Here Chef, rank your top 5 --- http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=1&listId=440
Then see who the fans voted for.
Then see who the fans voted for.
College Football v NFL.
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ChefChiTown
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And college kids don't do that? Please. College quarterbacks get the same unfair treatment. Referees call their game in order to favor certain players, quarterbacks especially. Tim Tebow; enough said.
The game is set up for television, not competition.
What? What games are you watching? Pass interference is a joke in college because they hardly ever call it. And, when they do call it, it's usually unwarranted. Once again, the game is set up for television ratings, not competition.
If you're going to play that game, then let's not ignore the fact that it was the NFL that started the passing game. Without the NFL and it's contribution to the sport, college football wouldn't have a passing game. Without a passing game, you can't have a spread option, wide receiver screens, bunch formations or a pistol offense. You also can't have a wildcat. So, if you're going to give credit to whoever did it first, then the NFL wins.
I hate the BCS. It's ridiculous and everybody knows it, yet, nobody changes it. The only reason that college football hasn't implemented a playoff system is because they (the schools, the NCAA, TV stations) would lose sooooo much money. It's just another example of how the game is set up for television ratings, not competition.
Really? So, nobody remembers when the New York Giants upset the undefeated Patriots in the Super Bowl? Nobody remembers when Joe Namath guaranteed victory over the Colts in Super Bowl III? Nobody remembers when Tom Brady, an unknown back-up at the time, led the Patriots to victory against the heavily favored Rams in Super Bowl XXXVI?
Other than Appalachian State beating Michigan, I couldn't name one college upset at all. But yeah...EVERYONE remembers when a college power gets upset.
FYI - Michigan is no longer a college power, so does that example even count? :dunno:
What? NO IT DOESN'T. LSU lost 3 games a few years ago and they were still put into the National Championship game. None of the college games mean a thing. Teams are invited to bowl games; they don't earn it.
ChefChiTown
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Not here in Ohio they don't. I don't know what high schools do that, but I've never seen them.
What is that supposed to prove?
Where's the parity in college football? Good teams play shitty teams all year long. Wow, now that's exciting. I can't wait until next year when Ohio State plays Eastern Michigan, Marshall and Ohio U.
Why is that bullshit? Oh wait, I know why...because it wouldn't make the precious fans happy and TV ratings might go down. Boo hoo. They can rest their starters because they've earned that luxury. They have to win multiple games after the regular season is over if they want to be considered champions, unlike college football teams who only have to win ONE game in order to be crowned a champion. Now that's bullshit.
Far be it for me to defend Superman, but you obviously haven't bothered to watch many Gator games...
College DBs get to push and shove college WRs until the ball is in the air. Unlike the NFL which, what 5 yrds? Are you fucking kidding me? And how fair/brutal is the assessed penalty? 15yrds in college (fair) vs spot of the foul (brutal penalty against the defense) The NFL is a less physical league in this instance:dunno: And less skill too since there really isn't a reason for a pro WR to ever drop a pass...
If you're going to play that game than College wins by virtue of it being 50 years older, therefore, it invented more. The Dolphins introduction of the Wildcat is the only real innovation in pro football since...I really can't recall anything like that. I think Steve Spurrier tried to do some sort of Fun-n-Gun when he coached the 'Skins at one point. Or maybe it was June Jones when he was at Atlanta (?)...
You actually have it completely backward. THere would be more ratings, more payouts to playoff teams and more overall money. Nobody knows how to organize a college playoff because asking college students to shell out money to travel to 2 or 3 playoff games, on top of home games, on top of road games...that's a lot of money required to be shelled out by the main constituent of college athletics---college students and faculty. College alumni are second, college fans are third in the 'order.'
Wait a minute, they weren't shit at the time of that upset. Considering the Giants are shit now, by your thinking, does that upset even matter anymore? Or is it anymore significant than the Patriots victory over the Rams? For all the money that *flows* through each NFL team, it's amazing that teams stay shitty for years. There's always next year for the Browns, the Rams, the Bills, the Texans, the Raiders, the Bucs, the Jags, etc. I guess.. You've got to go WAY BACK to still live off the glory of Joe Namath:rofl: Okay, you're right about that one. It must've been the greatest moment ever for some...too bad it happened like 40 years ago
If you give me 40 years, shit, where do I begin? Vince Young taking down my Trojans, Vince Young taking down Michigan, Boise State vs Oklahoma, Ohio State v Miami, Floutie vs The U, Utah v Bama...bah, my brain hurts..What year was that? 3 losses in the national championship game? Chef, go educate yourself about the bowl process. Do you know that conferences have "arrangements" aka BOWL TIE-INS? It's not like my Trojans just decided what the hell, let's go play BC in the Emerald Bowl...
California, you see a lot of pro style offense. Texas, mainly spread offenses, pistol, or pro style as well. Florida, a lot of spread, option, spread option, wildcat, pro, etc....
Usually the best games come from college football.
Where's the parity in college football? Good teams play shitty teams all year long. Wow, now that's exciting. I can't wait until next year when Ohio State plays Eastern Michigan, Marshall and Ohio U.
Try asking Oklahoma, USC, Alabama, or just about every top program, and they'll tell you a little something about upsets. It happens all the time, just about every week.
In the NFL the same teams are getting killed year after year too. You are from Ohio, you might know a little something about that.
Jacksonville is in playoff hunt and can't even sell out their own games. Meanwhile, UF, just a few miles away are selling out theirs. Jacksonville is even considering drafting Tim Tebow just to get a little pub. Now, that's pathetic!
The game is for the fans!!!! Why would I want to watch a watered down NFL game?
You don't see the big picture, Chef. A College team loses 4 games--they're in the Peach Bowl. NFL team loses 7 games, they get into the playoffs and have a chance to make a run to the Super Bowl...Now THAT'S bullshit.
If you don't get that every week matters in college football, and every week doesn't matter in the NFL, than the discussion has probably run it's course...
PlasmaTwa2
The Second-Hottest Man in my Mother's Basement
I was going to say I like pro football more, but I'm too scared.
ChefChiTown
The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
Considering they're one of the 5 teams that they put on TV here, I've seen a lot of Gator games. And, Tebow gets treated like Michael Jordan did in the NBA; he gets treated like a princess.
How is it fair for a defender to blatantly interfer with a 75 yard pass (for example), that would ultimately lead to a touchdown, but only get penalized a mere 15 yards? Technically, you can literally steal 6 points away from the offense and only get penalized 15 yards for it. Wow, that sounds really fair.
The reason that the NFL has a "spot of the foul" ruling with pass interference is because the defender has a distinct advantage over the wide receiver. All the defender has to do is swat the ball away, while the wide receiver has to catch it, get 2 feet in bounds and make a football move in order for it to be considered a catch. So, the ruling of using the spot of the foul as the amount of penalty yards for pass interference calls is more than justified and, in my opinion, plenty fair.
No, college football and the NFL have the same exact roots. The NFL didn't become the NFL until 1922, but it began back in the 1860's, just like college football. And, if we're going to continue to play this game (which is a terribly boring game by the way), then soccer should get credit for everything that has happened in American football's history.
There would be less ratings because there would be way too many games to put on TV. Just think of March Madness with NCAA basketball; sooooo many games to watch, but the ratings don't get really high until the tournament gets cut down to 8 teams (maybe 16 teams).
Wait a minute, they weren't shit at the time of that upset. Considering the Giants are shit now, by your thinking, does that upset even matter anymore? Or is it anymore significant than the Patriots victory over the Rams? For all the money that *flows* through each NFL team, it's amazing that teams stay shitty for years. There's always next year for the Browns, the Rams, the Bills, the Texans, the Raiders, the Bucs, the Jags, etc. I guess.. You've got to go WAY BACK to still live off the glory of Joe Namath:rofl: Okay, you're right about that one. It must've been the greatest moment ever for some...too bad it happened like 40 years ago
Michigan wasn't shit at that time? They were 9-4 that year. That's not even close to being a college power.
And, how is Vince Young and the #2 Longhorns beating the #1 Trojans an upset? Explain that to me. Also, explain to me how an undefeated Boise State team beating a 10-2 Oklahoma team is an upset. Or, how a 13-0 Ohio State team beating a 12-0 Miami team is an upset. Or, how a 12-0 Utah team beating a 12-1 Alabama team is an upset.
What year was that? 3 losses in the national championship game? Chef, go educate yourself about the bowl process. Do you know that conferences have "arrangements" aka BOWL TIE-INS? It's not like my Trojans just decided what the hell, let's go play BC in the Emerald Bowl...
Sorry, it was 2 losses. I was mistaken. But please explain to me how a team with 2 loses can be considered National Champions, especially when there are plenty of teams with better records.
And, I know how the process works. Teams have to maintain a mediocre record of at 6-6 in order to qualify for a bowl game. Yet, you want to complain about a 7 loss team in the NFL making the playoffs? Shit, at least a team in the NFL with 7 loses has a better winning % than 50%. Then, after you qualify, you get invited to a bowl game. Yes, there are certain bowl games (Rose Bowl) that have predetermined slots for winners of a certain division, but you get invited to bowl games. You don't earn your spot in them; you get invited to them.
You can say that about every single sport, in every single year.
And the same teams aren't getting killed year after year in college football? Your arguments are hilarious, because everything you are saying that happens in the NFL (the things that you don't like) also happen in college football too.
What does that have to do with parity?
You don't see the big picture, Chef. A College team loses 4 games--they're in the Peach Bowl. NFL team loses 7 games, they get into the playoffs and have a chance to make a run to the Super Bowl...Now THAT'S bullshit.
I already addressed that.
If a 6-6 team can make a bowl game, then not every game matters. If your future of playing in a bowl game is ultimately decided by an invite (for the most part), then not every game matters. If only 2 teams ultimately get a chance to be crowned as champions, while teams with better records can be left in the dust, then not every game matters.
But, you're right...this conversion has run it's course. You prefer college football, while I think it's crap. I prefer NFL football, while you think it's crap. End of story?
My dad only watched NFL (I don't know why) so I grew up watching NFL. My buddy on the other hand freakin' loves college football so much it's crazy. That said he also likes NFL football.
Chef you continue to add meat to your bones, but you're right, enough is enough. However, where and when was the first NFL game played, back around the 1860s? I've always assumed the first organized game of what we call american football was played between 2 college teams, not 2 pro teams. You can't attach the formation of the NFL to the formation of american football. Wouldn't that be like saying the automobile was invented when Org the Caveman invented the wheel?
You said you couldn't name upsets in the college football. I was just giving you examples.
You say in college football, big teams beat up on little teams, but that also happens in the NFL. Of course the argument is going to sound the same because the NFL and college football are not really that different. There's 119 team in Div-1 football and 32 in the NFL, but the difference between the Saints and the Rams is just mind-boggling.
The NFL and college football both have their problems, but you act like it only happens in college football. Again, I was just giving an example on how the NFL has it's fucked up problems as well.
I said earlier on this thread that I was enjoying the NFL more than college football this year. But, your comments on college football just totally blew my mind.
College football and the NFL may have some different rules, but both have their problems and often the same problems. That was basically the point I was trying to make.
ChefChiTown
The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
History of the NFL
There's a shit load more of information on the NFL's website, but that is just the very beginning of the NFL and where it's roots were planted.
And, the reason I was using attaching the NFL to the formation of American football is because we were playing the game of "who did it first". The NFL is just one of many professional football organizations that have been founded throughout the years. Just as the NCAA hasn't always been in existence since the inception of American football, neither has the NFL. It's unfair to be so specific and compare the NFL (one, individual entity of professional football) to "college football"; not the NCAA, but college football in general.
That's why I mentioned that the NFL had it's roots planted back in the 1860's, because it's true. The NFL (as we know it) wasn't formed until years and years later, so it doesn't have the history that "college football" has. Not because professional football didn't exist, but because the NFL, the National Football League, didn't exist until relatively recently. So, I connected it with professional football (in general), because the comparison to college football (in general) wasn't a fair comparison to be making, especially while we were playing the "who did it first" game.
So, the first games were played by colleges and the rules were written by a college coach and the first professional player was "paid" in 1892. Hmm. It sounds like we actually do need the firm dates of 1922 and whichever date we want to assign to the NCAA. But, of course, the NFL was a pimple on the butt of college football before the merger in terms of popularity and attendance.
PlasmaTwa2
The Second-Hottest Man in my Mother's Basement
^ Won't someone please think of the children?!
All good points and I agree, college is the far superior overall experience.
The pro game is mostly about money. The college game is mostly about love.
I used to adore the NFL - but that was a long long time ago. Saturdays I'm glued to the TV. Sundays I generally find better things to do than watch the traveling mercenaries at play.
I have part of a local radio show once a week. We had this discussion last week. Many callers brought up great points on both like many of you have on here. I just love football and love both the NFL and NCAA. However I had the last ten minutes of the show to state my opinion I said something along these lines.
I am 33 years old. I have followed the game of football in both leagues real close since about 1982 when I was like 6 years old. The Indy Colts used to be the Baltimore Colts, The Tennessee Titans used to be the Houston Oilers, The Houston Texans came from nowhere, The Cleveland Browns are now the Baltimore Ravens....and now there are the Cleveland Browns again but the Ravens are still the old Browns....and then there is Oakland Raiders who were the LA Raiders which came from Oakland...it's too confusing....oh yeah let's not forget about the Arizona Cardinals who were the Pheonix Cardinals, who were the St. Louis Cardinals(not to be confused with the baseball team) which were at one time was the Chicago Cardinals. Emmitt Smith finished his career as a Cardinal, Joe Montana finished as a Cheif, and Brett Favre still wins at Lambeau....as a Viking. You can also have a Super Bowl champion with 7 regular season losses.
Notre Dame Fighting Irish will always be in South Bend,Ind. Miami Hurricanes will never be the New Orleans Hurricanes. Florida Gators will not move to Maryland because the school president, mayor of Gainesville, or athletic director wouldn't build a new stadium. Ohio State will never decide to move down south to the warm weather of Mississippi. You will never see the Rice Owls become the Oklahoma City Rattlers. Yes Arkansas Razorbacks play a home game or two in Little Rock instead of Fayetteville. Florida/Georgia play a game against each other yearly in Jacksonville instead of Athens of Gainesville. Florida might even play a game in Tampa and Georgia in Atlanta for the fans of that area. Yes Brock Berlin went from the orange and blue of the Gators to the green and orange of Hurricanes. Yes Troy Aikman went from being an Oklahoma Sooner to a UCLA Bruin. Yes some of these top notch recruits who committed to Michigan play for Hofstra because they had to compete for playing time but Archie Griffin is pure Buckeye. Reggie Bush is always an USC icon. They don't leave because professors didn't show them enough love. Tim Tebow will forever be a Gator and wore the UF cloths his whole college career. He didn't pull a Montana and finish off his career in a different shade of red. Yes teams like USF Bulls and MTSU Raiders haven't been part of the NCAA D1 for years but they have always been schools. They didn't just appear as did the Carolina Panthers. Right now the Florida Gators can beat an undefeated Cincinnati team in the Sugar Bowl but their National Title hopes are over because EVERY game in college football game is important. Right now the Tennessee Titans have a chance to make the playoffs if things fall into place. Who is to say they can't make a run to the Super Bowl. That would be equivelent to Auburn Tigers getting a wild card spot and making a run to the National Title game.
I would like to see some things change in college ball but not too many. Maybe a four team playoff. However I love 90% of it. If Eric Berry decides he wants to see what he can do for the Washington Huskies he would have to wait a year. A couple weeks back Braylon Edwards went from the Browns to another team...in one week. Colt McCoy didn't hold out of two a days because he didn't like the deals with his meal ticket or his dorm room....Micheal Crabtree joined the 49ers in like week 7 because of clauses with his contract.
The pros out weight the cons of college football. NFL is great but the mighty $$$ talk$ way too loud. A kid may choose Stanford over Syracuse because they have his major, Eli Manning and the San Deigo Charger deal kinda ruined it for me....but then again a kid can pick his college. Mark Ingraham chose to play for Alabama. Jerry Jones chose to have Felix Jones to play for the Cowboys.
I am 33 years old. I have followed the game of football in both leagues real close since about 1982 when I was like 6 years old. The Indy Colts used to be the Baltimore Colts, The Tennessee Titans used to be the Houston Oilers, The Houston Texans came from nowhere, The Cleveland Browns are now the Baltimore Ravens....and now there are the Cleveland Browns again but the Ravens are still the old Browns....and then there is Oakland Raiders who were the LA Raiders which came from Oakland...it's too confusing....oh yeah let's not forget about the Arizona Cardinals who were the Pheonix Cardinals, who were the St. Louis Cardinals(not to be confused with the baseball team) which were at one time was the Chicago Cardinals. Emmitt Smith finished his career as a Cardinal, Joe Montana finished as a Cheif, and Brett Favre still wins at Lambeau....as a Viking. You can also have a Super Bowl champion with 7 regular season losses.
Notre Dame Fighting Irish will always be in South Bend,Ind. Miami Hurricanes will never be the New Orleans Hurricanes. Florida Gators will not move to Maryland because the school president, mayor of Gainesville, or athletic director wouldn't build a new stadium. Ohio State will never decide to move down south to the warm weather of Mississippi. You will never see the Rice Owls become the Oklahoma City Rattlers. Yes Arkansas Razorbacks play a home game or two in Little Rock instead of Fayetteville. Florida/Georgia play a game against each other yearly in Jacksonville instead of Athens of Gainesville. Florida might even play a game in Tampa and Georgia in Atlanta for the fans of that area. Yes Brock Berlin went from the orange and blue of the Gators to the green and orange of Hurricanes. Yes Troy Aikman went from being an Oklahoma Sooner to a UCLA Bruin. Yes some of these top notch recruits who committed to Michigan play for Hofstra because they had to compete for playing time but Archie Griffin is pure Buckeye. Reggie Bush is always an USC icon. They don't leave because professors didn't show them enough love. Tim Tebow will forever be a Gator and wore the UF cloths his whole college career. He didn't pull a Montana and finish off his career in a different shade of red. Yes teams like USF Bulls and MTSU Raiders haven't been part of the NCAA D1 for years but they have always been schools. They didn't just appear as did the Carolina Panthers. Right now the Florida Gators can beat an undefeated Cincinnati team in the Sugar Bowl but their National Title hopes are over because EVERY game in college football game is important. Right now the Tennessee Titans have a chance to make the playoffs if things fall into place. Who is to say they can't make a run to the Super Bowl. That would be equivelent to Auburn Tigers getting a wild card spot and making a run to the National Title game.
I would like to see some things change in college ball but not too many. Maybe a four team playoff. However I love 90% of it. If Eric Berry decides he wants to see what he can do for the Washington Huskies he would have to wait a year. A couple weeks back Braylon Edwards went from the Browns to another team...in one week. Colt McCoy didn't hold out of two a days because he didn't like the deals with his meal ticket or his dorm room....Micheal Crabtree joined the 49ers in like week 7 because of clauses with his contract.
The pros out weight the cons of college football. NFL is great but the mighty $$$ talk$ way too loud. A kid may choose Stanford over Syracuse because they have his major, Eli Manning and the San Deigo Charger deal kinda ruined it for me....but then again a kid can pick his college. Mark Ingraham chose to play for Alabama. Jerry Jones chose to have Felix Jones to play for the Cowboys.
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