2 midgets upfront! And when Beckham plays centrally, its kind of pointless, cos he's not a playmaker, he doesn't have the ability of a Zidane, Totti, Aimar, Ronaldinho.

 

[b23k]

I agree with what you say on England B23K but the tacic of a manager favouring players does sometimes work (going back to Hull again) Peter Taylor always chose 3 of his favourite players and signings (Marc Joseph, Stuart Green and Richard Hinds) at the start of the season even though they where really poor they suddenly however improved half way through the season due to patience and no one can question Svens record as England manager (i dont even think Scholes is a bag of wank he's a good versatile SUBSTITUTE player). I think we are capable of beating Italy (they are currently in my opinion a poor team who still scrap for a 0-0 draw all the time) and we often get fired up and beat some of the bigger clubs such as France so theres always a bit of hope as we also nearly beat Brazil in the world cup even though they did deserve to win. I think Rooney should be put on the subs bench due to his pretty poor everton season however and Wright-Phillips or Defoe should be given a chance, as for calamity james in goal, i think they should give Richard Wright or that Norwich goalkeeper i've seen a bit of a chance there, Lampard, Beckham, Gerrard and Lee Hendry would be a good midfield for the England squad and in defence it should be Terry, Bridge, Cole and Neville while upfront we should play Shearer (i wish) and Owen, but realisitcly we should play Owen and Defoe and i dont think any Hull players will make the England squad LoL but Ken Wagstaff played for England a long time before i was born. What would your England 11 be Sutty? (no Bradford players) I also saw on another thread on freeones that you said Helen Chamberlain fucked the whole Torquoy united team, is this true? LMAO

Managers have their favs, thats no secret. If i was coach of Argentina i would have my favs too......the issue comes, when your favs don't play well and there are better, fresher, younger players waiting to be given a run in the side......and then never are.

England have reached this stage with Scholes, and you had that problem with Heskey until recently. Maybe Scholes will have an amazing Euro 2004 and score 3 or goals in 5 or 6 games?......but, none of that can be predicted confidently on his international scoring rate the past 3 years.

And if a manager is going into the tournament more in hope then expectation, then you have a problem.

Italy are a quality side, any side that can defend as well as they can and have attacking players like Vieri, Totti, Del Piero and Cassano at their disposal are a serious serious threat. I expect them to be in the final, they deserved to win Euro 2000 and i think that will be extra motivation for them, if they need it, which they don't.

I don't see how Sven could pick Richard Wright if he can't even get a game at his club. He should have taken Green instead of Walker, thats always been my belief, you take a good young keeper as 3rd choice so he can get some experience of being in a tournament squad, and then that gives him a foundation for future years when you hope he will become your no1 keeper. Taking Walker, who for a start is crap, is pointless.......it will have no bearing on how England do, cos its only the 3rd keeper and he likely won't get on the pitch.......but still you have to think of the team development also.

Defoe not going is really an incredibly bad decision, especially when England are only taking 4 forwards, one of them Heskey has an appalling goal ration at national level, one of them Vassell is only an option as sub, and Rooney was hyped too much, he's going to be a good player, not a great one, and his goal record at Everton doesn't befit some "young superstar"

Compare Rooney's career so far, with players like Owen, Saviola, Ronaldo at similar ages....all 3 players played for bigger clubs and scored a hell of alot more goals.

Rooney plays for a team that has more chance of going down than ever winning anything, and he doesn't score much.

Regarding Helen Chamberlain, she acts like a slapper, i wouldn't be surprised if she fucked the whole torquay team, they prob had a bukkake party when they got promoted!!!

Kirsty Gallagher over Helen Chamberlain any day of the week.

 

[sonny forelli]

Which is why France will beat you with room to spare. England are so stupid when it comes to things like this, Gerard is a quality CM....so England put him on the left!!! Lampard has shown himself this season to be a good attacking mid.....so England put him in the holding role!!!

And Beckham's effectiveness is really nullified with England because, his great quality, his delivery can't be utilised as much as it could, cos England have 2 midgets upfront! And when Beckham plays centrally, its kind of pointless, cos he's not a playmaker, he doesn't have the ability of a Zidane, Totti, Aimar, Ronaldinho.

Beckham plays centrally, its kind of pointless, cos he's not a playmaker

what the fuck are you on

 

[Terri Summers]

i couldnt have said it better myself most defenitely they get my support, and real madrid for obvious reasons(<- beckham...)

holland is sooooooo going the win the european championship!!

 

[Inspector_XXX]

The Oakland Raiders. Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you were talking about REAL football.

Even in the U.S., "real football" excludes the Raiders.

 

[Durty_Dog]

So Sven tried the players that Sutty mentioned and they drew 1-1 with Japan, it might only be a warm up but things are looking bad. About what you said with Gerrard and Lampard i could'nt agree with that more, England started off alright for the first 30 minutes then just lost out to Japan in every form. Hey Terri, love your work, definatley in the top three of my fav pornstars , even if you do think the Dutch will win euro 2004. LMAO.

 

[b23k]

what the fuck are you on

Earth, how about you?

Go on then, tell me that Beckham is a playmaker, provide evidence for your opinions. There is a reason Beckham doesn't wear the 10...........its cos he isn't one.

Hard working with great delivery.......yes.

Ability to be creative through the middle for 90 mins like the great 10's of the present and past.........no.

 

[Durty_Dog]

I don't see how Sven could pick Richard Wright if he can't even get a game at his club.

Nicky Butt has been giving the chance throughout this season so why should'nt Wright be given the chance?. Beckham is also a quality player capable of lasting 90 minutes and could potentially be one of the greats as could Gerrard (my opinion). B23k it said that Taylor has taken the u21 job and he's signed a new young player from Preston.

 

[sonny forelli]

Earth, how about you?

Go on then, tell me that Beckham is a playmaker, provide evidence for your opinions. There is a reason Beckham doesn't wear the 10...........its cos he isn't one.

Hard working with great delivery.......yes.

Ability to be creative through the middle for 90 mins like the great 10's of the present and past.........no.

what fuck does that mean in english