Guns Guns Guns !!!

[Mr_A]

I would take any gun that can blow a head

Three to take out the world
.44 Magnum
AK-47/ Kalashnikov
M107 .50 cal sniper rifle
http://images4.hiboox.com/images/3410/1c2488b153339b6b195c186afc8b5255.jpg

some more of my fav. (might come in handy)
Sturmgewehr 44/ StG 44
.44 - .600 magnum
Remington 11-87
Winchester Model 1300 Defender
Benelli M4
M134 Minigun

 

[KLSsw08]

I've always known "Wolf" brand ammo to be steel cased. If they offer brass cased at that price, I would be amazed, delighted, and stand corrected. An H&K, isn't American made, so maybe it can handle steel casings better, but I would doubt they recommend it. A lot of steel cased ammo is also lacquer coated, and as the barrel heats up, the lacquer melts, causing it to stick in the chamber. That WILL rip an ejector out of a gun. I noticed most of what you've listed, are Russian calibers/guns...they are the exception, so that is a great advantage to those guns, but it you run enough of that steel cased, lacquer coated crap through an M1A, or an AR...you'll be dealing with problems. If I were you, I wouldn't run another single round of ammo through that H&K, that wasn't good quality, brass cased ammo. The rest of your rifles will handle it just fine. Now remember, this is just my opinion, but I would be willing to bet, a good number of the knowledgeable gun owners on this site, would agree, and many of them are VERY experienced with many types, and aspects of weapons, and ammo, not to mention reloading, and gunsmith work. Take it for what it's worth, I would hate to see one of your weapons damaged, or worse, you or another person hurt from a mishap.

Thank you for your advice.I will do some research and ask a few friends who are gun owners what they think also.Haven't had any problems with my rifles,I clean them everytime I shoot them.Thanks again for your advice and opinions.

Scott

 

[Facetious]

Meet Stephanie!
:woot woot: :nanner:
Yea, I know, endure the f'en commercial, what can I say. :dunno:

 

[domshooter]

the older s&w models are better than the new polymer military and police models

not in my opinion. my dad carried a Glock for years when he was a cop, and my brother carries the mini glock now. in all those years, they havnt had a problem, not once in the 4 different guns they have. dads 9mm, and my bros .40.

im always hearing of older style guns jamming and various other problems while in use in the PD. ive got nothing against them, as i love any gun i can get my hand on. but to choose a firearm id go with the Glock. the best handgun ever made

 

[georges]

not in my opinion. my dad carried a Glock for years when he was a cop, and my brother carries the mini glock now. in all those years, they havnt had a problem, not once in the 4 different guns they have. dads 9mm, and my bros .40.

im always hearing of older style guns jamming and various other problems while in use in the PD. ive got nothing against them, as i love any gun i can get my hand on. but to choose a firearm id go with the Glock. the best handgun ever made

My two uncles who were pilots (one in the usaf and the other in the usmc)were in nam (1970 till 1972), they carried a 1911 and later in the 80's they had a model 652 from s&w. They liked these weapons and they still have them, they have owned some glocks in the 90's but didn't like the trigger and the action mechanism. My cousins, one which is was in USMC and the other in 101, baught their first para ord in 1991, three years after the firm made its very first debut in the high cap 45 market. During Desert Shield, these weapons never have failed them whereas the beretta 92 was a jamming piece of shit which was dropped by many units. I was also reading that many soliders dropped their 92s for the good old 1911 which is very reliable. My cousins and my uncles have been devotees of the 1911s and its derivatives as well as devotees of the cz75/imi jericho pistol which are both very reliable. I have fired with several older generation auto pistol from s&w like the 745, 659, 5906, 4506, 1006 and 652. I liked the all steel construction and the heavy weight. I also fired with one of the most interesting hk, the p7m13, very consistent groups and very good barrel. I think your mileage may vary, I stick to what I know, which for me is all steel construction and a good balanced trigger allowing fast shooting. The new para ord models are pretty interesting, pricey maybe but quality doesn't have a price limit.
Here are some models I like from Para
http://www.para-usa.com/new/product_pistol.php?id=71
http://www.para-usa.com/new/product_pistol.php?id=12
http://www.para-usa.com/new/product_pistol.php?id=10
http://www.para-usa.com/new/product_pistol.php?id=84

 

[bahodeme]

Buck Mark Pistol 22LR (cheap ammo)
Remington 870 12 ga
Glock 20 10mm & 21 45ACP
Rossi 971 357mag
Weatherby Mark V 30-378 Weatherby Mag.(Ammo is now outrageously expensive)
Hopefully this year-M1A Super Match

 

[Facetious]

All Glock owners say that, but I don't like double action only, I don't like plastic, and that thing on the trigger is fucked up. I just don't like them. I'll stick with Sig.

I don't like the bulbous backstrap on my 35 (and all full sized glock frames for that matter) it's so awkward in my hand. Glock should offer their customers a frame option like this , IMO.
As for the double action trigger, it's not my favorite action being a Govt Model clone devotee that I am, but for defensive carry, a double action less an exposed hammer would be my choice. . .
probably an S&W M&P .40 cal.

 

[Marlo Manson]

Ok I got a question... well its more like a read between the lines kind of question, I DON"T know the answer that's why I am asking people who are more GUN savvy then I when it comes to Firearms knowledge.

Now I also know allot of you DON'T listen to RAP music, and that's cool, but I do, and Rappers use mostly STREET SLANG when they rap/talk as you all know.

That said I heard these lyrics and I can't figure out what kind of gun the guy is describing, maybe one of you might have an idea or know what gun the guy is referring too... the lyrics he says are "see the big barrel of the chrome fifth triple grip handle in the squeeze.?" anybody know if he is referring too a Pistol, Revolver, or some type of Shotgun/Rifle???

 

[georges]

Ok I got a question... well its more like a read between the lines kind of question, I DON"T know the answer that's why I am asking people who are more GUN savvy then I when it comes to Firearms knowledge.

Now I also know allot of you DON'T listen to RAP music, and that's cool, but I do, and Rappers use mostly STREET SLANG when they rap/talk as you all know.

That said I heard these lyrics and I can't figure out what kind of gun the guy is describing, maybe one of you might have an idea or know what gun the guy is referring too... the lyrics he says are "see the big barrel of the chrome fifth triple grip handle in the squeeze.?" anybody know if he is referring too a Pistol, Revolver, or some type of Shotgun/Rifle???

Certainly desert eagle which is available in chromed finish for the rest of the guns actually it is impossible to have a chromed finish. The desert eagle has also a large grip.

 

[Marlo Manson]

Certainly desert eagle which is available in chromed finish for the rest of the guns actually it is impossible to have a chromed finish. The desert eagle has also a large grip.

My gut was telling me it was a chrome .50 cal Desert Eagle.. but I wasn't sure.. Thanks my friend. :glugglug:

 

[CunningStunts]

I have what I refer to as my "just in case the zombies attack" setup!

Glock 23 third gen with rough textured grips (X2, matching pair)

Bushmaster M4A2 16" barrel and retractable stock (with a 3X magnification dot scope)

Remington 870 12 gauge

Because you can never be too prepared

 

[Mauser98k]

my latest acquisition:

 

[Facetious]

I have what I refer to as my "just in case the zombies attack" setup!

Glock 23 third gen with rough textured grips (X2, matching pair)

Bushmaster M4A2 16" barrel and retractable stock (with a 3X magnification dot scope)

Remington 870 12 gauge

Well done, nice choices! :hatsoff:

Because you can never be too prepared

..Never because quite frankly, we don't know the exact nature of what could hit us . . . a band of rlled up, whipped into a frenzy ACORN thugs, A couple of EMPs detonated about . . what, 40K' above major cities on the east and west coast(?), significant tectonic activity (on westcoast), looting, simultaneous terrorist attacks in large metropolitan cities along the east coast, west coast and selected cities in between, an asteroid, severe civil unrest, revolution . . nobody knows!

..Back to the EMP for a second . . we could be absolutely paralyzed as a nation if we were to be bitch slapped by 2 ea of those on each coast, for everything that is electronic (what isn't these days) that happens to be in direct line of sight is said to f-a-i-l! Could you imagine the ramifications of that nightmare?
Dayom! so much for my pocket 200 lumen LED flashlights . . I just thought of that actually.:o Well, I'm glad that I kept some of my old incandescent flashlights!

Really, this segment of the thread should should split and become a thread all it's own, I'd be curious to see how many people actually post in such a discussion to show us how prepared they are in the event that ???? should occur.
Oh sure you'd get your fair share of '':tinhat:'' type of postings . . or maybe not after their sorry asses come to understand how vulnerable each of us are at any given moment.

Weatherby Mark V 30-378 Weatherby Mag.(Ammo is now outrageously expensive)

I'm guessing that that particular round for a box of 20 rounds costs about $60 - 70 per box? Am I close? Honestly, it's just and educated guess.

 

[Facetious]

my latest acquisition:

Do I sense that you'll be upgrading to a larger, more accommodating safe in the near future?

Wait a minute.... Is that Freeones very own ''Orange Cat'' who's showing some interest in your newest addition (upper left in pic)? By golly it is "the Orange Cat", how about that!

meow!

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

..Back to the EMP for a second . . we could be absolutely paralyzed as a nation if we were to be bitch slapped by 2 ea of those on each coast, for everything that is electronic (what isn't these days) that happens to be in direct line of sight is said to f-a-i-l! Could you imagine the ramifications of that nightmare?
Dayom! so much for my pocket 200 lumen LED flashlights . . I just thought of that actually.:o Well, I'm glad that I kept some of my old incandescent flashlights!

Really, this segment of the thread should should split and become a thread all it's own, I'd be curious to see how many people actually post in such a discussion to show us how prepared they are in the event that ???? should occur.
Oh sure you'd get your fair share of '':tinhat:'' type of postings . . or maybe not after their sorry asses come to understand how vulnerable each of us are at any given moment.
.

If/when the SHTF I have family in the middle of nowhere with an arsenal. I am set. Love it there, because after we are done firing all you hear around you is gunfire all over the place. Oddly the safest place in the world to me. :2 cents: Believe in over a hundred years there has only been one murder and it was domestic (lovers triangle).

As far as IF the SHTF - It would not surprise me in the least. I mean, let's face it, there are people all over the world that do nothing but train for such an assault. Best believe I will not be hoping Uncle Sam saves me. :nono:

 

[Kingfisher]

I thought the understanding was that EMP only affected electronics that were active at the time and how open they are exposed to the sky.
A lot of stuff is shielded because some manufactures are required to shield so they won't interfere with other nearby components or other devices.

I do still laugh when Flight-Stews tell you to turn off your Ipod because it'll bring down the plane. Yes, my Ipod is a high-burst Microwave transmitter. They should train them better.

So... we all have guns, we should know how to use them.
But in a shit-hits-the-fan situation. Do you have enough AMMO and SEVERAL MAGAZINES PER GUN to sustain yourself? That piddly 100 rounds is not going to cut it at all. And if that one magazine you have breaks, you're F'd.

I should post a pic of my arsenal... I have 2 safes.

 

[domshooter]

My two uncles who were pilots (one in the usaf and the other in the usmc)were in nam (1970 till 1972), they carried a 1911 and later in the 80's they had a model 652 from s&w. They liked these weapons and they still have them, they have owned some glocks in the 90's but didn't like the trigger and the action mechanism. My cousins, one which is was in USMC and the other in 101, baught their first para ord in 1991, three years after the firm made its very first debut in the high cap 45 market. During Desert Shield, these weapons never have failed them whereas the beretta 92 was a jamming piece of shit which was dropped by many units. I was also reading that many soliders dropped their 92s for the good old 1911 which is very reliable. My cousins and my uncles have been devotees of the 1911s and its derivatives as well as devotees of the cz75/imi jericho pistol which are both very reliable. I have fired with several older generation auto pistol from s&w like the 745, 659, 5906, 4506, 1006 and 652. I liked the all steel construction and the heavy weight. I also fired with one of the most interesting hk, the p7m13, very consistent groups and very good barrel. I think your mileage may vary, I stick to what I know, which for me is all steel construction and a good balanced trigger allowing fast shooting. The new para ord models are pretty interesting, pricey maybe but quality doesn't have a price limit.
Here are some models I like from Para
http://www.para-usa.com/new/product_pistol.php?id=71
http://www.para-usa.com/new/product_pistol.php?id=12
http://www.para-usa.com/new/product_pistol.php?id=10
http://www.para-usa.com/new/product_pistol.php?id=84

mmmm the 14/45 is sexy.

but i will agree with you on the 92 being a piece of shit. no power, heavy as shit and jams like a bitch. hence my dads reasoning for switching from his issued 92 to his personal G22. i do indeed love the 1911, and i hope all branches go back to it regardless. there have been enough improvements in magazine capacity etc etc for it to be a perfect choice.

 

[Member2019]

The US is moving back to .45 ACP

but i will agree with you on the 92 being a piece of shit. no power, heavy as shit and jams like a bitch. hence my dads reasoning for switching from his issued 92 to his personal G22. i do indeed love the 1911, and i hope all branches go back to it regardless. there have been enough improvements in magazine capacity etc etc for it to be a perfect choice.

Major portions of the US military are considering going back to the .45 ACP, away from the 9mm, for stopping power, among other things. I know some EU nations are considering the .45 ACP again for some special units for the same reasons, including supression (as it is subsonic).

The US military has also, increasingly shown a desire to get away from the 5.56x45 for both stopping power and range as well. The general shift has been towards the existing 7.62x51, but there are also the 6.8 SPC and others. There was a move to the caseless ammo, but that shift doesn't look like it will happen unless there is a 2x improvement in effectiveness.

It's ironic that the 6.8 SPC is basically what the British wanted to adopt in the .280 after WWII, for a 300m engagement (which the Nazis showed with the 7.92x33, and the Russians with the eventual 7.62x39), although the 6.8 SPC doesn't have good flight ballistics, still leaving units with the same problem as the 5.56 in the wide-open desert. Even the US almost went with the .276 Pederson before WWII, and that would have been that (possibly with improvements in the .276 cartridge later on).

Instead, we have this split 5.56 and 7.62 approach, with all sorts of special and wildcat cartridges.

Ironically I think the answer is actually in variants of the PPC, like the 6.5 (really 6.7) Grendel, like it's 123gr (8g) incarnation that really results in great ballistics that best the 6.8 SPC close up, and even the 7.62 NATO at 1,000m (still being supersonic). It's really the jack-of-all trades, works well in a 12-16" barrel and a 20-24" sniper version.

At the same time, there is an argument that the magazine design of the 7.62x39 Russian, being that the PPC/Grendel share its parent case, are superior (even with the taper). I know the Grendel is proprietary, but they should have been researching those designs. Even the US Marines have a 6mm sniper variant that is similar.

In any case, an intermediate that is far better than the 5.56 NATO (especially in a short barrel) is sorely needed. And the 7.62 NATO is often over-powered, and can be bested by an intermediate round. Just seems like the US should have realized this in the '50s. While the British .280 wasn't the answer, and the 6.8 SPC isn't any more of an answer today, there have been many intermediate designs with great short-range power that still give a great, flat trajectory out to 700-1,000m, more on-par with the 7.62 NATO at a weight that is closer to the 5.56.

 

[E-Ann-Hilden]

Go for a Ruger. American built, and roughly the same cost as a Taurus.
High end - Smith & Wesson.

Ended up with a .40S&W Full Size M&P Model, the revolvers were too expensive.

Small add to my collection:

Benelli Montefeltro 12 Ga. shotgun
Stevens 1962 Single Shot .22 Rifle

I sold my HK Pistol a few years ago, liked it more the new S&W.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

Re: The US is moving back to .45 ACP

Major portions of the US military are considering going back to the .45 ACP, away from the 9mm, for stopping power, among other things. I know some EU nations are considering the .45 ACP again for some special units for the same reasons, including supression (as it is subsonic).

The US military has also, increasingly shown a desire to get away from the 5.56x45 for both stopping power and range as well. The general shift has been towards the existing 7.62x51, but there are also the 6.8 SPC and others. There was a move to the caseless ammo, but that shift doesn't look like it will happen unless there is a 2x improvement in effectiveness.

It's ironic that the 6.8 SPC is basically what the British wanted to adopt in the .280 after WWII, for a 300m engagement (which the Nazis showed with the 7.92x33, and the Russians with the eventual 7.62x39), although the 6.8 SPC doesn't have good flight ballistics, still leaving units with the same problem as the 5.56 in the wide-open desert. Even the US almost went with the .276 Pederson before WWII, and that would have been that (possibly with improvements in the .276 cartridge later on).

Instead, we have this split 5.56 and 7.62 approach, with all sorts of special and wildcat cartridges.

Ironically I think the answer is actually in variants of the PPC, like the 6.5 (really 6.7) Grendel, like it's 123gr (8g) incarnation that really results in great ballistics that best the 6.8 SPC close up, and even the 7.62 NATO at 1,000m (still being supersonic). It's really the jack-of-all trades, works well in a 12-16" barrel and a 20-24" sniper version.

At the same time, there is an argument that the magazine design of the 7.62x39 Russian, being that the PPC/Grendel share its parent case, are superior (even with the taper). I know the Grendel is proprietary, but they should have been researching those designs. Even the US Marines have a 6mm sniper variant that is similar.

In any case, an intermediate that is far better than the 5.56 NATO (especially in a short barrel) is sorely needed. And the 7.62 NATO is often over-powered, and can be bested by an intermediate round. Just seems like the US should have realized this in the '50s. While the British .280 wasn't the answer, and the 6.8 SPC isn't any more of an answer today, there have been many intermediate designs with great short-range power that still give a great, flat trajectory out to 700-1,000m, more on-par with the 7.62 NATO at a weight that is closer to the 5.56.

I believe I have read that, the US military WILL NOT be adopting the 6.8SPC, but are in fact updating the M14, and using it in many special forces situations, and have come up with some pretty bad ass long range tactical variants. I believe I read that in an "American Rifleman" mag. I also just read in the new issue, that Lewis Machine Technologies has signed a contract with the British military to provide them with a decent number of their 7.62x51 "AR style" gas piston rifles.

A gun which I must say, I have had my eye on for a while....and makes me drool like a baby every time I see it! Carries an approximate price tag of $3500.00. I'm saving up...in a decade or two!