This might be a good year for a write in on the ticket... I could probably fabricate a better candidate while half ***** than they have been able to produce for us.
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This might be a good year for a write in on the ticket... I could probably fabricate a better candidate while half ***** than they have been able to produce for us.
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I agree wholeheartedly with this statement.
What's worrisome is how the body political apparatus has successfully manufactured the idea that McCain is a Gold Standard Conservative ! . . . and the liberal media bash him as if he actually was a conservative !
McCain could have one or two ***** differences in opposition toward the democratic platform and for that he's publik enemy 101.
This is dangerous for representative government, as this ****** both parties even further toward the ideal communist model.
From my vantage point, you ***** who champion this stuff don't realize and or cherish the liberties you have ! All that you know is you want "CHANGE".
I prefer a balanced approach. Did we already forget how quickly either an R or D dominance of both houses and the Presidency can pillage, plunder and decimate the things that are important to us all ?
The liberals today apparently detest reciprocity in governance, thus they're not democratic. Obedient yes, but democratic, hardly.
Go off now and tow the party line now, just don't get outta step !
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If he wins he will be, by far, the coolest president ever.
He's a liberal through and through. I'm not fooled at all.
Campaign Finance Reform a few years back set off all the alarms I needed to hear. I never thought he'd get this far.
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I believe it's implied when you stay home on November 2.
"Ron Paul hints he's quitting race"
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"WASHINGTON - GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul is hinting to supporters that he is ending his long-shot campaign for the presidency.
The Texas Republican congressman addressed supporters in a 7 1/2-minute video on his campaign Web site Thursday night and did not specifically say he was quitting the race.
He said that although victory in the conventional political sense is not available in the presidential race, many victories have been achieved due to the hard work and enthusiasm of his supporters.
He said that he hoped that one day he and his supporters could look back and say his campaign was a significant first step that signaled a change in direction for the country."
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Time will tell if he and his followers remain any sort of political *****.As I always maintained he knew he had no real chance of success and hoped to become a voice for something afterwards.He is still looking for contributions and wants you to buy his manifesto at Amazon.Nothing wrong with that but again we will see if the money keeps coming in or he fades away like almost all others have in the past.The Ross Perot movement tried to survive also and even got Jesse Ventura elected as gov of MN.But they are no longer with us.We will see what long term effects if any Paul and his campaign have,If I had to bet it would not be much.He had his 15 minutes.
In other news.
"Obama aide sorry for '*******' comment"
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LONDON - An adviser to Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama apologized Friday for telling a Scottish newspaper that rival Hillary Rodham Clinton is "a *******."
If Obama and his campaign are going to get tough and go negative they should get some lessons on how to do it where you don't have to try to retract what you said .They will need that ability if he is the nominee when they face the pubs.
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"WASHINGTON - GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul is hinting to supporters that he is ending his long-shot campaign for the presidency.
The Texas Republican congressman addressed supporters in a 7 1/2-minute video on his campaign Web site Thursday night and did not specifically say he was quitting the race.
He said that although victory in the conventional political sense is not available in the presidential race, many victories have been achieved due to the hard work and enthusiasm of his supporters.
He said that he hoped that one day he and his supporters could look back and say his campaign was a significant first step that signaled a change in direction for the country."
Link to his video message:
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Time will tell if he and his followers remain any sort of political *****.As I always maintained he knew he had no real chance of success and hoped to become a voice for something afterwards.He is still looking for contributions and wants you to buy his manifesto at Amazon.Nothing wrong with that but again we will see if the money keeps coming in or he fades away like almost all others have in the past.The Ross Perot movement tried to survive also and even got Jesse Ventura elected as gov of MN.But they are no longer with us.We will see what long term effects if any Paul and his campaign have,If I had to bet it would not be much.He had his 15 minutes.
In other news.
"Obama aide sorry for '*******' comment"
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LONDON - An adviser to Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama apologized Friday for telling a Scottish newspaper that rival Hillary Rodham Clinton is "a *******."
If Obama and his campaign are going to get tough and go negative they should get some lessons on how to do it where you don't have to try to retract what you said .They will need that ability if he is the nominee when they face the pubs.
after his last video update i was gonna pm you about what you said. you were right about that. he is the elder statesman that we 'paultards' flock to, but the movement will continue. i have never been very energized by any political movement before, donating maybe $100 here or there. after seeing the country slide so far down the pole, i guess the time was ripe for the message.
it seems so simple to me. just look at what's wrong with this country. look at history, and how we got here.
look at the economy, cycles and bubbles, booms and busts, bigger all the time. monopoly money.
look at the out of control empire. we're mirroring the soviet collapse.
read the declaration of independence.
read the constitution.
i'm a little ashamed to say that it's not hope that motivates me in this struggle, but fear and survival. i have small ********, and it really pisses me off that they are going to have to suffer a lesser quality of life because of government encroachment in all areas of personal liberty.
i'll be in washington dc jun 21. hope you can make it.
Great. With Ron Paul gone the only options on the ballot are all gonna be liberals. I think I'll just vote for myself this year.
I don't know that Paul really fits into the category of conservative or Liberal,not at least the way the words are used these days.He supports legalizing pot, pulling out of Iraq and not pursuing the so-called war on ******.He is pro-life though.He really is a combination of different positions,some that would be called liberal/progressive and some that would be called conservative.Some might see that as a plus and some would say its a minus that he fits neitheir.
While I am at this lol this notion that McCain is a Liberal/Progressive I think is crazy.He is very pro-life,supports the war in Iraq and the decision to start the war in the 1st place and is for cutting taxes on the wealthy some more.He may not be on board with the total anti-immigration wing of the pub party but that is about the only thing he deviates from them on.I don't see campaign finance reform as a conservative/progressive divide.Only rich folks who like the way big money is allowed to influence the elections could be against that IMO.Is the conservative movement that much a total captive of the rich that it thinks they should be able to buy so much influence?
As a self-described progressive let me tell ya that McCains view on abortion rights and the war and taxes make him unacceptable to me.
i just want to address a couple things. ron paul describes himself as a conservative, in the tradition of Premium Link Upgrade and Premium Link Upgrade .
what passes for conservative today is. . .i don't know.
ron paul is not soft on terrorism. he states that it should be treated as a crime, not an act of war. he is also proactive about eliminating the root cause of terrorism: occupation of foreign soil.
about mccain: my personal feelings are that he is an utter tool, and is being thrown away this election cycle. i couldn't be more delighted, as i see him as representing everything wrong with politicians in general, and washington specifically. labelling him liberal or conservative is pointless to me, in fact those labels have become irrelevent. i see two wings of the same party; the boot-on-your-neck party.
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this thing is very complicated, and like a lot of legislation that gets ******, had some consequences that were either not implied, or not intended. i need to study more on the subject, but i think i'm right to say that it props up the status quo, and harms the public trust.
conservatism means:
sound money
low (preferably no) personal taxation
humble foreign policy
government out of your pocket and out of your life
what passes for conservatism in the republican party today has been subverted by first the moral majority, and then the neocons (formerly neoliberals).
labels are now useless. when you hear a politician speak, ask yourself: "how is this person trying to fuck me?"
the constitution was meant to chain down and limit the government. sounds crazy, considering what's been happeneing around here.
Negator, you only defined "Fiscal Conservatism"...there's also a "Social Conservative" side to it as well. The Republican Party does actually take stands on social issues (whether they actually do anything about these social issues is for another debate)...things like Anti-Abortion, Anti-Gay Marriage, Anti-****, Pro Death Penalty, Anti-Law Suit etc..
I find it sad and absurd that people who claim to be upset and angry at Dubya and the Pubs will refuse to vote for Obama or Hillary "because they're Liberal." Hmm. Maybe vote for Obama because, yes, he's Liberal, yes he knows more about the Constitution then the beloved Ron Paul, and yes he wants to unwind all the messes that Dubya has made...maybe unwinding those messes, beginning with ending the Iraq Occupation might actually put the Country back on track. I don't want to **** away Trillions of our collective money in the desert sand. That seems fiscally stupid to me, actually. I don't think it's right for Gov't to run up deficits blindly. I don't think we have Free Markets in a lot of business sectors and that seems fine for Republicans as long as the cash flows into the Party...
It almost makes me question the "United Americanism" of people who, if they don't get their way, run home, hide under the covers, and hope that problems will magically disappear....one day.
"Gee...sniff sniff..I REALLY thought Bush would be a good president..sniff sniff...but nothing worked out at all. It got worse..it must be THOSE LIBERALS!!!"
I find it sad and absurd that people who claim to be upset and angry at Dubya and the Pubs will refuse to vote for Obama or Hillary "because they're Liberal." Hmm. Maybe vote for Obama because, yes, he's Liberal, yes he knows more about the Constitution then the beloved Ron Paul, and yes he wants to unwind all the messes that Dubya has made...maybe unwinding those messes, beginning with ending the Iraq Occupation might actually put the Country back on track. I don't want to **** away Trillions of our collective money in the desert sand. That seems fiscally stupid to me, actually. I don't think it's right for Gov't to run up deficits blindly. I don't think we have Free Markets in a lot of business sectors and that seems fine for Republicans as long as the cash flows into the Party...
It almost makes me question the "United Americanism" of people who, if they don't get their way, run home, hide under the covers, and hope that problems will magically disappear....one day.
"Gee...sniff sniff..I REALLY thought Bush would be a good president..sniff sniff...but nothing worked out at all. It got worse..it must be THOSE LIBERALS!!!"
The issse is Mississippi "was" NEVER on the map of United States.
If it is NOT for Obama, Mrs. Hillary Clinton would never come to Canton, Mississippi for the upcoming Tuesday Election.
It is the first time in the US HISTORY that Mississippi plays a bigger role than neighboring state Florida in any federal Election.
It is also important for all those who lives in PR, Indiana, N. Carolina that their votes count.
I have learned so much in this Primary that I never even learned in school (high school, college or even university)
1. I never even knew there is such thing as superdelegates.
2. I never knew you can vote "TWICE" in Texas !!
3. I did not know the dates for the Primary are fixed by the DNC and RNC.
4. Never in 232 years, Mississippi played any major roles in Presidential or Primary Election until now (and most did not even know Katrina actually hit Mississippi Gulf coast not New Orleans (New Orleans was flooded but not directly hit by Katrina)
5. It is a civic lesson for all of us in learning the political science of US Election system.
If it is NOT for Obama, Mrs. Hillary Clinton would never come to Canton, Mississippi for the upcoming Tuesday Election.
It is the first time in the US HISTORY that Mississippi plays a bigger role than neighboring state Florida in any federal Election.
It is also important for all those who lives in PR, Indiana, N. Carolina that their votes count.
I have learned so much in this Primary that I never even learned in school (high school, college or even university)
1. I never even knew there is such thing as superdelegates.
2. I never knew you can vote "TWICE" in Texas !!
3. I did not know the dates for the Primary are fixed by the DNC and RNC.
4. Never in 232 years, Mississippi played any major roles in Presidential or Primary Election until now (and most did not even know Katrina actually hit Mississippi Gulf coast not New Orleans (New Orleans was flooded but not directly hit by Katrina)
5. It is a civic lesson for all of us in learning the political science of US Election system.
Marxist/communist/fascist George Soros was a big proponent of McCain-Feingold:
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This guy is the scum of the earth, if you ask me. A real sleaz-ball. He's right there with the open borders (crush middle Americans) crowd as well. He might even buy the election:
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And you think you had a voice?
i boldened it for you. it's right there. government stay out of our lives.
i think you probably didn't read my post thoroughly. i was trying to make the point that the republican party is not the conservative party. that label is just a peeling sticker. what's underneath is the same everywhere in washington.
i hope the rest of your post is not directed at me.
just in case it is: :*****:
obama the constitutional lawyer. yeah. we'll see what that's all about.
Negator,
I did read your post, and it puzzled me. Your version of conservatism has been proven from Barry Goldwater to Ron Paul to be completely :*****: with respect to the American people. It is why the American people did not vote for Goldwater (he lost by the largest margin ever) and why they turned their back on Ron Paul today...:dunno: Don't you want to be relevant within today's Political discourse or do you want to return "to the shadows and the fringe?"
I think if Barack Obama was hired by the Univ of Chicago to teach Constitutional Law, that qualifies him to be more of an expert on the Constitution than Ron Paul. Don't you agree with that?
The Republican Party is in a real bind. It must decide what it is today. Is it the party of Big Business and Big Military? Or is it the party of Big Religion? If it remains the party of Big Business, this leads to the slippery slope of monopoly and consolidation and price/market control (less Free Market, basically.) This was the kind of party that your pal William Taft fought against.
The kind of changes I'd like to see happen with our country seem to be located within most elements of the Democratic Party and with the kind of President I think Barack Obama will be, less what Hillary will be, and more like what Edwards might've been.
I did read your post, and it puzzled me. Your version of conservatism has been proven from Barry Goldwater to Ron Paul to be completely :*****: with respect to the American people. It is why the American people did not vote for Goldwater (he lost by the largest margin ever) and why they turned their back on Ron Paul today...:dunno: Don't you want to be relevant within today's Political discourse or do you want to return "to the shadows and the fringe?"
I think if Barack Obama was hired by the Univ of Chicago to teach Constitutional Law, that qualifies him to be more of an expert on the Constitution than Ron Paul. Don't you agree with that?
The Republican Party is in a real bind. It must decide what it is today. Is it the party of Big Business and Big Military? Or is it the party of Big Religion? If it remains the party of Big Business, this leads to the slippery slope of monopoly and consolidation and price/market control (less Free Market, basically.) This was the kind of party that your pal William Taft fought against.
The kind of changes I'd like to see happen with our country seem to be located within most elements of the Democratic Party and with the kind of President I think Barack Obama will be, less what Hillary will be, and more like what Edwards might've been.
The point still stands. Soros (and other Marxist') will buy the election if they want. Proof is in the candidates we have to "choose" from.
please titsrock. . .make me relevent again!:******:
i just have to wonder, what would a lawyer want to do with the constitution? because it seems pretty straightforward to me.
i have to agree with you about the republican party, it's been tossed. but then, i said that already about 8 posts back. thanks for reading.
The point still stands. Soros (and other Marxist') will buy the election if they want. Proof is in the candidates we have to "choose" from.
As I recall you were a supporter of Ron Paul.I think he had more than his fair share of coverage.He got way more coverage than the amount of votes he actually got would have warranted IMO.He had every opportunity to be heard and "chosen".His problem was his appeal was confined to a narrow vocal hardcore few and his vote totals were small compared to the others.I was an Edwards supporter ,he went nowhere too.Thats the problem with democracy people besides us get to choose LOL.
Now I will admit that I would like to see some changes that enable a more diverse range of people to be viable condidates.But again until the way elections are funded is dealt with and the need for huge sums to be able to be viable is eliminated I think that will never happen.
What would a lawyer have to with the constitution?Same thing judges would have to do with it, which is try to interpret it.This idea that it is a static document that spells out in black and white the answers to all constitutional questions is totally wrong IMO.It was always intended to be a basic outline of rights that would need interpretation as we went.Thats what the supreme court was formed to do.You can argue about some of the interpretations but I don't think any serious constitutional scholar would argue that it was not meant to be interpreted.The founders I think delibertly did it this way as they were smart enough to realize that they could not forsee all eventual situations.I will just give an example of the changes in technology that have occured.There is no specific right in the constitution to not have your phone calls or e-mails monitored but it has been interpreted based on a right to privacy(another right not specifically mentioned) that it is unconstitutional in most cases to do so without a warrant.
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