Wendy 4 / Wendy Combattente / Wendy Fiore
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You seem to think that because people do things, and even enjoy doing them, that it makes it right. Drinking is fun, and I love going out with my friends, but it doesn't make it right, and in the end it hurts myself, and possibly those around me, I know that, and I still do it. Does that mean I'm judging a person lifestyle...no. It means that I'm aware that drinking does nothing productive for my life or anyone else's life. Same thing with watching porn, or being a porn star. What healthy service is she providing anyone? The actuality is that if I'm a single man, instead of feeding my loneliness with porn, I should spend that energy on bettering myself, to put myself in the best position to meet a quality person. Even whacking off too much can train, and desensitize the penis, and can hurt your sex life with real women. And how would my wife feel, if she knew I was thinking of Wendy4 during sex...better yet how would I feel if I knew she was thinking of Wendy4 during sex? Inadequate. Nothing I'm saying is based on my moral code, it's simply physical, and mental health facts. If you watch porn, and you seriously think it's a good thing to do, your severely confused. I watch porn, and I realize every single time, this is a habit I one day want to drop. You remind me of that person who says, people should eat what they want, when they want, and no one should ever tell them whats good or bad to eat. But in reality stuffing your face with unhealthy food, will potentially kill you, and most likely make you unhappy with yourself. Indulging in models like Wendy4, is bad for the health and wallet.
You keep saying men this and that. I am a man, and as a man aka brute, I fight the urge to just think of women as ass and tits everyday(how I of think of Wendy, and any other women on my hard drive because I don't love them....at all), because women deserve more then that. Women want to be thought of as more then that...maybe you missed the whole women's right movement era...but you need to go back and look at your history if you think most women have no problem with be subjected to be a mans whack off tool.
We can do this all day long, and nothing will change. I believe women are human beings, and though I love lusting over internet models, I still know deep in my heart, that the uneasy...dont want my wife, mother, or sisters, feeling I get when I think of what if someone saw me watching this, is do to the shame I rightfully feel because I am supporting something that is spiritually depraving to women. Smiling is not being happy. And a pornstar may walk out of strip club thinking I'm so happy I just go paid...but somewhere in their mind, is a voice saying..."who are you fooling, no your not," and even if they ignore it, that voice alone proves my point, Lust will always be unhealthy for the spirit and soul.
You keep saying men this and that. I am a man, and as a man aka brute, I fight the urge to just think of women as ass and tits everyday(how I of think of Wendy, and any other women on my hard drive because I don't love them....at all), because women deserve more then that. Women want to be thought of as more then that...maybe you missed the whole women's right movement era...but you need to go back and look at your history if you think most women have no problem with be subjected to be a mans whack off tool.
We can do this all day long, and nothing will change. I believe women are human beings, and though I love lusting over internet models, I still know deep in my heart, that the uneasy...dont want my wife, mother, or sisters, feeling I get when I think of what if someone saw me watching this, is do to the shame I rightfully feel because I am supporting something that is spiritually depraving to women. Smiling is not being happy. And a pornstar may walk out of strip club thinking I'm so happy I just go paid...but somewhere in their mind, is a voice saying..."who are you fooling, no your not," and even if they ignore it, that voice alone proves my point, Lust will always be unhealthy for the spirit and soul.
Quite the opposite. All I'm saying is that if it's not going against the consent of anyone, not harming anyone and not breaking the Golden Rule, then it's not wrong. And I'm also pointing out that gossip and judgement are the problem.
There is nothing wrong with little-to-moderate drinking. And it's definitely responsible to take precautions before doing so. But being inebriated regularly, and being irresponsible not just during, but especially before by not taking precautions, is where the problem is.
It's not the drinking. It's not the alcohol. It is the lack of personal responsibility before. It's the lack of control during. This "absolute" and "wrong" concept is self-defeating. It does not address the actual problems with lack of consent, lack of responsibility, lack of control.
Does that make it "wrong"? Why does everything have to be right or wrong? Just because it's not community service, charity, giving, doesn't mean it's wrong. And just because it's not work, and its something enjoyable, doesn't mean it's wrong. No one has the right to judge what others do, behind their own, closed doors, with themselves, or consenting, other individuals, as long as they are responsible, do not hurt others, do not neglect those they care for, etc...
We have got to stop and separate the difference. Just because some people are not responsible with a pleasure does not mean the pleasure itself is wrong.
Actually, erotica is considered a very beneficial, sociological aspect of life. But I won't go there.
The problem is when people obsess, or use erotica, to push on something that is definitely harming another person, like overriding consent, or an excuse for violence. That's where pornography gets its bad name. That and drug addiction that plagues some production houses.
Erotica itself, even lust, is not unhealthy. It is not wrong. Just because it is a pleasure does not mean its wrong. What is wrong is men not being able to control themselves, be responsible, neglect their life and, worst of all, blame women for the lack of responsibility by men. Our largely male dominated human history has been particularly nasty to women, and blame women, not for their issues, but ours.
That's a judgement for yourself to make. Judging yourself is okay. That is up to you. But judging others, no, it should stop at yourself.
I have never done drugs. I have never drank. And I have never, ever cheated on my wife.
But I don't judge others who do drink, do drugs or have polygamous relationships. What I judge people on is their ability, or inability, to be responsible if they do. Are they honest with themselves? Do they plan for the case they accidentally inebriate themselves, or even recognize it's not so accidental and they have a problem? Are they honest with their partner about their desires? Do they keep things from their partners?
None of that is healthy. But the drinking, drugs or even multiple partnerships is not irresponsible on their own, even if too many people are with them.
Masturbation is an activity that is recommended 3-4 times/week by most physicians, but with select precautions. In the US, we have done an absolutely horrendous job in educating our youth, to the point when a Surgeon General finally tried to address the problem correctly, she was forced out.
So we keep it taboo. We keep from talking about it. We keep from engaging in the conversations we need to have about consent, health, responsibility, by labelling all lust, erotica and everything else as wrong.
You're looking at that all wrong.
To start, do you want to lust for other women? If so, you start by being forward with your partner. If your partner does not like it, then you have to decide if you want to be with her. Not because she's not right for you, but because you may not be right for them.
Partnerships are real simple ... Honesty and Forwardness. When you take on a partner in your life, you agree with them on the same values. If you do not, beforehand, you're fucked. There is no "absolute value" system. It's an agreement to take on their values as yours, and vice versa, promising to find compromises.
But that doesn't mean compromises should be extreme. If values are very different, then the relationship is never going to work. Furthermore, people do change over time. That's why even long-term relationships break apart, although usually with far more understanding. Unless someone was lying, let alone to themselves for several decades, or have an event that radically changes their values, relationships that ensure are the ones built on honesty and true acceptance.
So if you want to fantasize about Wendy, or watch any pornography when you make love to your partner, be forward and honest about it. Seek a partner that seeks the same. People argue you cannot trust someone that has lust for other people. No. The bigger problem is people who lust and are not honest about it.
My wife is the best fucking lay in bed, and the hottest woman on the planet in my view. I'm going to find no better. But outside the bedroom, she's the only woman who understands me. She could change over yet another decade of our marriage. I could to. But my values have not changed since I was a mid-teenager, and hers have not either.
And yes, she knows I post here.
Which differ and are subjectively debated.
The only two things that are absolute are honesty and consent. You're either honest with your partners, your friends, yourself, or you are not. And consent, you either seek and receive it, or you violate it. Those are the only two, objective things. Everything else is subjective.
Even subjective viewpoints can be popular, and the most common. Alcohol and drugs lead to inebriation and impairment. Although outlawing drugs has led to something far worse, just like outlawing alcohol did prior. The majority of Americans in jail right now are minor drug possession.
I never argued "good" or "bad." In fact, until this e-mail, I never even said it had health benefits. There are health benefits to erotica and masturbation.
But that aside. The only thing I continually argue is that erotica, masturbation, and the like are not unhealthy by their very nature. The problem is the human element that people use them as an excuse for ignoring consent, neglecting their responsibilities, and, worst of all, a conduit for violence.
That's your judgement, for yourself. I cannot tell you what is or isn't good for you. I can only ask you to consider not judging everyone else.
You know what bothers me? It's that I don't do enough charity work. I wish I would do more charity work. I given enough, but it's easy to drop a fraction of discretionary income and "feel good" about oneself. It's far more involved to donate time, make the effort, and try to do things, not for oneself.
Whether you watch innocent TV or engage in pornography matters little. It's not right or wrong, it's just what it is on its own. If you watch too much, neglect your responsibilities, bypass what others say they do not want to do and force them, that is what is wrong. Not the act that does little to benefit others.
And you're one of those people who see only black'n white, left and right, right and wrong.
People should be able to eat what they want. But "advisement" should be left to the professionals, dietitians, doctors, and the like. Popular views are far worse. Vitamin overdoses, fats are worse than carbs, transfats are better than saturated fats, all cholestorol is bad, and the like.
It's best to be an expert before judging others, and even then, only when others seek judgement ... unless they are damaging society by harming others, not respecting their wishes, etc... That's why we have government, to protect people as a whole from others, not themselves. People get confused on that.
I don't judge. I'm not an expert. Ironically I'm a guy that is the most "clean" of just about anyone I know. I only ask people to be responsible in what they do. If people want to do what I do, that's great. But I'm not going to be someone who says "do what I say," even if others think I live the best life.
Gluttony is an obvious issue in society right now. But also associated with it is unhealthy advise that is designed to be healthy, an industry of processed food, overuse of sodium and/or saturated and transfatty acids and/or various, simple sugars. Responsibility starts personal, first-hand, but also is about not just awareness, but the consumer saying something with their dollar too.
Same point. If you don't care for Wendy's work or approach, withhold your dollar and leave it at that. I won't guilt anyone for saying she's not giving value for your money in comparison to other providers. But the other bullshit I see here, that's just self-defeating. It says something about you, the male, to a lot of other women. And doing that hurts it for men in general with women.
How is Wendy any worse than any other form of entertainment? What makes her so wrong for using her assets? How to we "draw a line" on that? Where is the "objective" argument on, "oh, this actress has talent, but this model does not"?
Modelling is not as simple as people realize. Interactive models in the age of the Internet are truly under-appreciated. If she says one thing, "She's a Bitch." But in reality, she's been holding back for months, when most of us -- virtually all of us -- would have said something well before she did, if we were in her shoes. It takes quite a bit of charisma to be a model. Frankly, I don't blame some models for not coming over to FreeOnes for this reason.
Because the attitudes too many men have, the ones that have shaped history with male dominated "she deserved it" blame for their own lack of control and responsibility, rears its same, ugly head in Internet forums. I blame some on the teenage kids that are still learning their value systems. But I also blame it on condoning what I see here too, among adult males who should know better.
I don't film videos of my wife and I making love not because of any morality or values. I don't do it because of the judgement people will have that will destroy our careers. And even if I could care less, I fear what some men might do if they found out my real name, and would like to "have a go" at my wife. I've already changed my handle on this board once because that happened in 2011, and the FreeOnes' staff was very accommodating.
Yes. We men have built up a history of not being responsible for our actions, often in a position of control. Women can be just as bad, but they have often not been in a position of the same level of control, historically, whether we're talking physical, political, monetarily (although this last one has changed below the Executive level in the US in the last decade), and in most other considerations.
This has resulted in women not wanting to be alone with a man, fearing if they give into any of their own pleasures, the man might not stop, fearing if they expose their vulnerabilities, they may be exploited, and the like. I've shared a very, very close relationship with one woman for half of my life now, and I know this first hand. I had always seen and discussed it with women over the years, but living it with the woman herself, I understand it.
It's not about values. It's not about right and wrong. It's about comfort. It's about never, ever pushing a woman into something she does not want to do. It's a general rule for humans, the Golden Rule, but when it comes to men and women, men fail to recognize this added reality. Because we are 33% stronger on average. Because we hold positions statistically they do not. And because in the moment, we have a history of forgetting about her comfort.
Not all men. Not even a majority. But enough that women have to artificially protect themselves against that potential. And what I see here justifies it, even if it is only in a minor form. Women to not explore their fantasies. They are inhibited from doing so. Not out of any lack of responsibility on their part, but the potential for men that would violate their not giving consent.
You are an animal. Lust is instinct. You are programmed to put friction on your rod, ideally in a wet orifice of a partner, statistically female in the great majority of men.
Many women recognize they are a man's "wack off tool." They don't mind it. What they mind is a man who takes it beyond the "wack off from afar" and bring it to their doorstep, violate their privacy, possibly their body.
My Hungarian wife does. My concern isn't people wacking off to her because she looks like Arianna Sinn. My concern is people coming to our doorstep, especially when I'm not there.
Your spiritual views are your own, and defined by you.
If Wendy came out tomorrow and said, "No one should be wacking off to my pictures, not even in private without my knowledge," I'd respect it. That's her choice. But short of that, I'm fine with my lust. It's that Wendy is a beautiful woman, very curvy, voluptuous in the traditional sense, and not just her breasts. Although its fine if guys want to focus solely there too, I'm not going to judge them.
Lust is a reality of being an animal. It harms no one as long as it stays with you, you enjoy it in a limited way, and it does not change how you treat a woman. That includes keeping your eyes neck-up in a professional environment, blaming only yourself for being unprofessional if you do not, and respecting the company any woman keeps with you as she wants it, not as you want it.
In a social setting, let others set the tone. My wife likes me to lust for her. I do. I will not hinder it. She loves me to show affection for her in public, although the more unique and atypical, the better. Sucking face is not very unique. Other couples have their approaches.
There are a lot of people who work in many industries who do not like what they are doing. I think all of them should quit their jobs and find something that does make them happy.
I'm more concerned about single parent families where someone is trapped in their jobs just for their child's healthcare. I'm more concerned about how our tax code is setup to destroy small businesses and prevent more understanding employment on a small scale. I have many universal concerns that transcend what people do for a living.
So if a woman enjoys modelling, even pornography, and stands up for what they believe, then more power to them. If we had more men supporting that, instead of the "outcast views," focusing on erotica, even appreciating monogamous models (how often do we hear, "Why don't you sleep with anyone but your husband?" or "Why do you make guys other than your husband wear a condom?"), and supporting them as consumers with our dollar ...
... maybe just maybe the porn houses would start listening to women more who want to make a better industry.
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Rate her on the value of her website from that consumer aspect, and leave it at that. If she does not deliver as a provider, be a courteous consumer. You can even say you are joining another site if you want, because that model is more interactive and provides more or better content. Nothing wrong with pointing that out.
But this concept of "backlash" against models is self-defeating. I recognized the same years ago when Erica Campbell was still around. She was broadly popular, but then there was some backlash as well. And when she decided to change her values, there was quite a bit of ... how can I say this ... almost "attack." Even if I may have disagreed with her assertions of, by and for herself in a general sense (mostly blaming herself for the lust of other men going too far, of which she is not responsible for), I agreed with her making those decisions for herself, which no one else could but her.
In fact, I can really understand how some models do try to find a spiritual connection. They see men, and how they treat women, but then the same men will turn around and say, "Oh, if I only had you as a girlfriend, things would be different." Bullshit. How one treats your mother, sister or ex-girlfriend very much factors into how you will treat any other woman. It's not that you argue, but how you argue, what you drop to doing. That's on the men themselves.
Models undergo many aspects of guilt already, for things they are not remotely responsible for. I refuse to take the puritan approach, and I believe it is harmful for society as a whole. You look at entire Islamic cultures where it is oppressed instead of educated and proliferated, and you end up with the highest rates of reported (not to mention estimates of unreported) rape and sexual violations. The immaturity here in the US, and the primary issue of gossip that comes out of that sexual oppression, is far worse than any, healthy erotica I've ever seen myself.
And it scares me when people, at least too many fellow Americans, say their favorite "Sex Scenes" in various movies are those where it was an aggressive, possibly violent, nature. Given the level of violence widely accepted in US media, but the total ban on sexual activity -- replaced by endless, sometimes far more harmful, innuendo -- then it makes sense that some of the highest rated "Sex Scenes" by Americans are dangerously flirting with violence, constantly. It's the reason why American police, who are dealing with it every day, are totally at odds with American politicians on everything from laws to prosecutions. They see the real problems, not the excuses.
Which is why I'm hoping people can see where the folly is. My comments, anong others, should probably be moved to a dedicated thread, with anyone free to link to it at any time in any "Babe" thread. This comes up over and over.
Do you really need that question answered? Is it really "unanswered?" Or should I ask ...
Do you need a model to admit that, somehow, her chosen profession is "not respected" or somehow "beneath" other forms of commerce? Is that saying something about her? Or those asking?
So that makes her less ... "credible," as a member of society? Less "credible" as a person of commerce than others?
A matter of "taste" is always going to be subjective. But being a consumer, let alone not even a paying consumer, and complaining about a provider you want to give a service, blaming her for it, is just self-defeating.
it's obvious people feel "Cheated" because there is so much rant and rave about her. even when the moderator came to threaten to close the page. It stopped for a bit and then started again..
I guess what people are looking for is a straight answer.. Something like "yes I'm using my assets to get money " or something like that.. not to be dangled with illusions... I mean its obvious she's using her tits for money.. that's a given.. it's not her mind or even her personality..
Nothing wrong with that, people use the talents they've been given
I guess what people are looking for is a straight answer.. Something like "yes I'm using my assets to get money " or something like that.. not to be dangled with illusions... I mean its obvious she's using her tits for money.. that's a given.. it's not her mind or even her personality..
Nothing wrong with that, people use the talents they've been given
Rate her on the value of her website from that consumer aspect, and leave it at that. If she does not deliver as a provider, be a courteous consumer. You can even say you are joining another site if you want, because that model is more interactive and provides more or better content. Nothing wrong with pointing that out.
But this concept of "backlash" against models is self-defeating. I recognized the same years ago when Erica Campbell was still around. She was broadly popular, but then there was some backlash as well. And when she decided to change her values, there was quite a bit of ... how can I say this ... almost "attack." Even if I may have disagreed with her assertions of, by and for herself in a general sense (mostly blaming herself for the lust of other men going too far, of which she is not responsible for), I agreed with her making those decisions for herself, which no one else could but her.
In fact, I can really understand how some models do try to find a spiritual connection. They see men, and how they treat women, but then the same men will turn around and say, "Oh, if I only had you as a girlfriend, things would be different." Bullshit. How one treats your mother, sister or ex-girlfriend very much factors into how you will treat any other woman. It's not that you argue, but how you argue, what you drop to doing. That's on the men themselves.
Models undergo many aspects of guilt already, for things they are not remotely responsible for. I refuse to take the puritan approach, and I believe it is harmful for society as a whole. You look at entire Islamic cultures where it is oppressed instead of educated and proliferated, and you end up with the highest rates of reported (not to mention estimates of unreported) rape and sexual violations. The immaturity here in the US, and the primary issue of gossip that comes out of that sexual oppression, is far worse than any, healthy erotica I've ever seen myself.
And it scares me when people, at least too many fellow Americans, say their favorite "Sex Scenes" in various movies are those where it was an aggressive, possibly violent, nature. Given the level of violence widely accepted in US media, but the total ban on sexual activity -- replaced by endless, sometimes far more harmful, innuendo -- then it makes sense that some of the highest rated "Sex Scenes" by Americans are dangerously flirting with violence, constantly. It's the reason why American police, who are dealing with it every day, are totally at odds with American politicians on everything from laws to prosecutions. They see the real problems, not the excuses.
Which is why I'm hoping people can see where the folly is. My comments, anong others, should probably be moved to a dedicated thread, with anyone free to link to it at any time in any "Babe" thread. This comes up over and over.
Do you really need that question answered? Is it really "unanswered?" Or should I ask ...
Do you need a model to admit that, somehow, her chosen profession is "not respected" or somehow "beneath" other forms of commerce? Is that saying something about her? Or those asking?
So that makes her less ... "credible," as a member of society? Less "credible" as a person of commerce than others?
A matter of "taste" is always going to be subjective. But being a consumer, let alone not even a paying consumer, and complaining about a provider you want to give a service, blaming her for it, is just self-defeating.
A round of applause to you Member2019. Many of the points you bring up speak to the issue that the males in this forum have, and the issues that men have in this society as a whole. Thank you for bringing some much needed common sense and clarity into this thread.
It seems to me just because the women s choose to be glamour models or do porn, men feel as though they own these women in some way. Even those that aren't paying customers of the products and materials that these women are producing. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that there isn't any room for people to disagree with or not approve of the content that is being produced, but the way in which folks on this forum go about it is all wrong. There is a way to provide constructive criticism. Unfortunately, that isn't what has been going on in this thread. Too often, people resort to demeaning women in these fields of work (and in this case Wendy Fiore) because they don't comply to every demand that's made.
Speaking of Wendy Fiore, she hasn't cheated anyone. She has continuously made it clear that she is unwilling to show her go fully topless. The topic has come up quite a few times during the chats, and every time she shoots the idea down. She is aware that her success as a glamour model is do to the fact that she has large breast. There may be those that don't like her for her personality, but there are those that do. I'm not sure why that point is so hard for people to grasp. She has even admitted herself that she only got into this industry because she has large breast. To say that she thinks otherwise is completely wrong.
It seems to me just because the women s choose to be glamour models or do porn, men feel as though they own these women in some way. Even those that aren't paying customers of the products and materials that these women are producing. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that there isn't any room for people to disagree with or not approve of the content that is being produced, but the way in which folks on this forum go about it is all wrong. There is a way to provide constructive criticism. Unfortunately, that isn't what has been going on in this thread. Too often, people resort to demeaning women in these fields of work (and in this case Wendy Fiore) because they don't comply to every demand that's made.
Speaking of Wendy Fiore, she hasn't cheated anyone. She has continuously made it clear that she is unwilling to show her go fully topless. The topic has come up quite a few times during the chats, and every time she shoots the idea down. She is aware that her success as a glamour model is do to the fact that she has large breast. There may be those that don't like her for her personality, but there are those that do. I'm not sure why that point is so hard for people to grasp. She has even admitted herself that she only got into this industry because she has large breast. To say that she thinks otherwise is completely wrong.
A little reminder for everyone here: If you don't like a model, then don't post in the thread and don't start bullshit arguments on whatever regards her, because there are fans who like the model as she is. The next person who derails this thread, will get an infraction and if the person repeats the same mistake again by derailing the thread a second time, the punishment will be harsher. Thanks for your understanding.
I really don't understand. Can you please elaborate on what you mean by derailing the thread. We were in a constructive debate, and you come on here and give us a warning, as if we are bashing her. Why can't discuss how we feel on her thread. But please just come out and say people can only post good things, and I'll delete myself for you.
Indeed, a very valid complaint. She should commit herself to meeting the reasonable expectations of her customers. But I have never been a customer of hers, so I have no say in this matter.
I do rather enjoy the mgifs being posted though. Keep them coming and thank you!
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