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Pentagon crash 9/11
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lovejoy said:
1. I wouldn't call a little over 10 months immediate. But after all of the debris had been cleared away and the various and sundry ivestigators had taken all of the data that they could from the site, the repair and reconstruction of the Pentagon began and went on 24/7 until it was completed, no taking off for holidays or anything like that.
I have yet to see any believable evidence or cites that prove the government destroyed evidence at the WTT site, the Pentagon or the Flight 93 crash site, until after the investigators had declared that they had gathered all of the evidence that they could.
3.The Black Boxes were recovered and some, but not all of the information on them has been released. But if you think you are going to get full motion capture video or crap like that off of them, you're dead wrong. For the most part it's instrument readings and cockpit recorders, but if the hijackers didn't say anything or talk to air traffic controllers, whcih they didn't then there wouldn't be any sound.
4. See #1.
5. I have no fucking clue what you are on about here.
dont worry about my husband... i havent been around for a few days and very rarely in the past 3 weeks.
no me=no sex
so his posts have been a little extreme. and thats an understatement after reading this thread LOL
XOXO
no me=no sex
so his posts have been a little extreme. and thats an understatement after reading this thread LOL
XOXO
miss_juballs said:
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That indeed explains a lot...
Thanks for clearing that up. Next time he'll post weird stuff we'll think about this "special situation" he's in.
Oh my...this is so true and the news on the street now...President Bush took a break from his vacation in Crawford and personally soloed a Piper Cherokee over the Gulf of Mexico in a devious plot to seed hurricane Katrina, causing it to eliminate the predominantly Democrat city of New Orleans. He sure is maniacal!!! You believers of this bullshit are LOSERS!!!
Jim It's all good!!! Condy Rice in '08!!!
Jim It's all good!!! Condy Rice in '08!!!
The conspiracy theories have no sense. They are typical from Michael Moore shitty movies. Why would it be a conspiracy? It doesn't make sense. Some cases and infos were never revealed to the people, we never know till this day the exact conditions of kennedy's assasination. Here also we will never know what exactly happened. In my honest Opinion, the plane was hi jacked and was forced to crash into the Pentagon.
On a bit of a side note (and it was mentioned here).
I am assuming that Flight 93 (the one that crashed outside of Pittsburgh) WAS shot down by the Air Force. But the administration (or somebody) apparently wants that covered up.
If that is true; I think they needn't bother. I have no problem if the Air Force shot down that airliner; in fact, if they weren't at least on the way to shooting it down when it did go down; I would find that very incompetent on the Air Force's part.
As soon as the last of the first three planes hit their targets; everything else in the air should have been targeted for destruction by the air force almost immediately. Especially Flight 93; which was off course and had apparently turned off it's transponder.
Even if the passengers had gotten control of the plane. They were still probably doomed.
What could they do? Radio the tower that they had control of the plane? The Air Force could not take that chance.
Unfortunetly, it may have been very brave them trying to takeover the plane from the terrorists (although they already had learned what their fate was, so they had little to lose by doing it); but the moment the terrorists got control of that plane - they were as good as dead.
But at least they tried. They died in heroic fashion. They got to say goodbye to their loved ones (in some cases). And they died quick.
Not a bad way to go (if you gotta go) AT ALL in my books.
I am assuming that Flight 93 (the one that crashed outside of Pittsburgh) WAS shot down by the Air Force. But the administration (or somebody) apparently wants that covered up.
If that is true; I think they needn't bother. I have no problem if the Air Force shot down that airliner; in fact, if they weren't at least on the way to shooting it down when it did go down; I would find that very incompetent on the Air Force's part.
As soon as the last of the first three planes hit their targets; everything else in the air should have been targeted for destruction by the air force almost immediately. Especially Flight 93; which was off course and had apparently turned off it's transponder.
Even if the passengers had gotten control of the plane. They were still probably doomed.
What could they do? Radio the tower that they had control of the plane? The Air Force could not take that chance.
Unfortunetly, it may have been very brave them trying to takeover the plane from the terrorists (although they already had learned what their fate was, so they had little to lose by doing it); but the moment the terrorists got control of that plane - they were as good as dead.
But at least they tried. They died in heroic fashion. They got to say goodbye to their loved ones (in some cases). And they died quick.
Not a bad way to go (if you gotta go) AT ALL in my books.
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Right - falling from the sky, thousands of feet in the air, going 600+ miles per hour as the plane accelerates towards earth, wondering how long it will be before you smash into the ground, screaming your head off, crying, flying throughout the airplane's cabin with other passengers in a freefall, and hearing the mayhem while gleeful Jihadist terrorist hijackers (who have slashed and already killed other passengers with boxcutters) have visions of 71 virgins running through their heads... Yeah that's a GREAT way to die. Not.
Right - falling from the sky, thousands of feet in the air, going 600+ miles per hour as the plane accelerates towards earth, wondering how long it will be before you smash into the ground, screaming your head off, crying, flying throughout the airplane's cabin with other passengers in a freefall, and hearing the mayhem while gleeful Jihadist terrorist hijackers (who have slashed and already killed other passengers with boxcutters) have visions of 71 virgins running through their heads... Yeah that's a GREAT way to die. Not.
mcrocket said:
Nightfly said:
Oh, I am quite sure the actual few seconds of the descent (they were apparently only about 6,000 feet up when the plane went in) were unpleasant in the extreme.
My point was that their actual death was quick (the plane was obliterated). After watching my mother die a slow, agonizing death (I seem to remember a parent of yours had a similar fate) that a speedy death is preferrable.
Most people in the world die a slow death. From diseases, cancer, AIDS, etc.. And they don't die heroes.
Maybe you would rather die a slow lingering death. Me? If I gotta go. I would love to go out as a hero then just some slug lieing in his bed waiting for the inevitable (Not that I am referring to you as a slug - lol).
It is terrible that they had to die three years ago. Sooner then they would have otherwise. And if that is your point, fair enough (though you only referred to the method and experience of their deaths, not the fact that they came earlier then they would have naturally).
And the horror of the death? Well, to die heroically requires some sacrifice. Heroic acts usually involve chaos and mayhem, not calmness and serenity. Everything has a price - imo.
And finally, in my opinion. And with all due respect. Most people do not contribute much to the world, try as they might; with the best of intentions. Most people in the world (imo) lead very unfulfilled lives. Even in the wealthy West, many people never fulfill their dreams. Not even close. They live their lives. They compromise. They marry someone they end up wishing they haden't (see the divorce rate), they do jobs they dislike or even hate, they have children and unintentionally screw them up mentally and they drink lots of beer, watch lots of television and do whatever it takes to forget they ever had dreams in the first place. And then they die a slow, painful death.
Not bad people. Not at all. But heroes? Come on. (unless of course they are great parents - then I think they are heroes).
And if that is my fate. Then I would rather die today a hero. Then in 30 or 50 years as - as far as I am concerned - a near nothing.
Of course, I would rather die in 30 years as a hero...but we hero wannabe's cannot be choosey...lol.
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Oh man people and thier total distrust of the government. I know that the government should not be trusted bllindly, but to say that it faked the attacks and hit the pentagon with a U.S. missle? Please, this attack was bound to come. Matter of fact it Osama attacked the world trade towers once before. Ok, lets get this going in fact's.
First off, the U.S. government supplied and built up the "freedom" fighters in Afghanistan durring the latre 70's early 80's. That was when the former Soviet union had invaded Afghanistan. We sent special war fair peopl over there to instruct them on how to use gorilla tactics, and sabotage. Not only did we teach, we supplied them with the deadly stinger missle. Now lets fast forward 10 years, so we schooled a country in how to be terrorists basically, then we turned our back on them. So we have people who had fought a super power for a couple of decades, now sitting around in thier caves with no money, no economy no way of getting the country back on it's feet. In step's a man who's family has almost as much money as Bill Gates. He say's "Hay, I have a ton of money, I'll give you finance's, you just have to be my bitch". Could there be a bettert recipe for a terrorist nation? Now lets fast forward rouhgly 6 years. Pres. Clinton is in office, the World trade center is bombed the first time. Al-queda takes responsibility, what do we do as a nation? Absolutely nothing. Why? Well our government at the time says' "ah it didnt work they cant really do anything against us, besides we have gotten rid of all our operatives in the middle east cause we wanna spend money on making poor people more depndant on the government". So here we sit, letting a terrorsit get away with bombing our country. Now lets fast forward a few more years, Clinton is still in office and the U.S. Cole gets bombed and once again all we do is send a Tomahawk missle strikes in a couple of abandond training sites. Ewww, ouch, what a response.
Ok, lets recap here. So we have been attacked twice and sent a total of two random missles at a mountain range with nothing in them. If I was a terrorsit leader I would be saying, hay I have basically been running a country for over a decade with no fear of retribution. Let me see how big a statement I can make.
Now here we sit 4 years after the fact, reading how people think it was a "conspiracy" and other totally retarded statements. People, wake up and smell the coffee. Vigilance is needed 24/7. Is the war in Iraq right or wrong? Saddam needed out, I dont believe he had a direct connection with Al-quide , but if we didnt responde he soon would have done the same thing. Yes, as a country we became very dumb durring the Clinton administration. Lets learn from our stupidity and not allow this again.
First off, the U.S. government supplied and built up the "freedom" fighters in Afghanistan durring the latre 70's early 80's. That was when the former Soviet union had invaded Afghanistan. We sent special war fair peopl over there to instruct them on how to use gorilla tactics, and sabotage. Not only did we teach, we supplied them with the deadly stinger missle. Now lets fast forward 10 years, so we schooled a country in how to be terrorists basically, then we turned our back on them. So we have people who had fought a super power for a couple of decades, now sitting around in thier caves with no money, no economy no way of getting the country back on it's feet. In step's a man who's family has almost as much money as Bill Gates. He say's "Hay, I have a ton of money, I'll give you finance's, you just have to be my bitch". Could there be a bettert recipe for a terrorist nation? Now lets fast forward rouhgly 6 years. Pres. Clinton is in office, the World trade center is bombed the first time. Al-queda takes responsibility, what do we do as a nation? Absolutely nothing. Why? Well our government at the time says' "ah it didnt work they cant really do anything against us, besides we have gotten rid of all our operatives in the middle east cause we wanna spend money on making poor people more depndant on the government". So here we sit, letting a terrorsit get away with bombing our country. Now lets fast forward a few more years, Clinton is still in office and the U.S. Cole gets bombed and once again all we do is send a Tomahawk missle strikes in a couple of abandond training sites. Ewww, ouch, what a response.
Ok, lets recap here. So we have been attacked twice and sent a total of two random missles at a mountain range with nothing in them. If I was a terrorsit leader I would be saying, hay I have basically been running a country for over a decade with no fear of retribution. Let me see how big a statement I can make.
Now here we sit 4 years after the fact, reading how people think it was a "conspiracy" and other totally retarded statements. People, wake up and smell the coffee. Vigilance is needed 24/7. Is the war in Iraq right or wrong? Saddam needed out, I dont believe he had a direct connection with Al-quide , but if we didnt responde he soon would have done the same thing. Yes, as a country we became very dumb durring the Clinton administration. Lets learn from our stupidity and not allow this again.
Well. I think you summed up the early part really well. And many other things in there I agree with.
But I still think the invasion of IRaq was wrong. And even if it was right - the aftermath was totally botched.
And personally, I believe that Al queda loves the fact that the U.S. is tied down in Iraq. And I think they love the Bush administration. Now they have a focal point to rally terrorists around. ANd they have a place they can actually shoot at U.S. soldiers.
I think neither administration handled it well. But I think the present one went way too far and lied to the U.S. and the world to convince them to go in.
That is my major problem with what they did.
But you sum up (imo) much of what the U.S. did very well. They basically made the mess.
But I still think the invasion of IRaq was wrong. And even if it was right - the aftermath was totally botched.
And personally, I believe that Al queda loves the fact that the U.S. is tied down in Iraq. And I think they love the Bush administration. Now they have a focal point to rally terrorists around. ANd they have a place they can actually shoot at U.S. soldiers.
I think neither administration handled it well. But I think the present one went way too far and lied to the U.S. and the world to convince them to go in.
That is my major problem with what they did.
But you sum up (imo) much of what the U.S. did very well. They basically made the mess.
Tachi said:
Well ,I do not know exactly what you mean. BUt I can be quite the downer sometimes; that I grant you.
But I think they are realistic. Prove to me they are not and I will retract and apologize and, hopefully, learn.
But I DO tend to be a glass is half empty kind of guy.
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The way you called them heroes was ironic and pretty insulting and I am not the only to think itmcrocket said:
Do you honestely think it is a way to talk about people who are dead in tragic circumstances ? :wtf: No so leave the case by. An please let these people r.i.p and please have some decency to respect them. They are human beings and what happened to them can also happen to each of us.georges said:The way you called them heroes was ironic and pretty insulting and I am not the only to think it
In all honesty Georges, I do not know what you are referring to.
To call someone a hero is insulting? I don't get that one.
And quite frankly, I will speak of the dead any way I wish. As long as it is truthful as I see it.
When I am dead, I ask nothing more of anyone else.
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You know. On hind sight. Nightfly might be right (about the last minutes aboard Flight 93). Although I would rather die a hero at 50 then a nothing at 70; those that died in Flight 93 were pretty much doomed from the moment the plane took off. And though they acted heroically at the end - trying to take the plane over - I think if I had to die that day; I would rather it had been as one of those firefighters or police persons that were in the twin towers. They risked their lives, even though they technically didn't have to, to save others. The truest definition of a hero to me.
But heros or not; I am sorry they all died that day.
But heros or not; I am sorry they all died that day.
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