The Next President of the United States?
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The problem is, we're pretty evenly divided. The Right feels like it's being railroaded right now and the Left feels exactly the same way. This under the same Administration, Court and Congress, so if there's any consensus at all, it's that there is no consensus, or that we're all getting fucked.
This is why I've been pushing for either re-education camps (i.e. a call for unity, albeit an enforced unity,) or Texas Secession so we could have two countries, each living according to their values.
The latter solution I find the most interesting because it would be a way to determine in the long run who was actually right. :2 cents:
the thing is there IS NO duopoly. There is no 'right' or 'left'. that just exists for political kabuki theatrics.
When you speak in terms of "left" and "right" with our current politicians, which candidate is pro-consumer, which one is anti-war? None....there is no real difference between "D" or "R" just the color of their pants.
There is one if you divide the candidates up into ones that work for the elite, rich, and powerful, and those that don't.
Unfortunately the ones that actually care about normal people the most tend to number around zero.
Well you guys are getting right to the heart of the matter. As you both note, the reality is we live in a plutocracy. To some degree it's always been that way, but over the 20th century the middle class got a really great lifestyle out of the deal.
Now things are going back the other direction. The gap between the rich and the middle-class his widening drastically, and it seems like the solution being presented to the country's problems are to fuck the working guy in the ass with no lube.
The real question is do we support the rights of the rich to buy larger yachts, or the right of working people to job security, affordable healthcare, and some semblance of retirement?
You guys kinda jumped the gun with Perry. I am still thinking it is gonna come down to Romney and "Rock You" like a Herman Cain. Whether you think he is electable or not, he certainly is surprising a lot of people with his move up in the polls. I saw him on Meet The Press this morning and was impressed.
Someone mentioned the other day that Cain is polling at near 30% with black voters. If that is true, that is huge. But you also have to factor in the number of racist scum that will not vote for a black man under any circumstance. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Ron Paul should be, but once again the dumbass Republicans will pick a moron as the chosen one. So Obama will be reelected.
Rey C.
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I find it rather interesting that the moralistic far right would latch onto stories by a homosexual pedophile, who died virtually broke in his sister's home, as an example of "how to make it in America." I had a teacher in elementary school who had us read Alger's stories. But during a literature class in high school, it came up that Alger was forced out of a church position over charges of having "unnatural relations" with young boys... and his stories tended to be about young boys being swooped out of poverty by wealthy, older (unmarried) men. :wtf:
My father was a great example of a man who pulled himself up by his own bootstraps. He was born in the early part of the last century and had to drop out of school to work on the family farm during the Great Depression. And over the course of his life he was able to acquire a fair amount of land and property. He was exceptional (especially in my eyes), but a man without a college degree (or even a high school diploma) could still work his way up years ago. But for that to happen now, with or without a college degree, that story would have to take on a mythical Horatio Alger theme.
Especially with the decline in the American educational system and the willingness of Americans to take care of others before their own, I think it's increasingly likely that whatever socio-economic class you're born into, that's the one you will die in... if you're lucky. I agree with Ike Stain: the middle class is being fucked... by both sides of the aisle. One side cares mostly about the poor, while the other cares mostly about the (true) rich. And one thing about that, I figure that a poor person knows that he's poor. But it tickles the shit out of me when I see comments by (obviously) middle class people, lamenting any more "burdens" on the wealthy. Chickens who stay up nights worried about Colonel Sanders' health. Yeah, that absolutely tickles the shit out of me. Only in America! :rofl2:
Cool campaign "commerciail" :yesyes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhDhDRvHaGs
I'd have no problem with a Perry presidency. I'm more of a Cain supporter butI wouldn't hesitate to vote for Perry if Cain doesn't get the candidacy. Ron Paul sort of scares me for some reason (maybe it's the Ron Paul supporters I've met in real life....:tinhat
So, yes, I'd vote for Perry, but just as long as we get to see more of Katie Perry on the news then...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhDhDRvHaGs
I'd have no problem with a Perry presidency. I'm more of a Cain supporter butI wouldn't hesitate to vote for Perry if Cain doesn't get the candidacy. Ron Paul sort of scares me for some reason (maybe it's the Ron Paul supporters I've met in real life....:tinhat
So, yes, I'd vote for Perry, but just as long as we get to see more of Katie Perry on the news then...:rofl2: Save a pretzel for the gas jets!
Joe Biden will be the next president.
which one is that?:dunno:
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Cain, he's unapologetically pro American, he's a great family man off camera, he's learned in the sciences, he's unpretentious - straightforward, he understands that cuts are a necessary function of maintaining sustainability in both business and politics, he's mindful of the contribution of taxpayers, he's pro prosperity, he's a self acclaimed ''dark horse candidate'':1orglaugh, he's an engaging personality and he's an ex navy ballistician... what's not to like about him?
Joe would get lost on Pennsylvania avenue!
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Sometimes I get the impression that the most effective campaigning for a new president comes from the former president.
This seemed to have been the case with what Bush did.
After his two terms, the people must have been so mad that they went for the other guy.
So I believe, if Obama does not seriously traumatize the USA in a way Bush did, not enough voters will step up and vote him off.
Looking from the outside, he has made some big steps that would make voters say, 'Well, that was a nice thing to do', like getting Health Care underway and getting Osama Bin Laden taken down.
If he manages to make some major steps like those in the next months, I believe the Republicans have not so much of a chance.
But hey, I am looking from outside, so I don't really know how you guys tick :2 cents:
This seemed to have been the case with what Bush did.
After his two terms, the people must have been so mad that they went for the other guy.
So I believe, if Obama does not seriously traumatize the USA in a way Bush did, not enough voters will step up and vote him off.
Looking from the outside, he has made some big steps that would make voters say, 'Well, that was a nice thing to do', like getting Health Care underway and getting Osama Bin Laden taken down.
If he manages to make some major steps like those in the next months, I believe the Republicans have not so much of a chance.
But hey, I am looking from outside, so I don't really know how you guys tick :2 cents:
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