O'Reilly chases two of the hosts on The View off the set by truth

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how'd he get that through his shorts?
 
i disagree on every point.

serving a warrant is one thing.
law enforcement opening fire first is another.
and its obvious they did at waco.
at that point you have the right to defend yourself.
thats law.

but again, forgetting everything else.
knowing there are children inside and other innocent people its law enforcements, in this case reno and her boss bill, obligation to do everything they can to prevent harming those innocent people, especially children.

in a bank hostage situation does the law just kill everyone inside including the hostages?
have you seen the video tape of the tanks shooting flamethrowers into the house?
they burned alive kids!
then said the davidians lit the place up.
c'mon mega....try to watch the hearing.

and mcveigh did snap.
after waco he planned oklahoma city.
waco was the snapping point.

The search warrant was justified not on the basis there was proof that the Davidians had purchased anything illegal, but on the basis that they could be modifying legal arms to illegal arms.

ATF obtained training for the raid from Special Forces at Fort Hood, Texas, February 25 though 27, by making a false claim that David Koresh was operating a methamphetamine lab. This provided the drug nexus necessary to obtain military assets under the "War on Drugs".

so many lies from the atf , fbi, and clintons people,.

im done.

whoopi is an asshole.

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That's some imagination you got there. Cops exist to enforce laws. At some point no matter who's in the place they are going to breach. Did you expect they would just stand around outside that place indefinitely...they have protocol for stand offs.

Lastly, do us all a favor. Move to Texas do something that causes law enforcement to obtain search and arrest warrants for you..then meet them at your door with a firearm claiming you have the right to defend yourself.

Make sure you report back to us what your experience was (if you can:o)

Undoutedly meester..you've fallen prey to some combination of lies, spin and misinformation that fits into a predisposition you have. Nothing more, nothing less.
 

meesterperfect

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yeah youre right.
there is no way any law enforcement, politician or government agent would have lied about it.

theres no way the atf who one year earlier shot and killed unarmed boy and his mother at ruby ridge would have lied about a meth lab in order to get access to a military base and military helicopters.
no way they would have opened fire first.
no way they would have shot unarmed people on the property after the shootout.
no way they would have beat the shit out of a reporter with a camera on the day of the shootout.
and theres no way the fbi would have lost all 3 or 4 of the videotapes filming the original confrontation and lost the atf log reports of the day of the shootout.
no way they would have lied to the media during the siege about a religious jim jones type lunatic cult.
no way they would have shot indiscriminantly at the house for the following 50 days.
no way they would have given the finger and mooned the people inside everyday ( yeah , i'll surrender to those guys alright)
no way they would have cs gas then torched the place with tank mounted flamethrowers which they knew created cyanide gas.
no way they would have known exactly where the women and children were hiding and intentionally filled that enclosed area with cs gas.
imagine a baby or small child, 22 of them, breathing that stuff, not a pretty site, unless youre a sadist.

a lot of stuff just to serve a warrant not for illegal weapons but for " they may have the equipment to create illegal automatic weapons"

like koresh said and i agree.
if the atf or anybody has the right to go to your house and start shooting at you then this isn't america anymore.
and thats exactly what happened.

no way janet reno would have lied about it and no way she would have then blackmailed bill clinton in order to keep her post.

see i have no predisposition, i just watched the hearings about it and researched it.
unlike you who only feels the way you do because clinton was president at the time.

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The fact remains, Muslims planned and perpetrated the 9/11 attacks upon those they deemed as enemies of Islam. That fact cannot be changed by liberal revisionist history.
 

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The fact remains, Muslims planned and perpetrated the 9/11 attacks upon those they deemed as enemies of Islam. That fact cannot be changed by liberal revisionist history.

Religious nut is religious.
 
yeah youre right.
there is no way any law enforcement, politician or government agent would have lied about it.

theres no way the atf who one year earlier shot and killed unarmed boy and his mother at ruby ridge would have lied about a meth lab in order to get access to a military base and military helicopters.
no way they would have opened fire first.
no way they would have shot unarmed people on the property after the shootout.
no way they would have beat the shit out of a reporter with a camera on the day of the shootout.
and theres no way the fbi would have lost all 3 or 4 of the videotapes filming the original confrontation and lost the atf log reports of the day of the shootout.
no way they would have lied to the media during the siege about a religious jim jones type lunatic cult.
no way they would have shot indiscriminantly at the house for the following 50 days.
no way they would have given the finger and mooned the people inside everyday ( yeah , i'll surrender to those guys alright)
no way they would have cs gas then torched the place with tank mounted flamethrowers which they knew created cyanide gas.
no way they would have known exactly where the women and children were hiding and intentionally filled that enclosed area with cs gas.
imagine a baby or small child, 22 of them, breathing that stuff, not a pretty site, unless youre a sadist.

a lot of stuff just to serve a warrant not for illegal weapons but for " they may have the equipment to create illegal automatic weapons"

like koresh said and i agree.
if the atf or anybody has the right to go to your house and start shooting at you then this isn't america anymore.
and thats exactly what happened.

no way janet reno would have lied about it and no way she would have then blackmailed bill clinton in order to keep her post.

see i have no predisposition, i just watched the hearings about it and researched it.
unlike you who only feels the way you do because clinton was president at the time.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpUyHJWhJx8&feature=PlayList&p=01853DA4A51D839B&index=0&playnext=1

You do know there are experts and people "from the scene" that will swear to you straight up and down that a missile instead a plane hit the Pentagon right??

I don't need to watch a bunch of CYA, Monday morning QB'ing and posturing, spin, lies of omission, facts produced from speculation and supposition to know that no matter why law enforcement comes to your door...if you kill four of them...they are not going to just pack up and go home.

Further, if YOU don't come out after 2 fucking months (which is longer than I would given them) at some point they are going to come in and attempt to at least gas your ass out.

Of course I know law enforcement is not above reproach, corruption and criminality.

But if you start shooting back at cops just because the president's name is Clinton...you're ass is most likely going to go down.

That's the sober truth...no matter what some sycophant likely with his or her own agenda comes along an proffers later with a bunch half truths and foggy assertions.

I watched myself as did many Americans with common sense who saw law enforcement restrain themselves for nearly 2 months while some asshole used women and kids as human shields to protect his candy ass. The asshole is most likely no different from that asshole Jim Jones except for he incinerated his followers instead of making them drink poison.

You and clowns like McVeigh saw Clinton sending the jack-boots after innocent Americans to be marched into concentration camps as the opening salvo for the communist takeover of his "regime". I and other common sense people saw just another group of wackos who could have ended the fucking thing by just giving themselves up or at minimum sending the kids and women out if they themselves were determined to be "deadenders".

They're lucking I wasn't opcom on scene because I would have given their asses 1 day then I would have gassed, brought in a wrecking ball and bulldozed their asses.

For all the kinder, gentler shit they did during the whole ordeal they're STILL putting up with some nonsense grand conspiracy.

One thing I'm sure of is if the shit Jim Jones did happened under Clinton and in the age of youtube "news" ...that would have been another Clinton mass murder too.:rolleyes:

By the way, Ruby Ridge happened under GHW Bush and Janet Reno wasn't AG when Waco started.:2 cents:

I wonder if AQ gets a pass on 9/11 by claiming they "snapped" from some "injustice" they witnessed...since you're in the excusing sorry assed terrorists mood.
 
These 19 men did not represent the religion of Islam as a whole, any more than they represent men as a whole. Get it through your thick skull. Muslims in general had nothing to do with it, any more than white people in general are represented by the KKK, or Timothy McVeigh.
 

meesterperfect

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ok.
hopefully for all this is my final post.

i don't care who was pres at the time.
to me its an example of THE GOVERNMENT screwing up big time from the outset then covering it up.
And to me it doesn't matter as much who was wrong or right as it does that the government right up to the president knew there were many innocent people in there and they did what they did.
 
ok.
hopefully for all this is my final post.

i don't care who was pres at the time.
to me its an example of THE GOVERNMENT screwing up big time from the outset then covering it up.
And to me it doesn't matter so much who was wrong or right as it does that the government right up to the president knew there were many innocent people in there and they did what they did.

The cops screwed up in the OJ Simpson trial....that doesn't mean he didn't kill his ex wife and that dopey waiter.:rolleyes:

If you want to fine tooth over any large scale operation you'll find shit that went wrong. Chief among them in this case was the simple fact that Koresh was willing to barricade himself around a bunch of women and kids.
 
These 19 men did not represent the religion of Islam as a whole,




This isn't about "representing a religion". They were Muslim and murdered for their religion Islam, get that through your thick liberal skull. No amount of liberal spin will change that fact.
 
This isn't about "representing a religion". They were Muslim and murdered for their religion Islam, get that through your thick liberal skull. No amount of liberal spin will change that fact.

Most people get that simplistic, 1-dimensional point you and others keep driveling about.

But can you get that neither Islam nor Muslims can't stop what some extremist group or individual does in co-opting them as causes?

And just to correct you..they didn't do it for their religion. By no way would their actions further Islam. The did what they did to further their militaristic agenda for effecting/affecting American policy toward Arab nations.

If it were about Islam...Muslims wouldn't be helping us in their lands and risk to their life and limb.
 
Most people get that simplistic, 1-dimensional point you and others keep driveling about.

But can you get that neither Islam nor Muslims can't stop what some extremist group or individual does in co-opting them as causes?

And just to correct you..they didn't do it for their religion. By no way would their actions further Islam. The did what they did to further their militaristic agenda for effecting/affecting American policy toward Arab nations.

If it were about Islam...Muslims wouldn't be helping us in their lands and risk to their life and limb.



Typical liberal spin/tripe/drivel.

Takfiri Muslims carried out the attack for their religion and beliefs. As Takfiris they were allowed to blend in with our society because their goal was to murder the infidel which is allowed under the Takfiri sect which ultimately belongs to Islam.
 
Not exactly true. Read the Turner Diaries.


An Accurate Look at Timothy McVeigh's Beliefs

By: Bruce Prescott
Posted: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:08 pm
Section: Columns on Church and Theology Email
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Several right-wing bloggers have contended inaccurately that Timothy McVeigh, convicted of bombing the Alfred P. Murrah Building in Oklahoma City, distanced himself from Christianity, Prescott says.


Since Joseph Farah at WorldNetDaily maligned me for saying there are "extremists" within the Christian faith, a number of right-wing bloggers have echoed his statements over the internet.


In addition to denying Christian extremism, Farah and his blogging buddies are distorting the record regarding the beliefs of Timothy McVeigh. They contend that McVeigh distanced himself from Christianity in an interview he gave to Time magazine in 2001.



Did he? Here's what he said:



Time: Are you religious?



McVeigh: I was raised Catholic. I was confirmed Catholic (received the sacrament of confirmation). Through my military years, I sort of lost touch with the religion. I never really picked it up, however I do maintain core beliefs.



Time: Do you believe in God?



McVeigh: I do believe in a God, yes. But that's as far as I want to discuss. If I get too detailed on some things that are personal like that, it gives people an easier way [to] alienate themselves from me and that's all they are looking for now.



All this text discloses is that McVeigh distanced himself from Catholicism, not Christianity. It also reveals that he did not want to discuss his faith further because he knew most people would find it repulsive. What was repulsive about his faith? Was he an atheist? No. Was he a secular humanist? No. What do we know about his beliefs at the time he was bombing the federal building in Oklahoma City?



There is no doubt that Timothy McVeigh was deeply influenced by the Christian Identity movement. Christian Identity is a profoundly racist and theocratic form of faith that developed in the late 1970s and spread like wildfire through rural communities throughout the U.S. in the 1980s.


http://www.ethicsdaily.com/news.php?viewStory=15532

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Turner_Diaries

There is one HUGE difference between McVeigh/Christianity and bin laden/islam. You will have NO problem finding Christian after Christian who is willing to distance themselves and their faith from McVeigh. I'm a Christian myself, and I will be the first to say that his actions are not what Christianity is all about. His actions were not something that would please the God that I know.

By contrast, trying to find a muslim who will speak out against what the Bin-man orchestrated on 9/11 is like trying to find a needle in a haystack.

The majority of Christianity DOES distance itself from McVeigh. The difference is that the majority of muslamics DO NOT distance themselves verbally, or by action, from the perpetrators of 9/11. Their silence is deafening!

Lefties on this board can try to pretend that they speak for the "non-extremist" muzzies all they want, but it would be a lot more satisfying to actually hear some of these clowns speaking for themselves and their own poor excuse for a religion. I'm not going to hold my breath waiting though.
 

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come on...all of islam didn't do the world trade center but a huge majority of Muslims applaud it. most don't consider it offensive and very few speak out against it.

our way of life offends them and it's a fact. they see us as greedy and living in sin, even though many of them drink alcohol and fuck whores and children and young boys are considered a delicacy to the men...that's a fact btw....there is an Arabic saying that goes "for a child, a woman. for pleasure a young woman, for ecstasy a young boy"

Until the Muslim community speaks out against their own people there should be zero tolerance for them here. France is predicted to be a Muslim nation by the year 2030 and have already conceded to a separate set of laws for Muslims and several other European nations are on their way.

Oreilly can be an ass but he asks tough questions and has admitted when he's wrong many times, which is a rarity in the media these days. I think that the bleeding heart retards on the View which didn't walk off the set when fat ass Rosie said Bush orchestrated 911 are nothing more than sitting on their fat asses spewing their nonsense on a daily basis to a bunch of like-minded women sitting on their fat asses at home lol
 
The current rise of Right wing groups in West Europe is a result of the left's failure to curb the influence of Islamists and to curb the muslims building parallel societies within their host countries.
The Left in West Europe became tolerant to Muslim Intolerance unfortunately.
 
I wish the terrorists flew the planes into The View's set. I could get behind that.

hey mariah, this pussyless nerd wants his promised pass...please. I HAVE NOTHING ELSE IN THIS LIFE. :)
 
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