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The Beautiful Chloe Jones Passes Away
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It is very sad.
Yes, very sad indeed at only 29, especially for her children. Thoughts & prayers to her friends and family .
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I just read this thread and got me really sad, I am a fan of Chloe's and still can't believe this bad news... it's so depressing... I need some wine.
I only wish she enjoyed her short life, and I am sorry for her kids
One song for you... "Can't cry hard enough" by Williams Brothers
I'm really gonna miss you
R.I.P. Melinda
I only wish she enjoyed her short life, and I am sorry for her kids
One song for you... "Can't cry hard enough" by Williams Brothers
I'm really gonna miss you
R.I.P. Melinda
With all due respect to people...this is getting a bit out of hand.
We are talking about a person that (I assume) none of you ever knew personally. It's sad and all...but many of you people sound like you just lost your personal friend.
If she was ugly, none of you would be going on like this.
4 U.S. soldiers died in Iraq today (apparently). Now I was/am against the war in Iraq. But even I have to acknoledge that these people volunteered for a duty (probably) because they thought they were helping their country (and maybe the world). Naive, maybe. But a noble sentiment nonetheless.
But you never hear any of the over 1600 men and women of the U.S. military who died over their mentioned in a thread. Not even by Americans. But one once gorgeous pornstar dies at 29 and the thread goes on and on.
And say what you want about the war over there (which, as I typed, I think is silly and the U.S. should get out); is anyone suggesting that any of those 1600 were less worthy of praise and RIP's then a once beautiful pornstar? And most of them were much younger then Chloe Jones was.
Oh, but hers was sudden. We don't know how it happened? She was a troubled person who led a fast life with some medical problems. No wonder she is dead. I wish (especially for her kids sake) that she was not. And if it was from natural causes, that would be sad. But I bet you her lifestyle contributed, in some way, to her early demise. And she picked her lifestyle. So her death, as far as I am concerned is at least partly of her own doing - until I hear eveidence to the contrary.
And like I said...if she was a run-of-the-mill looking pornstar; no one would have mentioned it. But because she was once a babe; many act like they will miss her so much.
You should miss her no more then any other human being that you never knew personally. She was no better or worse. Just, at one time, MUCH better looking.
So I am not saying shame on some of you or anything. But she is not the first pornstar to die recently. But she is the best looking that has died in a LONG time. So she gets the longest and most heart felt sounding R.I.P.'s.
So the bottom line is; sorry people; but some of you are, at this point in your lives, rather too focused on looks and star power. If she was just an average looking pornstar - few of you would have noticed or cared. And to me, that is kind of sad. Not horrible. Just kinda sad.
We are talking about a person that (I assume) none of you ever knew personally. It's sad and all...but many of you people sound like you just lost your personal friend.
If she was ugly, none of you would be going on like this.
4 U.S. soldiers died in Iraq today (apparently). Now I was/am against the war in Iraq. But even I have to acknoledge that these people volunteered for a duty (probably) because they thought they were helping their country (and maybe the world). Naive, maybe. But a noble sentiment nonetheless.
But you never hear any of the over 1600 men and women of the U.S. military who died over their mentioned in a thread. Not even by Americans. But one once gorgeous pornstar dies at 29 and the thread goes on and on.
And say what you want about the war over there (which, as I typed, I think is silly and the U.S. should get out); is anyone suggesting that any of those 1600 were less worthy of praise and RIP's then a once beautiful pornstar? And most of them were much younger then Chloe Jones was.
Oh, but hers was sudden. We don't know how it happened? She was a troubled person who led a fast life with some medical problems. No wonder she is dead. I wish (especially for her kids sake) that she was not. And if it was from natural causes, that would be sad. But I bet you her lifestyle contributed, in some way, to her early demise. And she picked her lifestyle. So her death, as far as I am concerned is at least partly of her own doing - until I hear eveidence to the contrary.
And like I said...if she was a run-of-the-mill looking pornstar; no one would have mentioned it. But because she was once a babe; many act like they will miss her so much.
You should miss her no more then any other human being that you never knew personally. She was no better or worse. Just, at one time, MUCH better looking.
So I am not saying shame on some of you or anything. But she is not the first pornstar to die recently. But she is the best looking that has died in a LONG time. So she gets the longest and most heart felt sounding R.I.P.'s.
So the bottom line is; sorry people; but some of you are, at this point in your lives, rather too focused on looks and star power. If she was just an average looking pornstar - few of you would have noticed or cared. And to me, that is kind of sad. Not horrible. Just kinda sad.
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mcrocket said:
I'll try to explain some of my thoughts about your post mcrocket: (once more your relentless thinking calls my attention)
Yeah... Certainly people die everyday and no one notices, or seems to care, I know it because I come from a country where violence is your everyday morning bread, the number of people killed daily in the civil war in my country exceeds highly the number of americans that die daily in Iraq. Now I live outside my country and reading the news of what happens there just makes me sick, knowing that my family still is there worries me constantly. American soldiers killed in Iraq are just a sample of the cruel reality the whole world faces everyday, everybody has their own tragedy, but the fact is that you can't make a requiem for every one that dies in the world. I for one was never a fan of any of the american soldiers killed in Iraq, I never knew anything about them before the everyday news. But I was a fan of Chloe and the news made me really sad, so I just wanted to post something for her, as well as I might have done if I had liked her and she hadn't been such a babe or if it had been the X person who dies but has touched my feelings, but... If I posted the fact that Pablo Perez who was really cool but a really unpopular guy died two weeks ago what could have been your answer? I bet you would have just skipped the post because there's no chance that you might have known anything about him, or at most you might have wrote... sorry man.
Yeah, Chloe's lifestile might have contributed to her death, I must concede that to you, but it doesn't mean that she didn't exist, and this happens to be a board where you post mostly about pornstars, this is their space, just as I am sure that there must be spaces devoted specifically to soldiers killed in Iraq. Thus... why not say something here about how I feel for Chloe's death? where else could I post it? I might have never known her personally, but I was certainly an admirer of her.
I'm sure you'll understand my position mcrocket, if not... I am sure you will provide me with another interesting position that I know you have :thumbsup:
You never really care about death unless it knocks on your door
Regards :wave2:
Another well written, thoughtful post from Stark.
And, yes this is a porn forum. And I may have gone a bit overboard (as usual)...lol. ANd you make some very good points. And I regret that my post happened to come right after yours. And I am sorry that you are as well aquainted with death as you seem to be. And I do not expect a porn forum to list dead US soldiers.
Actually, I think I know far less about death then you seem to. But I have lost several freinds, both parents, my brother to suicide, and his two brothers to suicide and all four grandparents. That does not even begin to compare to what is apparently happening in your home country. But I do know a little about the subject. But not that much.
But I guess what I was trying to get across was that many people on here use women terribly. As do I.
But they lust for them, want them to get fucked by two guys, five guys, ten guys. In the ass, two dicks in the ass. double penetrations. Talk about them (Chloe Jones included) like they are sex robots that for some reason, owe us (myself included) 'preverted' males all the sex we want. That they should perform as we wish. And then many assume they love it. And then these men (and women) tell these virtual sex dolls that 'I love you baby.' and 'Owww, she's SO sweet and nice.' And now when they are dead, it's like oh she was great and gave so much pleasure to others. She will be so missed. What a tragedy.
I sware it's like many treat them like sex robots. and like many inanimate objects that we become fond of (like cars or boats, etc.) we start giving them personalities. Heck, I cried when I my favourite car got rolled when I was much younger.
I am no expert, or even close to it. But it seems to me that most of these women are not nearly as happy at their work as they appear to be. That this lifestyle causes many women far more pain then happiness. And that many of these pornstars that died young would probably still be alive were it not for us perverts providing them money for their services. Because without the money, they sure aren't going to take seven guys at once on camera for the world to see.
And I think that instinctively, most guys know that. But to cover up any guilt that arises from that thought, they instead turn these sex playthings into 'friends' or buddies'. SO they talk of Chloe Jones like someone they knew.
What we should all say instead - and I should have also - is (IMO)...
Very sorry you died Chloe Jones. I hope all the money we guys paid you to get you to act like a trained sex seal didn't contribute to your death in any way. And if it did...I am truly sorry.
I have not read any posts from you talking down about these women. So my comments should not apply to you. Just the guys that think of these gals as, well, you know what I mean.
BTW I really like your signature on your personal page. The Princess Bride.
My favourite line(s) was/were...'INCONCEIVABLE!'
And, yes this is a porn forum. And I may have gone a bit overboard (as usual)...lol. ANd you make some very good points. And I regret that my post happened to come right after yours. And I am sorry that you are as well aquainted with death as you seem to be. And I do not expect a porn forum to list dead US soldiers.
Actually, I think I know far less about death then you seem to. But I have lost several freinds, both parents, my brother to suicide, and his two brothers to suicide and all four grandparents. That does not even begin to compare to what is apparently happening in your home country. But I do know a little about the subject. But not that much.
But I guess what I was trying to get across was that many people on here use women terribly. As do I.
But they lust for them, want them to get fucked by two guys, five guys, ten guys. In the ass, two dicks in the ass. double penetrations. Talk about them (Chloe Jones included) like they are sex robots that for some reason, owe us (myself included) 'preverted' males all the sex we want. That they should perform as we wish. And then many assume they love it. And then these men (and women) tell these virtual sex dolls that 'I love you baby.' and 'Owww, she's SO sweet and nice.' And now when they are dead, it's like oh she was great and gave so much pleasure to others. She will be so missed. What a tragedy.
I sware it's like many treat them like sex robots. and like many inanimate objects that we become fond of (like cars or boats, etc.) we start giving them personalities. Heck, I cried when I my favourite car got rolled when I was much younger.
I am no expert, or even close to it. But it seems to me that most of these women are not nearly as happy at their work as they appear to be. That this lifestyle causes many women far more pain then happiness. And that many of these pornstars that died young would probably still be alive were it not for us perverts providing them money for their services. Because without the money, they sure aren't going to take seven guys at once on camera for the world to see.
And I think that instinctively, most guys know that. But to cover up any guilt that arises from that thought, they instead turn these sex playthings into 'friends' or buddies'. SO they talk of Chloe Jones like someone they knew.
What we should all say instead - and I should have also - is (IMO)...
Very sorry you died Chloe Jones. I hope all the money we guys paid you to get you to act like a trained sex seal didn't contribute to your death in any way. And if it did...I am truly sorry.
I have not read any posts from you talking down about these women. So my comments should not apply to you. Just the guys that think of these gals as, well, you know what I mean.
BTW I really like your signature on your personal page. The Princess Bride.
My favourite line(s) was/were...'INCONCEIVABLE!'
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Chloe Jones Passed Away
Here is a bit of sad news for all of us here. She was only 29. The article is at http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary_Navigation=Articles&Action=View_Article&Content_ID=229373
Here is a bit of sad news for all of us here. She was only 29. The article is at http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary_Navigation=Articles&Action=View_Article&Content_ID=229373
Here is her obituary... http://www.legacy.com/houstonchronicle/LegacySubPage2.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonID=14192462
---- :angels:mcrocket said:
Thanks mcrocket, I knew you would say something more about this topic, yeah, what you mention is indeed a very tough problem, and I absolutely agree with you in that altough we are not the infrastructure of the porn industry, we are it's support, I'm sure none of these women really like to do stuff like bizarre sex, they must feel like circus freaks, and it is us with our money that degrade them. You made a very good point there, we are so into porn that we forget that it is in fact a mafia, I see crystal clear your objections in this thread.
I wonder what could we do with respect to this... we like porn... that's obvious, and for doing it the life of many people go to waste, should we become sex puritans instead? hmmm... I don't think that's a good idea either, one of the most enjoyable things about having sex with a partner is that you can sometimes do kinky stuff (but not going extreme!) and porn can be a source of good ideas to break the routine... I don't know :dunno: ... what do you think?, as you reminded me... it's INCONCEIVABLE! :glugglug:
PS. thx for reminding me to use my signature, and I'm glad you also liked the movie!
I was pleased to read your post. Good questions - I think. I'd give you rep; but I have to 'spread it around' first.
I think just public dialogue, like you and I are having right now, can help things a bit. Yes, I pay for porn. And yes, I should not. But, unfortunetly; I have such little else in my life at present that gives me the same degree of part time thrill - as it were - that I don't seem to be able to stop. Which makes me a weak man.
But, no one is holding a gun to these gals heads to do this - I assume.
I just think that the customers and the actresses should try and not make the whole profession out to be like a big fun game. It isn't. It seems to be a profession that can be VERY hard on the women in it. No matter how much they claim to love it.
I think the actresses should act more like prostitutes. Look as good as they can. Take their money. Do their jobs. And leave it at that. Try to keep the 'glamour' side of it out. Try not to make it seem fun. It is simple reinbursement for a sexual service. Nothing more.
I just wish the masses looked at it that way.
I think it also helps that women are beginning to more and more take control of their careers.
I just think that the more honest the industry is and the customers are with themselves - the better off both will be.
But, unfortunetly, all of this changing anytime soon is........
...INCONCEIVABLE!!!
I think just public dialogue, like you and I are having right now, can help things a bit. Yes, I pay for porn. And yes, I should not. But, unfortunetly; I have such little else in my life at present that gives me the same degree of part time thrill - as it were - that I don't seem to be able to stop. Which makes me a weak man.
But, no one is holding a gun to these gals heads to do this - I assume.
I just think that the customers and the actresses should try and not make the whole profession out to be like a big fun game. It isn't. It seems to be a profession that can be VERY hard on the women in it. No matter how much they claim to love it.
I think the actresses should act more like prostitutes. Look as good as they can. Take their money. Do their jobs. And leave it at that. Try to keep the 'glamour' side of it out. Try not to make it seem fun. It is simple reinbursement for a sexual service. Nothing more.
I just wish the masses looked at it that way.
I think it also helps that women are beginning to more and more take control of their careers.
I just think that the more honest the industry is and the customers are with themselves - the better off both will be.
But, unfortunetly, all of this changing anytime soon is........
...INCONCEIVABLE!!!
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It seems like a thread starting as a tribute to a young lady who died way before her time has morphed into a philosophical discussion about the sociology of the porn profession. Which is great because it's time to move on and I can't think of a better way to do that than to almost completely disagree with the above post.
First of all I think we're putting the cart in front of the horse to assume the business takes a bunch of snow white pure, well adjusted young ladies and turns them into depressed, drug addled miscreants who no longer have any direction in life. No, I think it's way more often the case that these woman already have problems and that is precisely why they end up in the porn business, alot of them are fucked up to begin with, it's a haven and an outlet for the downtrodden. I'm sure there's a few, like Bridgette Kerkove and Jewel D'nyle, that are absolute sex machines who do it for the pure enjoyment. And there's a few who enjoy it enough to do it but are also astute enough in a business sense to make a career out of it, like Jenna and Jill Kelly. But the mass of them fall somewhere in between, trying to keep the weight off, keep the money rolling in, and keep the head clear enough to catch some loads with it. It's up to the performers, not the audience who pays them, to keep their wits about themselves. Money spent on pornography does not provide them a vehicle in which to take the express lane to the moral sewer, it provides them with an OPPORTUNITY they otherwise would never have had.
Crocket I'm not trying to dis you at all, I really like the thoughtfulness of your post and the fact that you had the balls to take this thread in a different direction, but the following statement was hilarious: "I think the actresses should act more like prostitutes. Look as good as they can. Take their money. Do their jobs. And leave it at that. Try to keep the 'glamour' side of it out. Try not to make it seem fun. It is simple reinbursement for a sexual service. Nothing more." - The viewers of porn like it precisely because it is NOT what prostitution is. If all porn chicks just looked good, took their money, and did their jobs then we'd have a thousand Chasey Lains and Kira Kenners out there boring the shit out of us. Porno is a huge hit because it is glamorous, because it is larger than life, and because it'll make you believe that, yes, apparently their are really hot girls out their who want you AND your 4 buddies to fuck her up the ass and cum on her face. And I don't know what kind of prostitutes you visit but when I think of porn chicks acting like them I picture them hooked on crack, beaten up by pimps, and dying from some street cause before age 30. But when I think of porn, I think of the hottest girl in my high school, except now she brought her hot friend with her and they need to know which one gives better head. And it's their responsibility to make it through life on their own two feet (and occasionally on their backs), not mine.
I think the industry and the customers are pretty honest with themselves. The industry says here's a bunch of good looking freaks who are gonna perform some really extreme acts for your enjoyment, while we pay them a small portion of the money you just gave us. And the customers honestly say Great! here's some money, now get out of my way, I gotta go beat off.
First of all I think we're putting the cart in front of the horse to assume the business takes a bunch of snow white pure, well adjusted young ladies and turns them into depressed, drug addled miscreants who no longer have any direction in life. No, I think it's way more often the case that these woman already have problems and that is precisely why they end up in the porn business, alot of them are fucked up to begin with, it's a haven and an outlet for the downtrodden. I'm sure there's a few, like Bridgette Kerkove and Jewel D'nyle, that are absolute sex machines who do it for the pure enjoyment. And there's a few who enjoy it enough to do it but are also astute enough in a business sense to make a career out of it, like Jenna and Jill Kelly. But the mass of them fall somewhere in between, trying to keep the weight off, keep the money rolling in, and keep the head clear enough to catch some loads with it. It's up to the performers, not the audience who pays them, to keep their wits about themselves. Money spent on pornography does not provide them a vehicle in which to take the express lane to the moral sewer, it provides them with an OPPORTUNITY they otherwise would never have had.
Crocket I'm not trying to dis you at all, I really like the thoughtfulness of your post and the fact that you had the balls to take this thread in a different direction, but the following statement was hilarious: "I think the actresses should act more like prostitutes. Look as good as they can. Take their money. Do their jobs. And leave it at that. Try to keep the 'glamour' side of it out. Try not to make it seem fun. It is simple reinbursement for a sexual service. Nothing more." - The viewers of porn like it precisely because it is NOT what prostitution is. If all porn chicks just looked good, took their money, and did their jobs then we'd have a thousand Chasey Lains and Kira Kenners out there boring the shit out of us. Porno is a huge hit because it is glamorous, because it is larger than life, and because it'll make you believe that, yes, apparently their are really hot girls out their who want you AND your 4 buddies to fuck her up the ass and cum on her face. And I don't know what kind of prostitutes you visit but when I think of porn chicks acting like them I picture them hooked on crack, beaten up by pimps, and dying from some street cause before age 30. But when I think of porn, I think of the hottest girl in my high school, except now she brought her hot friend with her and they need to know which one gives better head. And it's their responsibility to make it through life on their own two feet (and occasionally on their backs), not mine.
I think the industry and the customers are pretty honest with themselves. The industry says here's a bunch of good looking freaks who are gonna perform some really extreme acts for your enjoyment, while we pay them a small portion of the money you just gave us. And the customers honestly say Great! here's some money, now get out of my way, I gotta go beat off.
Well, thanks for the compliment. And you make some interesting points. And you spell it out; more or less; how it really is. Which is more or less all I want all to do.
I honestly do not think that everyone sees it THAT clearly. Most? Probably. But not all. And not all the time. And that is all I want, really.
And, btw. I believe up until about 20 years or so ago; pornography was considered prostitution in the Untied States. But then the Supreme Court called it art. And it became legal.
And that is what porn is - prostitution. Someone paying someone else to have sex (which I think should be legal anyways). So pornstars ARE - in essence - prostitutes. So all I am asking is for them to treat it like it really is.
So my question is: do you think women like Chloe Jones' lives would be better or worse if pornography did not exist?
I think the answer to that is a big 'better'.
Yes, many are probably fucked up before they get into it. But one of the reasons these women get SO fucked up - in my opinion - is because of all the quick, 'easy' money available. And as someone who once had ALOT of quick easy money; I can tell you; take a person who is a bit lost inside; give them a shitload of easy money and they will probably end up VERY lost inside.
No matter what your profession. Then add on the self esteem lowering that the sex trade can do to people.
No, if the pornstars made it look less glamourous. And more like what I have been told, read and heard that it really is - not glamorous at all most of the time. Then the fantasy would be less for the guys. And the guys would like it less and use it less. And the industry would shrink. And that can only be a good thing - to me.
But, that obviously wil not happen any time soon. If ever, in my lifetime anyway.
No, I still believe the adult entertainment industry causes far more harm then good. And just that (to me) fact alone means that it should be looked at more carefully. The status quo may be fine for you and I. We buy porn; whack off and forget it. But the women have to live with every scene they do for the rest of their lives.
There is something not right about that. Very not right.
Oh, and for the record. I had sex with a hooker once over twenty years ago, and that was it. I have spent time with alot of them since and (used to) get high with some of them. But the thought of paying someone to have sex with me if they are not attracted to me doesn't turn me on in the slightest.
Why it turns other men on is beyond me. Must be because they have WAY over inflated opinions of either themselves or how others see them. And that probably more then any other reason is why porn thrives. Most guys think they are MUCH more attractive then they are. Or, they think women are much less interested in looks then they really are.
I got news for you guys (apparently). They like looks almost as much as you do. Especially the younger ones. They will almost NEVER admit that - on the job. But they do. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. We want babes. Why shouldn't they?
So that's the solution. Somehow slip sodium pentathol into every adult industry workers food on a daily basis and presto! Almost no more pron industry.
Fan/porn freak 'Oh Megan Starlet. Do you really think I am good looking?
Megan (not on truth drug) - 'Oh sure baby. Your a cutie.'
Same woman on truth drug - 'Good looking? You? get real. I wouldn't give you the time of day without the cash. Oh, and honey? Forget what I said before. Truth is; of course size (to a point) matters. Why the fuck would it not?'
That's the solution.
I honestly do not think that everyone sees it THAT clearly. Most? Probably. But not all. And not all the time. And that is all I want, really.
And, btw. I believe up until about 20 years or so ago; pornography was considered prostitution in the Untied States. But then the Supreme Court called it art. And it became legal.
And that is what porn is - prostitution. Someone paying someone else to have sex (which I think should be legal anyways). So pornstars ARE - in essence - prostitutes. So all I am asking is for them to treat it like it really is.
So my question is: do you think women like Chloe Jones' lives would be better or worse if pornography did not exist?
I think the answer to that is a big 'better'.
Yes, many are probably fucked up before they get into it. But one of the reasons these women get SO fucked up - in my opinion - is because of all the quick, 'easy' money available. And as someone who once had ALOT of quick easy money; I can tell you; take a person who is a bit lost inside; give them a shitload of easy money and they will probably end up VERY lost inside.
No matter what your profession. Then add on the self esteem lowering that the sex trade can do to people.
No, if the pornstars made it look less glamourous. And more like what I have been told, read and heard that it really is - not glamorous at all most of the time. Then the fantasy would be less for the guys. And the guys would like it less and use it less. And the industry would shrink. And that can only be a good thing - to me.
But, that obviously wil not happen any time soon. If ever, in my lifetime anyway.
No, I still believe the adult entertainment industry causes far more harm then good. And just that (to me) fact alone means that it should be looked at more carefully. The status quo may be fine for you and I. We buy porn; whack off and forget it. But the women have to live with every scene they do for the rest of their lives.
There is something not right about that. Very not right.
Oh, and for the record. I had sex with a hooker once over twenty years ago, and that was it. I have spent time with alot of them since and (used to) get high with some of them. But the thought of paying someone to have sex with me if they are not attracted to me doesn't turn me on in the slightest.
Why it turns other men on is beyond me. Must be because they have WAY over inflated opinions of either themselves or how others see them. And that probably more then any other reason is why porn thrives. Most guys think they are MUCH more attractive then they are. Or, they think women are much less interested in looks then they really are.
I got news for you guys (apparently). They like looks almost as much as you do. Especially the younger ones. They will almost NEVER admit that - on the job. But they do. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. We want babes. Why shouldn't they?
So that's the solution. Somehow slip sodium pentathol into every adult industry workers food on a daily basis and presto! Almost no more pron industry.
Fan/porn freak 'Oh Megan Starlet. Do you really think I am good looking?
Megan (not on truth drug) - 'Oh sure baby. Your a cutie.'
Same woman on truth drug - 'Good looking? You? get real. I wouldn't give you the time of day without the cash. Oh, and honey? Forget what I said before. Truth is; of course size (to a point) matters. Why the fuck would it not?'
That's the solution.
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