NBA '11/'12 Thread

[PlasmaTwa2]

its official deron williams will play in turkey if the nba locks out. i think that dumb because he is in the final year or his contract and if he hurts, he is going to lose a lot of money.

I have never bought into the whole "what if he gets hurt?" argument when talking about players going to Europe. I don't believe the odds are high enough for any player (except for Greg Oden) to decide to sit out an entire year of basketball. A player could get injured doing a lot of things and I think when you look at the whole picture, taking a slight risk to play competitive, organized basketball in Europe for a year is better than simply going to a gym (where a player could get injured as well, mind you).

who do you think will have the most success as a coach with their new team mike brown (lakers), dwayne casey (raptors) or mark jackson (warriors)? I talking about 5 years down the road.

Brown, but just because he is with the Lakers. I am excited to see what Casey will be able to do with the Raptors. If the team focuses more on its D then they could be a solid lower seed in the East. The main goal in my opinion is simply to get a veteran center who can rebound so they can move Bargnani to a forward position. If the Raptors can do that they will improve on both offence and defence in a single move.

 

[Icewater Jones]

who do you think will have the most success as a coach with their new team mike brown (lakers), dwayne casey (raptors) or mark jackson (warriors)? I talking about 5 years down the road.

I'm gonna say Mark Jackson simply because I don't feel that Mike Brown will be there in 5 years, and Dwayne Casey certainly won't. The Lakers are in a bad spot right now as it pertains to uncertainty, and the Raps are many years away right now. The Warriors have the biggest upside here, and they aren't expecting to win it all like the Lakers, and aren't far away from even making the playoffs like the Raps. All Jackson has to do is make the playoffs once in the next 3 years to get an extension with GS. I think there is a good chance of that happening.

 

[CapitalOne]

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[PJpenny]

who do you think will have the most success as a coach with their new team mike brown (lakers), dwayne casey (raptors) or mark jackson (warriors)? I talking about 5 years down the road.

this will depend on who meets the team goal, and theres no way of telling who will and who wont. Im willing to give Mike Brown a chance as a lakers fan, but i have no confidence hell deliver a championship. Mark Jackson its true only has to make the playoffs once in the next 3 years to get a contract extension, i think he can do that, Dwayne Casey in Toront has the easiest job for the sheer reason taht hes in the Eastern conference where in 1 year you can go from a lottery team to a lower seeded playoff team, you can also go vice versa.

 

[CapitalOne]

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[STDiva]

The Lakers will win at least 1 title under Mike Brown. Whether it's this year, or next year with a big free agent signing.

Jackson will make the playoffs with Golden State during his tenure, but I'm not sure Casey will succeed in Toronto. That big man they drafted won't be there for a while, Barngani wants out and they're full of roll players with no leader.

 

[Icewater Jones]

The Lakers will win at least 1 title under Mike Brown. Whether it's this year, or next year with a big free agent signing.

Jackson will make the playoffs with Golden State during his tenure, but I'm not sure Casey will succeed in Toronto. That big man they drafted won't be there for a while, Barngani wants out and they're full of roll players with no leader.

I really can't see the Lakers going there, honestly. The Lakers were winning on the strength of their nucleus, but last year revealed that it wasn't as strong and let's face it... they're youthless. Oklahoma City has a better shot a big signing, and Dallas is just flat out better and they don't require a big signing. There are just so many question marks for LA right now and with other teams clearly on the rise, the Lakers will have a hard time squeezing into the top 5 in the league with Dallas, Miami, Chicago, and OKC already there. I'd put the Lakers in the 5 spot for now.

 

[PJpenny]

I really can't see the Lakers going there, honestly. The Lakers were winning on the strength of their nucleus, but last year revealed that it wasn't as strong and let's face it... they're youthless. Oklahoma City has a better shot a big signing, and Dallas is just flat out better and they don't require a big signing. There are just so many question marks for LA right now and with other teams clearly on the rise, the Lakers will have a hard time squeezing into the top 5 in the league with Dallas, Miami, Chicago, and OKC already there. I'd put the Lakers in the 5 spot for now.

i disagree slightly. The lakers do have to be watchful of teams like OkCity, Memphis. My question with Dallas is that did they get that much better or did they merely take advantage of a year when the traditional powers like LAL and San Antonio had down years, that will be answered next season. As for the lakers, their strenght is on the bench, thats how they won 3 straight west titles, last season was dismal for the bench, Matt Barnes and Steve Blake were good early in the season, but after they sustained injuries both, neither was the same after coming back. OKCity i think is still a maturing Russel Westbrooke away from contending at the top of the west, Memphis needs to keep its team intact, Golden State and the Clippers i think will be dark horses this season and next, both have the talent to make a run at the lower half of the west. When it all comes down to it for the lakers, they need to strenghten the bench, i dont think they have to start breaking up the team like alot of the analysts think, and with Mike Brown being more friendly to young guys than Phil ever was there will be more youth on the floor from here on.

 

[Icewater Jones]

i disagree slightly. The lakers do have to be watchful of teams like OkCity, Memphis. My question with Dallas is that did they get that much better or did they merely take advantage of a year when the traditional powers like LAL and San Antonio had down years, that will be answered next season. As for the lakers, their strenght is on the bench, thats how they won 3 straight west titles, last season was dismal for the bench, Matt Barnes and Steve Blake were good early in the season, but after they sustained injuries both, neither was the same after coming back. OKCity i think is still a maturing Russel Westbrooke away from contending at the top of the west, Memphis needs to keep its team intact, Golden State and the Clippers i think will be dark horses this season and next, both have the talent to make a run at the lower half of the west. When it all comes down to it for the lakers, they need to strenghten the bench, i dont think they have to start breaking up the team like alot of the analysts think, and with Mike Brown being more friendly to young guys than Phil ever was there will be more youth on the floor from here on.

The Lakers strength used to be the bench, but Barnes and Blake were absolute non-factors, especially in the post season. It is for that reason I think the Lakers should be making moves. They need to take a page from Dallas and bolster that bench with specialists. Barnes can be a spark, but Blake is done. Shannon Brown is good for a dunk or two, but not much else. If LAL is smart, they'd pick on LAC. Snatch up DeAndre Jordan as a FA and see about Eric Gordon. With Gordon, you'll have a guy who'll learn from Fish in what has to be his final year, and with Jordan, an offensive rebounder and aggression at the rim. Both can start or come off the bench effectively.

 

[STDiva]

L.A will be fine. Barnes, Artest, Blake will all benefit from Phil's departure. Barnes was solid before his injury and will be solid once the season starts. Blake can still be a productive PG. Artest admittedly couldn't play the triangle, but he can still ball. Besides, this team is going to be inside out next year. Bynum is going to be an all star and him and Gasol will make it that much easier for the guys on the wing. Plus, they'll actually play D next year. Brown and Kuester will make sure of that. The Lakers demise has been greatly exaggerated.

Shannon Brown is gone. I'd like Tayshaun Prince in L.A to take his minutes. And now that Phil is gone, I can see rookies like Darius Morris and Devin Ebanks getting some playing time I'm sure. They also have Trey Johnson who will spend time at both guard positions.

The Clippers aren't letting anybody have Gordon or Jordan. That's not even an option. And youthfullness is overrated. Remember who just won the title? Dallas Geriatrics. L.A will be fine.

 

[Icewater Jones]

L.A will be fine. Barnes, Artest, Blake will all benefit from Phil's departure. Barnes was solid before his injury and will be solid once the season starts. Blake can still be a productive PG. Artest admittedly couldn't play the triangle, but he can still ball. Besides, this team is going to be inside out next year. Bynum is going to be an all star and him and Gasol will make it that much easier for the guys on the wing. Plus, they'll actually play D next year. Brown and Kuester will make sure of that. The Lakers demise has been greatly exaggerated.

Shannon Brown is gone. I'd like Tayshaun Prince in L.A to take his minutes. And now that Phil is gone, I can see rookies like Darius Morris and Devin Ebanks getting some playing time I'm sure. They also have Trey Johnson who will spend time at both guard positions.

The Clippers aren't letting anybody have Gordon or Jordan. That's not even an option. And youthfullness is overrated. Remember who just won the title? Dallas Geriatrics. L.A will be fine.

Jordan is unrestricted. Honestly, what are you really gonna get out of Morris and Ebanks? Prince may be a decent pickup, but Dallas and their depth will continue to eat you up if you don't get some specialists out there. Morris, Ebanks and Johnson are nobodies. Stop hanging on to bench fillers and go get proven commodities. Artest has checked out mentally. Barnes never will be healthy. Blake is a multiple time castoff for a reason.

Grant Hill
Jason Richardson
DeAndre Jordan
David West
JR Smith
Caron Butler
Tyson Chandler
Anthony Parker
Jamal Crawford
NeNe
Carl Landry

all UFA's and the Lakers are an elite franchise that almost any player would be proud to join. LAL needs to build something to take down OKC and DAL as well as keep MEM and POR at bay.

 

[PJpenny]

the one guy i do like that the Lakers drafted was Andrew Gaudlocke, i think if he makes the team he could be a 3 point sharp shooter for the second unit, hed help alot with bench production.

 

[STDiva]

If Kobe plays in Turkey with Williams, you know he's gonna recruit him hard!

 

[iLoveRachlStarr]

Lets not forget Dwight Howard will be a Free Agent... and id b surpirsed to see him stay in Orlando. Hes one of my favorite players, and would love to see him in Philly ( I am a 76ers fan sadly ) Igodaula is not a free agent but is going to be shopped to shit by the 6ers and hes not bad...

and just my :2 cents: but OKC, Golden State, Memphis,LAC they are the teams of the future and i dont see Dallas , LA, or Boston winning in the near future to be honest, they had their light (as brief as dallas' was) and will surely be contendors in playoffs, but i dont see them winning rings anytime soon unless they do serious remodeling. Of course, Miami and Chicago are other contendors but chicago needs another guy and miami needs to get theyre shit straight before they win. I see OKC winning quite a few rings in the next 5-10 years if they keep progessing as a group and can find a more suitable center than Kendrick Perkins and Nenad Kristic

 

[STDiva]

Lets not forget Dwight Howard will be a Free Agent... and id b surpirsed to see him stay in Orlando. Hes one of my favorite players, and would love to see him in Philly ( I am a 76ers fan sadly ) Igodaula is not a free agent but is going to be shopped to shit by the 6ers and hes not bad...

and just my :2 cents: but OKC, Golden State, Memphis,LAC they are the teams of the future and i dont see Dallas , LA, or Boston winning in the near future to be honest, they had their light (as brief as dallas' was) and will surely be contendors in playoffs, but i dont see them winning rings anytime soon unless they do serious remodeling. Of course, Miami and Chicago are other contendors but chicago needs another guy and miami needs to get theyre shit straight before they win. I see OKC winning quite a few rings in the next 5-10 years if they keep progessing as a group and can find a more suitable center than Kendrick Perkins and Nenad Kristic

Krstic isn't in OKC anymore. He was traded for Perkins.

In other news, fuck Andrew Bynum.How can Jim Buss keep backing this punk? Ship his ass out for a point guard and sign Chandler!

 

[Icewater Jones]

Krstic isn't in OKC anymore. He was traded for Perkins.

In other news, fuck Andrew Bynum.How can Jim Buss keep backing this punk? Ship his ass out for a point guard and sign Chandler!

I wanted to rep this so bad...

 

[izabelplayer]

Lakers will be fine as long as kobe is recovers well from his injury. they will be a sick defense team with mike brown at the helm. it will be an interesting western conference finals matchup between lakers and mavs next year.

L.A will be fine. Barnes, Artest, Blake will all benefit from Phil's departure. Barnes was solid before his injury and will be solid once the season starts. Blake can still be a productive PG. Artest admittedly couldn't play the triangle, but he can still ball. Besides, this team is going to be inside out next year. Bynum is going to be an all star and him and Gasol will make it that much easier for the guys on the wing. Plus, they'll actually play D next year. Brown and Kuester will make sure of that. The Lakers demise has been greatly exaggerated.

Shannon Brown is gone. I'd like Tayshaun Prince in L.A to take his minutes. And now that Phil is gone, I can see rookies like Darius Morris and Devin Ebanks getting some playing time I'm sure. They also have Trey Johnson who will spend time at both guard positions.

The Clippers aren't letting anybody have Gordon or Jordan. That's not even an option. And youthfullness is overrated. Remember who just won the title? Dallas Geriatrics. L.A will be fine.

 

[Icewater Jones]

Lakers will be fine as long as kobe is recovers well from his injury. they will be a sick defense team with mike brown at the helm. it will be an interesting western conference finals matchup between lakers and mavs next year.

I predict that the Lakers will not get that far.

Dallas will be there, and OKC is the top 5 as far as money under the cap in the league. There is absolutely no way they don't use some of it this off season, and they're are seriously one decent piece away... perhaps a big man. Also, Portland's finish to the season last year is in no way indicative of their near future. They had, what I predict, will be one the top 5 draft days of the 2011 draft when they added Ray Felton (via trade) and drafted Duke's Nolan Smith and Ohio State's Jon Diebler. The starting lineup of Felton, Roy, Wallace, Aldridge, and Camby will be very tough to fuck with. Plus Smith, Batum, and the three-point specialist Diebler off the bench... Portland looks serious.

I still have LAL as the 3rd best in the West right now, but I really like Portland. They are just about 3B, IMO.

 

[izabelplayer]

Problem is Roy is not the same player he was a couple of years ago. He is no longer Portland's franchise player...OKC will be good if Westbrook takes less shots and passes more like to Durant.

I predict that the Lakers will not get that far.

Dallas will be there, and OKC is the top 5 as far as money under the cap in the league. There is absolutely no way they don't use some of it this off season, and they're are seriously one decent piece away... perhaps a big man. Also, Portland's finish to the season last year is in no way indicative of their near future. They had, what I predict, will be one the top 5 draft days of the 2011 draft when they added Ray Felton (via trade) and drafted Duke's Nolan Smith and Ohio State's Jon Diebler. The starting lineup of Felton, Roy, Wallace, Aldridge, and Camby will be very tough to fuck with. Plus Smith, Batum, and the three-point specialist Diebler off the bench... Portland looks serious.

I still have LAL as the 3rd best in the West right now, but I really like Portland. They are just about 3B, IMO.

 

[Icewater Jones]

Problem is Roy is not the same player he was a couple of years ago. He is no longer Portland's franchise player...OKC will be good if Westbrook takes less shots and passes more like to Durant.

Roy doesn't have to be the same player as years past. He's got Wallace at 17 and 8 per, and Aldridge at 21 and 8. Not to mention that Ray Felton is coming off a 17 ppg and 9 ast season. BTW: Who in the west is gonna keep them off the glass? Between Camby, Aldridge, and Wallace, you're looking at 26 boards per contest. You need to stop worrying about Brandon Roy and worry about his much improved options.