O'Reilly chases two of the hosts on The View off the set by truth

Eh, there's State and local laws as well. The Feds don't run the world. That's the nice thing about our government; the oppressive Federal government - as much as they control - still give us some rights in our local communities. Ultimately that's up to whatever commisioner is in control and if he wants to get re-elected whenever. So the First Amendment grants freedom of religion so it's a Federal issue? We'll see. The American people have spoke.

WTF are you talking about??????:confused:

In any case, all Americans enjoy the same rights and protections against discrimination.

The American people spoke?? About what exactly?? The reason why we have a country based on laws and a constitution is so some silly assed zealot or two can't just come along and whimsically decide who can do what. They spoke but they have no say in it.
 
the oppressive Federal government - as much as they control - still give us some rights in our local communities.
oh lordy bless the feds for giving us an inch! some is more than none!
 

meesterperfect

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we really don't need to be discussing muslim/christian pros and cons.

people shouldn't read too much into what he said which was " muslims attacked us on 9/11".

it is what is it.

normal mature people would have said " Bill, are you generalizing?".
in which he would have responded.
not start reacting like spoiled children, rich bitches or pavlovian dogs to a statement that they know was not such a big deal.

they were just putting on a show.
 

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Even if they just asked that without the theatrics, do you think Bill would actually be any less theatrics?

well.....he probably would have said , " No! what I'm saying is a lot of people think its in bad taste thats all".

he's not confrontational on those shows.
but he knows he is smarter than those women and he says things that he knows will make them behave like fools and show the public how these women really are
kind of like when a defense lawyer tries to piss off a witness on the stand to ruin their credibilty.

Mr Rose :hatsoff:
 
He wasn't Christian. He was a self-proclaimed agnostic.

Not exactly true. Read the Turner Diaries.


An Accurate Look at Timothy McVeigh's Beliefs

By: Bruce Prescott
Posted: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:08 pm
Section: Columns on Church and Theology Email
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Several right-wing bloggers have contended inaccurately that Timothy McVeigh, convicted of bombing the Alfred P. Murrah Building in Oklahoma City, distanced himself from Christianity, Prescott says.


Since Joseph Farah at WorldNetDaily maligned me for saying there are "extremists" within the Christian faith, a number of right-wing bloggers have echoed his statements over the internet.


In addition to denying Christian extremism, Farah and his blogging buddies are distorting the record regarding the beliefs of Timothy McVeigh. They contend that McVeigh distanced himself from Christianity in an interview he gave to Time magazine in 2001.



Did he? Here's what he said:



Time: Are you religious?



McVeigh: I was raised Catholic. I was confirmed Catholic (received the sacrament of confirmation). Through my military years, I sort of lost touch with the religion. I never really picked it up, however I do maintain core beliefs.



Time: Do you believe in God?



McVeigh: I do believe in a God, yes. But that's as far as I want to discuss. If I get too detailed on some things that are personal like that, it gives people an easier way [to] alienate themselves from me and that's all they are looking for now.



All this text discloses is that McVeigh distanced himself from Catholicism, not Christianity. It also reveals that he did not want to discuss his faith further because he knew most people would find it repulsive. What was repulsive about his faith? Was he an atheist? No. Was he a secular humanist? No. What do we know about his beliefs at the time he was bombing the federal building in Oklahoma City?



There is no doubt that Timothy McVeigh was deeply influenced by the Christian Identity movement. Christian Identity is a profoundly racist and theocratic form of faith that developed in the late 1970s and spread like wildfire through rural communities throughout the U.S. in the 1980s.


http://www.ethicsdaily.com/news.php?viewStory=15532

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Turner_Diaries
 

meesterperfect

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You know yelling is his trademark, right?

no.
ive seen his show many times and he is fair with his guests in my opinion.
talking loud with each other during a debate is one thing but i never saw him yell at a guest.

and baill.
he was furious with the US government and their handling of the Waco situation.
which by the way was my personal wake up call too.
he felt that the clinton administration created the situation and murdered those men women and children and he reacted and retaliated in an extreme way.

religion was not a factor, thats pretty clear.
 
no.
ive seen his show many times and he is fair with his guests in my opinion.
talking loud with each other during a debate is one thing but i never saw him yell at a guest.

and baill.
he was furious with the US government and their handling of the Waco situation.
which by the way was my personal wake up call too.
he felt that the clinton administration created the situation and murdered those men women and children and he reacted and retaliated in an extreme way.

religion was not a factor, thats pretty clear.

Oh geeez.... Will you ever (ever) give us an explanation that doesn't sound like some rambling kook on a park bench for why on earth Clinton (as you put it) with all of the OTHER shit he had to deal with as a president decided out of nowhere to create a situation for "murdering" a bunch of people on tv???
 
In any case, all Americans enjoy the same rights and protections against discrimination.

The American people spoke?? About what exactly?? The reason why we have a country based on laws and a constitution is so some silly assed zealot or two can't just come along and whimsically decide who can do what. They spoke but they have no say in it.

But we still have referendums. That's why Prop 8 passed in Cali'. :rofl:

The people spoke. Deal with it:

Overwhelming majority oppose mosque near Ground Zero

Don't piss and moan. Deal with it, big boy. ;)
 
But we still have referendums. That's why Prop 8 passed in Cali'. :rofl:

The people spoke. Deal with it:

Overwhelming majority oppose mosque near Ground Zero

Don't piss and moan. Deal with it, big boy. ;)


Constitutional rights are not changeable by popular vote or opinion. It's the hard cases that test our believe in basic rights. Going according to fickle public opinion denies the rule of law. You would need a constitutional amendment to denies that right to Muslims. But being a strict constructionist you already know that.
 

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Oh geeez.... Will you ever (ever) give us an explanation that doesn't sound like some rambling kook on a park bench for why on earth Clinton (as you put it) with all of the OTHER shit he had to deal with as a president decided out of nowhere to create a situation for "murdering" a bunch of people on tv???

ugh.

first of all those people lived there for years with no problems.
no crime.
many went to work in the city of waco.
some bought and sold legal firearms at gun shows.
they all read and studied the bible.
they were peaceful people and no evidence says otherwise.

it started out as an atf publicity stunt.
they trained for a month at an army base before they served the warrant to search the house for illegal weapons.

they could have picked up koresh at anytime.
he was out and about everyday.

there is no evidence that the davidians opened fire first.
the atf surrounded the place, knocked on the door and when it opened they opened fire.
they killed the un armed guy who opened the door then shot koresh also unarmed in the hand.
then riddled the place with bullets.
only then did a few people inside began to shoot back

at least 3 news crews which the atf invited to film it for publicity had those first moments of tape taken by the fbi.

the proof.
why would that have disappeared if there wasnt a cover up?


long story not as long.
clinton, reno , had the power to stop it at anytime.
the davidians told the negotiater many times if they back off they will surrender.

they also killed a lot of people unarmed on the propery including a 15 year old boy standing unarmed on a silo.
thats on tape too.


and if they were crazy lunatics which they weren't , knowing that there are children inside you don't shoot random bullets into the house all month, you don't throw concussion grenades inside the place and you don't ram it with tanks with freakin flamethrowers attached to them and torch the place.
and then within an hour they were there with bulldozers clearing the place before any investigation.
thats called destroying a crime scene.

its all on tape.
thats when i realized the government and the media were one in the same.
they lied about the group during the seige saying they are a violent anti government jim jones type religious cult.
they were just people, mostly very well educated people, living alone, reading the bible and raising families there.
no evidence of any criminal activity ever existed.

clinton was responsible for what happened.
the atf fucked up, then the fbi, and he and reno permitted it and covered it up because shooting and burning people alive doesn't get you many votes.

this is what caused mcveigh to snap.
 

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And Barbara Walters says it should not of happened and that they should be able to partake in discussion without stomping off.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upsho...behar-address-view-walkout-on-primetime-shows

And Barbara was right. Instead of running off set, they should have driven him off. He clearly said it was Muslims, like in 'the religion of islam' and did not tell it like it is: It were SOME muslims, so do not blame the whole faith.

They could have said, if you talk hate-speech, your time is over, get ot off here.
 
wait. aren't all american presidents over the last 40 years allowed one monumental fuck up?

Lets have a look starting with our current president:

Obama
Fuck up: running as the sole black man who was gonna clean up the mess left by an incompetent childlike baffoon. yeah barry, you should have know that this was gonna be a loosing battle.
Analysis: Fuck up! ya shoulda let palin and mccain and the gop take that bullet.

Bush
Fuck up: two words: Hurricane Katrina. due to the amount of fuck ups during these 8 years i am gonna let him and my fingers off easy.

Clinton
Fuck up: as mentioned above he completely fucked up that situation with a captial F. Also that monica lewinski thing should have never happened. Billy you are the fuckin prez. you should have had the bitch killed! Kennedy did it why couldn't you!

Bush Sr
Fuck up: Getting involved in the gulf war and not pulling out of barbra thus leaving us with your shit stain of a son in the office some 8 years later...FUCK UP!

Reagan
Fuck up: declaring a never ending war on drugs and the fact that carter was your predecessor aint helpin you much bud!

Carter
Fuck up: really do I have to even say anyting here:facepalm:
next!

Ford
Fuck up: given that sleeze bag nixon a pardon

Nixon
Fuck up: why the hell you recorder every conversation you ever had is one of the grand mysteries of the universe

Johnson
Fuck up: VietFUCKINnam! should have let the french clean up their own mess. 40 years later they refuse to help us clean up ours
so hindsight is a bitch.
 
ugh.

first of all those people lived there for years with no problems.
no crime.
many went to work in the city of waco.
some bought and sold legal firearms at gun shows.
they all read and studied the bible.
they were peaceful people and no evidence says otherwise.

it started out as an atf publicity stunt.
they trained for a month at an army base before they served the warrant to search the house for illegal weapons.

they could have picked up koresh at anytime.
he was out and about everyday.

there is no evidence that the davidians opened fire first.
the atf surrounded the place, knocked on the door and when it opened they opened fire.
they killed the un armed guy who opened the door then shot koresh also unarmed in the hand.
then riddled the place with bullets.
only then did a few people inside began to shoot back

at least 3 news crews which the atf invited to film it for publicity had those first moments of tape taken by the fbi.

the proof.
why would that have disappeared if there wasnt a cover up?


long story not as long.
clinton, reno , had the power to stop it at anytime.
the davidians told the negotiater many times if they back off they will surrender.

they also killed a lot of people unarmed on the propery including a 15 year old boy standing unarmed on a silo.
thats on tape too.


and if they were crazy lunatics which they weren't , knowing that there are children inside you don't shoot random bullets into the house all month, you don't throw concussion grenades inside the place and you don't ram it with tanks with freakin flamethrowers attached to them and torch the place.
and then within an hour they were there with bulldozers clearing the place before any investigation.
thats called destroying a crime scene.

its all on tape.
thats when i realized the government and the media were one in the same.
they lied about the group during the seige saying they are a violent anti government jim jones type religious cult.
they were just people, mostly very well educated people, living alone, reading the bible and raising families there.
no evidence of any criminal activity ever existed.

clinton was responsible for what happened.
the atf fucked up, then the fbi, and he and reno permitted it and covered it up because shooting and burning people alive doesn't get you many votes.

this is what caused mcveigh to snap.


They could have picked up Koresh anytime?? What about the reason why they would be picking him up..you know like the evidence they would seek to uncover at the compound????? The whole reason for the search warrants and shit??

Publicity stunt just because they trained before hand to deal with a heavily armed, violent cult on their compound??? Are you kidding???

The only people who fucked up are the people who didn't simply come out of the fucking compound and defend themselves against the g'ment's case in court and not with firearms.

If you chose that route...no matter who you are, you're most likely going to end up dead as well as those with you. Why? Because the g'ment has more weapons, time and personnel than you..

And...they're not just going to walk away because you happen to not feel like having your compound raided or don't feel like being arrested before you finish watching your soap operas or some other nonsense.

If the guy didn't want a problem, he would have honored the warrants being served on him and his property like 99 pct. of other people with common sense in these cases do.

And the loser McVeigh didn't "snap". He planned ahead of time and carried out premeditated murder just like every other sociopathic terrorist that's come before or after him.

You don't like Clinton..that's one thing. Creating a nonsensical fantasy about what law enforcement could or should have done differently at Waco is "how to be a Koo-koo for dummies".

I don't give a fuck who you are, what you stand for nor who the president is...if the ATF and FBI, etc. show up at your door with a warrant to arrest and search...and you don't let it happen...your ass is most likely going down.

If you allow women and children around you to go down too...then that shits on you!

As far as the rest of the shit you're alleging ...I'm not touching it. I have no idea what you call a credible source for what you're citing.

I just know one, very, very simple thing....if you confront law enforcement trying to execute warrants and you involve firearms in your confrontation...your ass is probably going to get lit up.

I mean, don't you at least watch "Cops"???:dunno:

Find a situation...any situation where a suspect or suspects acted the way these people did and the LEA didn't overwhelm them with force.

I triple dare you to.:1orglaugh
 

meesterperfect

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i disagree on every point.

serving a warrant is one thing.
law enforcement opening fire first is another.
and its obvious they did at waco.
at that point you have the right to defend yourself.
thats law.

but again, forgetting everything else.
knowing there are children inside and other innocent people its law enforcements, in this case reno and her boss bill, obligation to do everything they can to prevent harming those innocent people, especially children.

in a bank hostage situation does the law just kill everyone inside including the hostages?
have you seen the video tape of the tanks shooting flamethrowers into the house?
they burned alive kids!
then said the davidians lit the place up.
c'mon mega....try to watch the hearing.

and mcveigh did snap.
after waco he planned oklahoma city.
waco was the snapping point.

The search warrant was justified not on the basis there was proof that the Davidians had purchased anything illegal, but on the basis that they could be modifying legal arms to illegal arms.

ATF obtained training for the raid from Special Forces at Fort Hood, Texas, February 25 though 27, by making a false claim that David Koresh was operating a methamphetamine lab. This provided the drug nexus necessary to obtain military assets under the "War on Drugs".

so many lies from the atf , fbi, and clintons people,.

im done.

whoopi is an asshole.
 
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