Guns Guns Guns !!!

A week, that's how long you have to wait. Be thankful it's not 10 days like out here, which if you look at the rules, is actually 10.5 days.
I can't even buy that gun here. Or 30 round mags without physically going out of state. California sucks.

damn all i have to do is go to the sheriffs department fill out my form and pay $10.00 and I have my pistol permit then go to my gun dealer and fill out my firearms form get it called in and give them the money and Im out the door. If its for a long gun then i just fill out the form pay and go. MY wife just picked me up a new charles daly 20 gauge yesterday. Mainly for her but ill hunt small game with it too, doves. shes going turkey hunting with me next week and didnt want to shoot a 12 gauge turkey load.
 
Wow, just wow.

I just go to my local gun store, fill out my 4473, give them my CCW card, and pay. I'm out in a matter of minutes. No permit bullshit or anything. Handgun, rifle, whatever. Only NFA is the pain, but that's completely different.

Without the CCW permit, you just wait while they call the FBI and do a B/K, then you leave with your firearm. When I didn't have my CCW, I never had the whole process take more than 30 minutes.
 
Wow, just wow.

I just go to my local gun store, fill out my 4473, give them my CCW card, and pay. I'm out in a matter of minutes. No permit bullshit or anything. Handgun, rifle, whatever. Only NFA is the pain, but that's completely different.

Without the CCW permit, you just wait while they call the FBI and do a B/K, then you leave with your firearm. When I didn't have my CCW, I never had the whole process take more than 30 minutes.

I wish it was like that here i have my ccw and have payed good money for it I think it would be only right to be able to use that istead of paying another 10 dollars for a permit. I had an H&K usp 40 for my 2nd pistol i owned when i was 19 I didnt care much for it I got rid of it and got my first glock 19 been hooked on glock since.
 
Huh?
Didi I miss something, it looked like it was made out of metal to me.
Hi,

From the link HeartBroker provided:

Derived from the HK UMP, the USC is a civilian utility carbine that uses the classic hard-hitting .45 ACP cartridge. Matched with the simple and ultra-reliable blowback operating system, the HK USC is a radical departure from traditional firearms designs. Extensive use of the same durable, reinforced polymers used on HK’s line of military and police arms ensures light weight and durability. And the highest grade of weapons steel is used where it matters—in the cold hammer forged target barrel and the solidly-constructed bolt mechanism. User ergonomics are not sacrificed. The skeletonized buttstock is topped with a comfortable rubber cheek rest and recoil pad. The web of the pistol grip is open for a comfortable shooting handhold. Hard points located on the top and front of the receiver make attachment of optional Picatinny rails easy, allowing almost any kind of sighting system or accessory to be mounted.
(emphasis mine)

Just the barrel and bolt mechanism is steel. Everything else is plastic.
Hell, I think even the M-one-six has too much plastic (and I served three tours with that b***h of a weapon) :)

I'm not a big fan of "very light weapons". I like my wood and steel.
Give me a Garand or M-one-four any day.

Just an old soldier's opinion.


cheers,
:)
 

Kingfisher

Here Zombie, Zombie, Zombie...
Hi,

From the link HeartBroker provided:

(emphasis mine)

Just the barrel and bolt mechanism is steel. Everything else is plastic.
Hell, I think even the M-one-six has too much plastic (and I served three tours with that b***h of a weapon) :)

Just an old soldier's opinion.


cheers,
:)


Oh, dur...
I agree with you Roughneck, but I do have an XD, and 22/45 which are the only two guns that I have, that are polymer guns. The others, all steel Smith revolvers and 1911's.
 

Facetious

Moderated
I decline to state :1orglaugh

but I really really want a Sig P 210 ! The one at the bottom of the page, in fact.
Talk about a precision piece ! :bowdown: If ever you guys get the opportunity to fire one, don't pass up on the experience. Also - observe how neatly put together the upper and lowers are. Just a gem. :yesyes:
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
I like the "P229" in .40S&W, it's my carry gun, and I feel it's a great balance between velocity and knock down power, combined with a reasonable capacity magazine and most importantly, the safety features. I swear by Sig Sauer, and Smith & Wesson.
 
The subsonic .45 ACP with an "in-line" barrel (and other recoil reduction)

The subsonic .45 ACP is making a comeback as a military round. You don't get the crack of sound like something supersonic.

http://www.hk-usa.com/rifles_usc_general.html
"Derived from the HK UMP, the USC is a civilian utility carbine that uses the classic hard-hitting .45 ACP cartridge. Matched with the simple and ultra-reliable blowback operating system, the HK USC is a radical departure from traditional firearms designs."
I was speaking in more general terms of the design rather than period specific models. That whole debate usually boils down to .45 Vs. 9MM anyway.
Putting the automatic cartridge limitations v. revolver ammo length aside in a pistol, there is a lot of promise in an "in-line" SMG.
I mean, at some point, the recoil is such a bitch that some people smack the hell out of themselves on their first shot.
And for soldiers, it's difficult to keep aim.

The TDI Vector "Kriss" uses an "in-line" barrel with the hand to put recoil virtually perpendicular to the shoulder rest (using stock) or arm (if outstretched).
While it was featured on Future Weapons, Mac didn't talk about the "in-line" barrel as much as the recoil spreading blow back system.
It's really the in-line barrel approach that makes it a precise SMG for up to 300m, especially since the barrel isn't much longer than a pistol.

http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg96-e.htm

It uses the .45 ACP in the first implementation.
Given that the barrel length is too short for civilian ownership, the .45 ACP is designed with special ops in mind, as it's easy to near silence the sub-sonic .45 ACP.

Frankly I'd like to see something like this design matched with a helical magazine for greater capacity.
Sticking in a limited capacity double stack pistol magazine doesn't go very far at 900-1100 rounds/minute.
Developing a proprietary one for just 25-32 rounds doesn't make much sense either.

The Russians came up with a good, 64 round one for the PP-19 Bizon that hung under the barrel, while Calico came up with 50 and 100 round units for their M900 series.

http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg08-e.htm
http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg57-e.htm

While I don't own any guns, as an engineer with defense experience, I take a general interest in the engineering and design.
 
LMAO! You read my mind!
:sing: Guuuns, Guuuns, Guuuns!!! :sing:
Actually, I think of Robocop where everyone pulls out guns and the main, evil character (Clarence something?) says "Guns, guns, guns, guns, guns!" without a drop of fear while they're pointed everywhere, including at him (seemingly unarmed).
 
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