jod0565 said:Jones’ best friend, Karen Struble, said the cause of her passing was not yet known.
Unbelievable.
Sad news like this always gets me.
mcrocket said:Well, thanks for the compliment. And you make some interesting points. And you spell it out; more or less; how it really is. Which is more or less all I want all to do.
I honestly do not think that everyone sees it THAT clearly. Most? Probably. But not all. And not all the time. And that is all I want, really.
And, btw. I believe up until about 20 years or so ago; pornography was considered prostitution in the Untied States. But then the Supreme Court called it art. And it became legal.
And that is what porn is - prostitution. Someone paying someone else to have sex (which I think should be legal anyways). So pornstars ARE - in essence - prostitutes. So all I am asking is for them to treat it like it really is.
So my question is: do you think women like Chloe Jones' lives would be better or worse if pornography did not exist?
I think the answer to that is a big 'better'.
Yes, many are probably fucked up before they get into it. But one of the reasons these women get SO fucked up - in my opinion - is because of all the quick, 'easy' money available. And as someone who once had ALOT of quick easy money; I can tell you; take a person who is a bit lost inside; give them a shitload of easy money and they will probably end up VERY lost inside.
No matter what your profession. Then add on the self esteem lowering that the sex trade can do to people.
No, if the pornstars made it look less glamourous. And more like what I have been told, read and heard that it really is - not glamorous at all most of the time. Then the fantasy would be less for the guys. And the guys would like it less and use it less. And the industry would shrink. And that can only be a good thing - to me.
But, that obviously wil not happen any time soon. If ever, in my lifetime anyway.
No, I still believe the adult entertainment industry causes far more harm then good. And just that (to me) fact alone means that it should be looked at more carefully. The status quo may be fine for you and I. We buy porn; whack off and forget it. But the women have to live with every scene they do for the rest of their lives.
There is something not right about that. Very not right.
Oh, and for the record. I had sex with a hooker once over twenty years ago, and that was it. I have spent time with alot of them since and (used to) get high with some of them. But the thought of paying someone to have sex with me if they are not attracted to me doesn't turn me on in the slightest.
Why it turns other men on is beyond me. Must be because they have WAY over inflated opinions of either themselves or how others see them. And that probably more then any other reason is why porn thrives. Most guys think they are MUCH more attractive then they are. Or, they think women are much less interested in looks then they really are.
I got news for you guys (apparently). They like looks almost as much as you do. Especially the younger ones. They will almost NEVER admit that - on the job. But they do. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. We want babes. Why shouldn't they?
So that's the solution. Somehow slip sodium pentathol into every adult industry workers food on a daily basis and presto! Almost no more pron industry.
Fan/porn freak 'Oh Megan Starlet. Do you really think I am good looking?
Megan (not on truth drug) - 'Oh sure baby. Your a cutie.'
Same woman on truth drug - 'Good looking? You? get real. I wouldn't give you the time of day without the cash. Oh, and honey? Forget what I said before. Truth is; of course size (to a point) matters. Why the fuck would it not?'
That's the solution.
Peter Gazinya said:You can only blame the choices people make, not the options that they have .
mcrocket said:I guess this is one of those 'agree to disagree' situations.
Peter Gazinya said:Yeah, I guess it is. Except for one thing: I have more rep points than you so I must be right? LOL. Seriously, though, I have a great outlook on the human spirit and an individual's ability to prevail over incredible odds but you and I both know there's bad apples in every bushel. Like Tommy Lee Jones' character in Men In Black said when telling Will Smith that the world couldn't handle the truth: "No, a PERSON is smart but PEOPLE are stupid". I don't know if that analogy means shit but I think it gets a point accross. Anyway, great to have this discussion but let's agree we've both made great points and move along and let those who are grieving over Chloe have their thread back. :glugglug:
lol too true!mcrocket said:Fair enough.
but when I read posts like those right above you (deeply in love'), even though I assume they are exaggerating. It makes me cringe and makes me realize that people need more truth in their lives, not less.
There is never any such thing as too much truth. Never. And if people cannot handle it...too bad. They will eventually. No offense.
Later.
underneath said:I remember the time searchin silent some adult pics on the computer of my father, and then i found some pics of chloe jones. since this day i noticed that i love pornstars.
mcrocket said:With all due respect to people...this is getting a bit out of hand.
We are talking about a person that (I assume) none of you ever knew personally. It's sad and all...but many of you people sound like you just lost your personal friend.
If she was ugly, none of you would be going on like this.
4 U.S. soldiers died in Iraq today (apparently). Now I was/am against the war in Iraq. But even I have to acknoledge that these people volunteered for a duty (probably) because they thought they were helping their country (and maybe the world). Naive, maybe. But a noble sentiment nonetheless.
But you never hear any of the over 1600 men and women of the U.S. military who died over their mentioned in a thread. Not even by Americans. But one once gorgeous pornstar dies at 29 and the thread goes on and on.
And say what you want about the war over there (which, as I typed, I think is silly and the U.S. should get out); is anyone suggesting that any of those 1600 were less worthy of praise and RIP's then a once beautiful pornstar? And most of them were much younger then Chloe Jones was.
Oh, but hers was sudden. We don't know how it happened? She was a troubled person who led a fast life with some medical problems. No wonder she is dead. I wish (especially for her kids sake) that she was not. And if it was from natural causes, that would be sad. But I bet you her lifestyle contributed, in some way, to her early demise. And she picked her lifestyle. So her death, as far as I am concerned is at least partly of her own doing - until I hear eveidence to the contrary.
And like I said...if she was a run-of-the-mill looking pornstar; no one would have mentioned it. But because she was once a babe; many act like they will miss her so much.
You should miss her no more then any other human being that you never knew personally. She was no better or worse. Just, at one time, MUCH better looking.
So I am not saying shame on some of you or anything. But she is not the first pornstar to die recently. But she is the best looking that has died in a LONG time. So she gets the longest and most heart felt sounding R.I.P.'s.
So the bottom line is; sorry people; but some of you are, at this point in your lives, rather too focused on looks and star power. If she was just an average looking pornstar - few of you would have noticed or cared. And to me, that is kind of sad. Not horrible. Just kinda sad.
x4g63x said:That was why I wanted some respect. I was not in Baghdad, but I was an active Infantryman, and I DID see action, I don't care what someone looks like, death is a horrable thing to see.
I understand death, I have had to tell wives that there husbands loved them. I know what those who Chloe knew are going through.
Still I was kinda a dick about it, sorry.