Loose Change - What Do You All Think?
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No I've read the counter arguments the govt debunking community came up with and they don't hold water. Steven Jones shows his evidence clearly and the dust is genuine as he documents.
Shifty
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You mean this Steven Jones? :hatsoff:
... In my understanding of structural design and the properties of structural steel I find Professor Jones' thesis that planted explosives (rather than fire from the planes) caused the collapse of the Towers, very unreliable.
... Before one (especially students) supports such a conspiracy theory, they should investigate all details of the theory. To me a practicing structural engineer of 57 continuous years (1941-1998), Professor Jones' presentations are very disturbing.
D. Allan Firmage
Professor Emeritus, Civil Engineering, BYU
Oh and another thing that's so funny about the debunker article you posted is that they say it would take so much thermite to melt the beams but yet we have molten pools of steel for months after caused by jet fuel :dunno: WTF!
They got nothing. And those angle cuts were not made by clean up workers. That is absolutely retarded.
They got nothing. And those angle cuts were not made by clean up workers. That is absolutely retarded.
Shifty
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Here comes the TKO.
http://www.debunking911.com/freefall.htm
Freefall?
North Tower: 15 seconds
South Tower: 22 seconds
pssst .. that's not free fall.
http://www.debunking911.com/freefall.htm
Freefall?
North Tower: 15 seconds
South Tower: 22 seconds
pssst .. that's not free fall.
Here comes the TKO.
http://www.debunking911.com/freefall.htm
Freefall?
North Tower: 15 seconds
South Tower: 22 seconds
pssst .. that's not free fall.
You post another discredited article from the Govt debunking site? Ok my rebuttal to that is read Debunking 911 Debunking by David Ray Griffin.
I don't have time right now to write a page of rubuttal.
Okay, WTC7WasPulled, here is my final word on all your conspiracy theory threads.
I appreciate that you are trying to figure things out. I'm glad you are doing research. I like that you think you are smart and that you have things figured out.
Why do you get so pissy when people disagree with you? You're offering your opinion, and you're offering the proof you think is valid. I **** to break it to you, but there is just as much proof to refute your points. You don't have things conclusively figured out. I like your passion, but I just can't stand the fact that you think you have everything entirely figured out. Sorry, you don't.
And you are not looking for discussion in your threads. You are proselytizing, and not well. You are looking to convert people to your viewpoint. Try offering some facts that come from credible sources, then honestly engage people who challenge you. You have done neither.
Don't try to convert us to your beliefs and then get cranky when we don't follow you.
I appreciate that you are trying to figure things out. I'm glad you are doing research. I like that you think you are smart and that you have things figured out.
Why do you get so pissy when people disagree with you? You're offering your opinion, and you're offering the proof you think is valid. I **** to break it to you, but there is just as much proof to refute your points. You don't have things conclusively figured out. I like your passion, but I just can't stand the fact that you think you have everything entirely figured out. Sorry, you don't.
And you are not looking for discussion in your threads. You are proselytizing, and not well. You are looking to convert people to your viewpoint. Try offering some facts that come from credible sources, then honestly engage people who challenge you. You have done neither.
Don't try to convert us to your beliefs and then get cranky when we don't follow you.
Shifty
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I've watched the videos on my own from various sources. Not one comes in anywhere close to 9 seconds. Those times are accurate.
Ace Boobtoucher
Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
I told you, Dirl. It is MiltonWaddums. No one else has EVER been this thick headed on this forum.
I appreciate that. I'm not cranky but it is sometimes frustrating when 911 is so obviously a controlled demolition and people refuse to look at the evidence. I mean anyone with high school physics should take a few replays of the towers collapses and of course Building 7 and see it wasn't jet fuel.
The blast squibs, the explosions, the molten steel, the freefall collapses, the shoddy 3 million dollar commission to investigate a year after controlled by the White House, the Silverstein pull it comment, no plane hit building 7, the Pentagon impossible strike, etc etc.
I mean how much does it take?
Shifty
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What is your definition of "obviously". In this thread I'll define it as "in WTC7WasPulled's opinion".
- I posted a quote by D. Allan Firmage, Professor Emeritus, Civil Engineering, BYU - a practicing structural engineer for 57 years who disagrees with your prophet.
- I demonstrated that wiring three skyscrapers to explode covertly is essentially impossible.
- I presented evidence showing that the buildings did not freefall.
All astutely countered. I'm nauseated by your ignorant persistence and by the leeway you're being given.
You refuted nothing I didn't counter. Have you read Debunking 911 Debunking by David Ray Griffin yet? I didn't think so. It destroys all those arguements you put forth.
No you didnt say anything about the Pentagon either. Watch this.
No you didnt say anything about the Pentagon either. Watch this.
With this monumental amount of obvious evidence that anyone with even the most limited amount of knowledge in the physical sciences could ascertain from your sources and their own common sense, it's odd then that there would be so little within the peer reviewed literature itself which backs up your particular claim or the claims of the people who run the various website and make the various Youtube videos you seem to cite constantly, isn't it? Peer review being the best way in which professional researchers can have their particular theories and pieces of research evaluated by other experts in the field.
From what I've read these various "experts" you cite who have actually taken the time to write a scholarly article on the subject have consistently decided against going through the peer review process in favour of just posting them online for anyone without any knowledge of the subject to just pick up and believe whether its suggestions are trustworthy or not. Now why is that? I mean their expertise and conclusions are solid, right?
Shifty
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David Ray Griffin is a retired professor of 'philosophy of religion and theology'. These subjects are referred to as 'electives' in university.
... are you putting this guy up against a structural engineer of 57 years?
I love Jesse Ventura as much as the next guy but c'mon he's a fucking wrestler.
Peer reviewed? You serious? So 1400+ Architects and Engineers aren't enough at http://www.ae911truth.org
And read this http://www.journalof911studies.com/...ollapse_Jones_Thermite_World_Trade_Center.pdf
And read this http://www.journalof911studies.com/...ollapse_Jones_Thermite_World_Trade_Center.pdf
Stop that. You sound intelligent, and I like making fun of you.
even if the towers were brought down by melting planes which I don't think they were, I still want to know how all radars to detect the threats were not working and no fighter jets could be scrambled on that day, it all smells foul, man has the technology to send astronauts into outer space and the tech to send satellites to other planets but somehow the country with the greatest industrial complex ever could not seem to detect those threats in the sky that day at that time, it all wreaks of bs, and now we go from well planned and executed terrorists being able to fly these huge missile planes into those buildings with pinpoint accuracy to terrorists who cant even make a proper under wear bomb to blow up on a plane and patsy who wanted to blow up christmas trees, again the common sense in all this false flag terrorism makes me sick, man I hope my fellow americans come out of their trance soon, we can't find osama but go ahead and not pay your taxes and flee to the other side of the world and I guarantee you will be found by the US military, we have thousands of our troops that have died in the middle east, we have found no weapons of mass destruction, our country has occurred massive debt to keep these wars going on across the world in the name of protecting us here in the US but our southern boarders are wide open and I guess the US military knows with 100 percent certainty that no terrorist could ever come into this country via mexico even though the borders are wide open and there are over 20,000 dead down there in the last few years but we must be naked body scanned and spied on here in our country all in the name of protection from the scary men in caves that will get us, the war in Afghanistan is not winnable, the brits tried to take it and got their asses handed to them, the russians tried to conquer and got their asses handed to them and now our troops are over there and we are going to lose, I feel for the safety of our troops as this conflict goes on
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