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Cop punches girl in face
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Lust
Lost at Birth
i've been physically accosted by the police twice. once, i may have deserved it but the other time it was mistaken identity. each time though, when confronted by the police i immediately cooperated even though they continued to be rough i still played submissive. why? because i can still have my day in court later. to argue with them on the spot will do absolutely nothing in my favor. maybe if i was white it would, but i don't know and i would still cooperate. every time i come in contact with a cop i'm getting sized up cos i'm a big guy and i have dark skin. but that's ok, i've already sized up the situation with him. if he's going to confront me on anything i'm going to be cooperative, pleasant and non-confrontational. why? because i'll have my day in court.
that stupid cunt in all her stupid cunt mentality just made it that much more difficult for the next person with dark skin that comes into contact with that cop or any of his buddies. it's just another perceived reason to treat me or people like me with more aggression because that dumb stupid fucking cunt of a bitch doesn't fucking know how to act properly in that situation. you don't physically touch a cop, not push, not hit, not tickle, not gently rest your finger on his dick...you just don't fucking touch a cop in a confrontation like that. you have to be the stupidest fucking imbecile to even think its going to go over well. you just don't fucking do it. it makes it worse for everyone cos the next time someone comes in contact with that cop he's already going to have a preconceived notion of how things are probably going to go down.
i've been hit in the head by a baton when i was trying to break up a fight at a football game. maybe it was cos i'm dark skinned, maybe not. i've been thrown to the ground and a knee thrown into my back bearing the full weight of cop because i was mistaken for another dark skinned person selling drugs at a concert. i'm fucking tired of it and it doesnt fucking help when stupid fucking cunts like that act like an ignorant moron. fuck her. i want to hit her too simply cos she's too fucking ignorant to realize she perpetuates a stereotype. just cos she's a woman doesn't give her a free pass to be a cretin. just shut the fuck up and tell it to the judge, at least in that situation you will be allowed to have your say.
like i said, woe unto the next dark skinned person who is confronted by that cop. they have that stupid fucking bitch to thank. take your day in court to exercise your right of rebuttal, don't do it on the street cos you will lose, lose, lose and in some instances, as we see here, you get punched in the face.
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that stupid cunt in all her stupid cunt mentality just made it that much more difficult for the next person with dark skin that comes into contact with that cop or any of his buddies. it's just another perceived reason to treat me or people like me with more aggression because that dumb stupid fucking cunt of a bitch doesn't fucking know how to act properly in that situation. you don't physically touch a cop, not push, not hit, not tickle, not gently rest your finger on his dick...you just don't fucking touch a cop in a confrontation like that. you have to be the stupidest fucking imbecile to even think its going to go over well. you just don't fucking do it. it makes it worse for everyone cos the next time someone comes in contact with that cop he's already going to have a preconceived notion of how things are probably going to go down.
i've been hit in the head by a baton when i was trying to break up a fight at a football game. maybe it was cos i'm dark skinned, maybe not. i've been thrown to the ground and a knee thrown into my back bearing the full weight of cop because i was mistaken for another dark skinned person selling drugs at a concert. i'm fucking tired of it and it doesnt fucking help when stupid fucking cunts like that act like an ignorant moron. fuck her. i want to hit her too simply cos she's too fucking ignorant to realize she perpetuates a stereotype. just cos she's a woman doesn't give her a free pass to be a cretin. just shut the fuck up and tell it to the judge, at least in that situation you will be allowed to have your say.
like i said, woe unto the next dark skinned person who is confronted by that cop. they have that stupid fucking bitch to thank. take your day in court to exercise your right of rebuttal, don't do it on the street cos you will lose, lose, lose and in some instances, as we see here, you get punched in the face.
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It's not a matter of what the suspect prefers. His job is to enforce laws he sees broken, apprehend suspects and testify truthfully about their actions. Assaulting a police is a crime for which the punishment is meted out in court not on a street curb by the cop.:2 cents:
All of that could be true but it is still no excuse for losing his temper and trying to punish her or get back at her (as opposed to subduing her) with a punch. If he did fear being jumped that's all the more reason to take the necessary steps to subdue her and not engage in fighting her because he got pushed.
Listen, I understand his situation. It was a no win...he was having a problem giving tickets to two girls jaywalking. Do you honestly think he wanted to have to call for back up on something like that?? He'd be the butt of jokes and never live that down IMO. The guy was frustrated and pissed but he still had a job to do.
Had he tasered or pepper sprayed her after she did that...this wouldn't be a debate. Some people would have still bitched about it but he would have been completely following procedures. She and her companion assaulted a police officer..end of story.
A cop's role is not standing on the curb exchanging punches with suspects because he/she is mad..thats why they have lethal and non lethal weapons as well as being trained to subdue those who don't want to be subdued.
This was not reasonable force and uncalled for.
Have you ever been tassered or pepper sprayed? Like I said you wish he hit you in the jaw instead.
You can definitely tell who the suburbanites in the thread are.
Well, it's a subjective thing...I've seen men get their jaws wired shut and need to go on soup diets for months from being hit in the jaw. The effects of tasering or pepper spraying, though sever are acute and over in minutes. Even as such, it's irrelevant what she or anyone else prefers at that point. His job is to use reasonable force to gain control of the situation and subdue her. Not try and one up her with a punch for pushing him.
You should leave the speculation about that out of this. Where someone has lived or is living has about as much to do with this as the price of oroblancos in Romania.:2 cents:
Marlo Manson
Hello Sexy girl how your Toes doing?
I am starting to think that maybe the officer didn't exactly wanna use pepper spray, his taser, or his baton considering the combatants were young females, No matter how you look @ this situation, No matter your opinion, somebody would have had a problem with the way he handled / subdued the girls one way or another, if he had slammed one or both of the girls to the ground or against his car, more than likely he gets jumped cuz he is then allot more vulnerable than he is while he's on his feet and able to somewhat watch the crowd while dealing with dumb and dumber.
If he tasered or pepper sprayed them, its excessive force in the eyes, minds and opinions of the surrounding crowd! Bottom line is those girls were unruly, belligerent, resisting, and assaulting an police officer, had the girls remained calm, None of this shit would have happened to begin with!!! They brought it on themselves and for their ignorance one of them got punched in the face, they turned something simple into something violent and out of control, I think there both lucky thats the extent of the injuries suffered and they are both lucky they got off so easy in that confrontation. IMO.
They turned a simple fine from a jaywalking infraction to class D felonies of assault and resisting or interfering with an arrest.You do not get over being pepper sprayed in a matter of minutes, I hate to tell ya. Referring back to my main point though, cops have to worry whether or not in a crowd they are gonna get jumped or not. Would you rather the cop got jumped? Like some guy said before back up doesn't always arrive in a matter of minutes like they show in the movies. What would you then being saying if you saw a video of a cop being stabbed or shot by a teen age girl?
As compared to potentially losing teeth, busted lips, eyes....potential fall and concussion....?? Like I said, it's subjective. As part of some training years ago to resist the effects of pepper spray and other chemicals..I know what if feels like....The shit ain't fun...it's not designed to be. But if you know a cop has it or a taser and you don't want to know what it feels like, don't assault them or resist arrest.:dunno:
How does any of what you say here change the logic of what he did??? All you've done is cited more reasons for him to stick to the tried and trued methods of subduing a suspect.
His first response if not taser or pepper spray ought to have been some submission technique.
As far as everything else you said, yea being a cop is a dangerous job.:dunno: In this situation how does punching suspects make it less dangerous?
Because he was in a potentially dangerous situation, where for all he knew some one could have pulled a knife or gun out on him. Seriously he didn't really hit her hard enough to knock teeth out. Jesus he just gave her a nice jab, not a full swing. Being a trained fighter I know submission holds are not exactly always easy to pull off. Even the most skilled fighters have to set them up and develop a sense of when to grab and when not to grab. You still didn't answer my question though. How would you feel if you saw a video of a cop being stabbed by a teen age girl?
I hope you are in that situation some day just so you know the feeling of the danger of the situation and tell me your gonna act in a calm cool collected manner.
I hope you are in that situation some day just so you know the feeling of the danger of the situation and tell me your gonna act in a calm cool collected manner.
I knew if you kept jabbering long enough your points would start to be at odds with consistency.
So again, how does throwing a punch help him in this situation...worse yet, "a nice jab" as you put it? (Now at this point, I'd get off the train if I were you..but something tells me you won't...:2 cents
First of all, you're a "trained fighter"?? I'll have to take your word for it then but in my 20 plus years of experience in various styles of martial arts (in practice not just katas at some dojo), if you're waiting to set some novice up in a confrontation and don't have techniques or responses ready in anticipation, you don't know what the hell you're doing and have already ceded whatever the tactical advantage of any training You Might benefit from.
..the fuck kind of question is that?? How I feel about some unfortunate bastard getting stabbed in a dangerous job is about as relevant as how I feel about whether tasering or pepper spraying is worse than being punched. But since you're bent on knowing my personal feelings on it, beyond it being an unfortunate event...I'm fairly indifferent about it. About as indifferent as I am about that girl getting punched. My points in this thread about the issue are purely academic. I don't care one way or the other about the story.
I've been trained and have trained in CQB and CQC..
Again, you have NO CLUE who I am nor what my experiences are beyond what I may relate on this message board. But I CAN tell you I've faced circumstances a thousand times more dangerous than 2 jaywalking teenage girls....even if they WERE armed with a knife. Sheesh!!! I've seen men I loved like brothers who were far more skilled than that cop appeared to be die beside me. Again, don't presume to know who you're talking to on an anonymous message board.
I think your full of crap dude. Every guy I train with who I've told about this said the chick deserved it. Any one who has been in a fight knows you can't anticipate what's going to happen or fully control the situation. Somebody usually get's hurt. Any half witt with a brain can google a bit of junk on martial arts and say ooohhh I've got twenty plus years in close quarter combat. If I sound professional they will believe what I say! pfff. Your argument is moot at best.
I'll admit it's clear the cop acted out of frustration, however in giving her a jab to the grill he sent a message he's not to be messed with nor a push over. my argument over and over again has been the cop doesn't have an easy job. Young girl or not he has no idea what she might pull on him. I believe I've mentioned she could have pulled a knife or gun on him in several posts ei. consistency.
I'm done with you now. Go find a mirror and argue with yourself. Internet tough guy.
I'll admit it's clear the cop acted out of frustration, however in giving her a jab to the grill he sent a message he's not to be messed with nor a push over. my argument over and over again has been the cop doesn't have an easy job. Young girl or not he has no idea what she might pull on him. I believe I've mentioned she could have pulled a knife or gun on him in several posts ei. consistency.
I'm done with you now. Go find a mirror and argue with yourself. Internet tough guy.
SpexyAshleigh
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I'm just curious to all those who think she deserved it...
if this were a girl, and she pushed her bf or husband in the same manner during an argument...does she deserve to get decked in the face? Or is it just because this is a cop in question, so his authority allows him the ability to use violence on a woman. I'm just trying to understand how his assault is justified, when all she did was push him.
if this were a girl, and she pushed her bf or husband in the same manner during an argument...does she deserve to get decked in the face? Or is it just because this is a cop in question, so his authority allows him the ability to use violence on a woman. I'm just trying to understand how his assault is justified, when all she did was push him.
Your choice son. You're the one who has no clue. You're just babbling to keep from being quiet at this point.
My argument as never been what she deserved. It's what HE should have and should not have done. I've said earlier in this thread I would have tased the shit out of her. No one is saying she was treated unfairly (at least I'm not) I'm saying his technique and procedures were fucked up. If I was his boss my concern would be he let his temper determine what his response was and not what he is trained to do.
The reason why he has a badge and permission to go around carrying a sidearm (among other things), has the right to detain and arrest people is because he has been trained to deal with shit differently than the average Joe. I don't expect him to respond like the average guy without his training and responsibilities.
Again, you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Beyond the core pumsaes of the discipline, what the fuck do you train for if not attack techniques and counter techniques??? What the fuck is the point of training if you're not prepared to anticipate responses to various attacks?? Get some more experience.:2 cents:
:dunno: Okay.. now that you got that off your chest. It doesn't make it any more relevant to this discussion unless you're talking about yourself.
That's the point. It's not his job to send personal messages in confrontations. His job in this case is to subdue and apprehend suspects, put their names on the blotter so they can face punishment in court for their actions. Cops trying to send messages get themselves and other hurt and killed.:2 cents:
:wave2: "internet tough guy"
Marlo Manson
Hello Sexy girl how your Toes doing?
Normally I agree with what you say, and share many of the same opinions as you, but I think this girl definitely deserved whatever happened to her, in this case a punch to the face. If that were a couple fighting BF/GF or husband & wife, you know the person your dealing with, defending against, depending on the justifiable context of such a situation a man has the right to defend himself against the girl, should he hit her? that's a judgement call, more often then not, I'd say NO you don't hit the girl, you subdue her by grabbing her or pushing her away. if any force was used against a girl, between couples, I'd say a firm slap would be sufficient if holding or pushing away isn't an option or is not achievable.
In regards to this incident the thread covers, I don't care how the cop subdued her, Both girls were OUT OF CONTROL, BELIGIGERENT, RESISTING, & ASSAULTING A POLICE OFFICER. You DON'T touch a police officer, YOU don't RESIST a police officer, YOU follow a POLICE OFFICER'S commands NO MATTER WHAT!!! her pushing him, touching him, IS assaulting a POLICE OFFICER.
While all this escalating nonsense is for no good reason other than a couple of ignoranant non-compliant subjects (Considering the crowd around the incident from possibly rushing, jumping, attacking the officer) & having too deal with 2 out of control subjects, the officer has the right too defend himself, and retain control of the scene without abusive force, was it the right thing too do? prolly not, I think proper procedure in an incident like this allows the officer to slam the girl(s) to the ground or against his car, and handcuff them, but he couldn't do that with the way the girls were acting, and the surrounding people not being restrained from POSSIBLY interferring, so should he have tasered her / them? should he have pepper sprayed the girl he hit or both of them?
Trust me In court, the judge is going to side with the OFFICER 100% of the time, when the judge See's the visual evidence of the incident, THOSE GIRLS ARE IN ALLOT MORE TROUBLE NOW, Then before the officer was just gonna issue a verbal or written warning or possibly a cheap ticket @ worst, but now they are more than likely gonna be charged with FELONIES!! and worst case scenario for the officer? he may get reprimanded or sent away for more training, but given the situation, he did what he had too do. sorry if you don't agree, but under NO circumstance's do you touch a police officer!! (unless your shaking hands).
i'm still with my initial statement: isn't this what pepper spray and joint locks are for? also i understand that you don't always know exactly how you will react to a situation and i'm not accusing the cop of not being human but rather that he didn't act in the best way to control the situation he found himself in which is what he needs to do as a cop
Lust
Lost at Birth
you're just going to have to trust me on this but if you go up and push a cop in an aggressive manner things will NEVER turn out good for you. never in the history of police enforcement has attacking an officer at the time of the incident, be it a push or all out assault, resulted in the officer realizing his error and letting the perp go.
i honestly believe that had she just taken the citation and moved on then none of this would have happened. but instead, the next time that cop comes across a mouthy touchy feely perp, he's going to be more aggressive and physical. its a no win situation for everyone all the way around and later on down the road others will still be paying for her actions. as far as the cop, jaywalking is a bullshit quota fulfiller for tickets and i wouldnt be surprised if he was being a dick about it, but thats what courts are for. was he justified? some say yes some say no, but was she stupid for pushing him? yes, without a doubt. what started as a jaywalking citation is probably now an assault on an officer and obstruction of justice offense. that's absolutely nothing you want on your resume. yes assault. anytime you physically touch an officer during a confrontation it is assault. the fact that you agree or disagree with that is a moot point. the courts agree with it and thats how they will rule every time.
the example of a bf versus a gf has no merit in this matter. when it comes to crimes being committed, sex, race, religion, creed or any other differentiator is non-applicable. x or y chromosomes are not a factor. it is simply "public servant of the law" vs "alleged perpetrator". to claim that females should be treated differently when it comes to law enforcement is to not only embrace inequality but proactively pursue it and sorry, i've already seen an epic battle against inequality towards my heritage to sign up for a new one.
but to answer your question, did he over react? yeah i think so, but it matters not cos there are plenty of people who would back the officer in court and the escalated situation will have harsher ramifications for her than him. had she cooperated and he still attacked her, then yeah i'd be up in arms for the unprovoked attack and so would many many more but it didnt happen that way did it? legally she's fucked. politically, she's still going to have the usual suspects be against her and for her so nothing has gained but an injured jaw. whats lost is still tallying, cos she'll probably sue and tie up an already over-crowded court system putting the financial burden on the tax payers only to lose her case in the end and officers will be just a bit more aggressive when dealing with alleged perps in the future. we all lose simply cos she didn't stfu.
you've now had two people who've had run ins with the police basically for having dark skin and both of us have more motivation than most other posters on this thread to automatically point a finger at the cop. instead we both have said the same thing, she should have just cooperated and moved on. any lawyer in the USA will say the exact same thing, if they don't they should be disbarred.
cooperating when confronted by an officer of the law is not a new concept. it was best demonstrated by MLK and the freedom riders in a terrific display garnering sympathy from the people as they saw unprovoked police aggression. its sad this young woman didn't pay attention in history class cos it ain't rocket science. fight the fucker in court, not at the scene.
