China as the next superpower

[JohnnyThompson]

I hope there is one. I hope I fight in it and die in it. And I hope it's the last war ever and teaches the survivors what honor and life are really all about.

I have head that too, but it really does not make sense because in order for their to be a world war 4, technologically advanced weapons need to be used (such as battle ships, air craft carriers, tanks, bombers, fighters). Guns are the least technologically advanced of those weapons.

So...although I understand what the quote is trying to say, it really doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

[maildude]

I predict that there will come a time when the Malthusian theory will be applied. I more than most people see a war as being imminent. China and Russia vs. the West.

If history has taught us anything is that there can never be peace. We are more than 60 years removed from World War II. I predict there to be another war in our lifetime or in our children's lifetime (if we are 20-30 years old give or take).

You don't need stats, figures, or any other data to make this assumption. It is practically a fact of life, that wars happen.

China and Russia are hardly friends. The only time they agree is when the US pisses them off. But that's not going to be enough. China still has thousands of troops amassed at the Sinkiang region. There are resource, shipping and energy issues that keep them apart. At the start of the "Great Push Forward" Mao as much as told Russia to kiss his ass. Little has changed. And Russia has a long history of fearing its neighbors when they grow in power.

 

[JohnnyThompson]

China and Russia are hardly friends. The only time they agree is when the US pisses them off. But that's not going to be enough. China still has thousands of troops amassed at the Sinkiang region. There are resource, shipping and energy issues that keep them apart. At the start of the "Great Push Forward" Mao as much as told Russia to kiss his ass. Little has changed. And Russia has a long history of fearing its neighbors when they grow in power.

Good points. But I think that Russia is on its way back towards communism and will try to apply the Chinese free market method on its economy. So that would make them closer than they are with the U.S. or the rest of Europe or even closer than they had been with China at any time during the Cold War.

In fact, Mao and Stalin were quite close and it was only until Krushchev denounced Stalin that Mao began to look at the Soviet Union in a much different light.

 

[lovejoy]

1. The rise of China back in 1978 when China first opened the special economic zones to attract foreign investment and led to wholesales "THE WORLD FACTORY" was under-estimated by the West.

2. It is America self-destruction instead of China's rise led to the current geopolitical situation. I was paying $4.59 a gallon of gas in Chicago last week (not 4 bucks)

3. If Wal-mart, H-P, Dell, IBM, and GM, Ford and all other multi-national companies along with the US Government the big unions agree concession and pay cut, curb inflation, then there will still be an "America".

4. I know a lot of us refuse to accept or admit the empire of America is gone for ever.
GM cut the workforce to 72,000. Delta and Northwest merged. The first thing to hit hard of rise in oil price is transportation industry and auto industry. GM slashed 4 major truck plants in N. America including 2 in US, 1 in Oshawa, Ontario, Canada and 1 in Mexico.

5. US Treasury sold off another 75 billion dollars of Treasury bills last week. How long can we sustain this sell-off. This is the 4th major sell-off of US Treasury Bills which amounts to 300-400 billions dollars in just a few months.

6. It is not China or Russia is rising but Japan is muscle-out America in automobiles with massive production of hydrid cars rolling out assembly lines by Honda NOW at a cut-rate cost. The Honda Hydrogen fuel cell cars are just a show-case.

7. China and US are interdependent on economic ties just like China and Russia are interdependent on energy sources.

8. The minority in China is a non-issue here. Unlike the black and Hispanics in America, China just KILL them off in Tibet, locked every monks and nuns and put the radicals out for life. The completion of railways to Tibet, the roof of the world brings another tens of millions of Hans to Tibets. As you witness China trains 100,000 Special Forces for the Olympics to deal with terrorists. It is not possible to operate terrorism in China because the major cities are 99-100% Hans Chinese. And they get eyes and ears and brutal forces to cut you down before you can hijack a plane.

9. The very complicated relationship between Russia and China is actually very simple. As someone pointed out, the common enemies of Russia and China is United States. So once America becomes weak, China through its proxy North Korea supplies arms and nuclear technology to Iran. Russia only provides the infra-structure to Iran but arms to Syria.

10. IF YOU DON'T THINK CHINA IS A SUPER-POWER, THEN GO TO AFRICA. CHINA ALREADY CONTROL ECONOMICALLY MANY AFRICAN NATIONS, JUST LIKE FRANCE, U.K. IN 1800'S. US has failed Africa and allows China to dominate in African politics and provide economic. military aids in exchange for oil. It was too late for George Bush recent trip to Africa. Somali thugs can attack the Japanese tankers and cut off Japan's oil supplies.

I draw a close and state there is no shortage of oil supplies. Canada and Mexico and domestic oil production can supply more than 60% of oil to US domestic use. It is the failure of US policy in the past 40 years in self-destruction that led "me to pay $4.50 gallon" of gas. When I was a kid in Vincennes, Indiana, I paid less than 45 cents gas my first car after the oil embargo. I gave up !

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[lovejoy]

1. The China's Olympics Special Forces is the Germany SS.

2. The Olympics will create an aura of super-hype of the country despite recent set-back in earthquake. It is the Hilter's game and Hu is Hilter. As most Chinese in the earthquake regions pointed out, they prefered the Premier than President Hu who masterminded the millions of death in Tibet.

3. The Olympics will bring the world to witness first-class action of China but actually it is just a show-case in a very limited area.

4. But Olympics is a turning point to boost China to a world class status !

 

[angelfire1972]

future is at turn of the corner

 

[ballzano]

in so far as the state's ability to develop and purchase weapons, yes it does. Especially in a one party state.

this is why china imports technology (russian) or steals it

 

[Johan]

Next super power? I thought they already were one.

So do I...

 

[r_s90]

Seeing as China is buying American debt in the form of government bonds and that China is still experiencing a decent level of GDP growth per annum, it does suggest that China is rapidly becoming a big player in the international markets, and by owning american debt, they are taking a potential stranglehold on the american economy, with the power to send it to it's knees. However - china are still very dependent on the american economy, they need them for trade. China will not become a superpower on the scale that america or the european union are.

 

[saschaxx]

Seeing as China is buying American debt in the form of government bonds and that China is still experiencing a decent level of GDP growth per annum, it does suggest that China is rapidly becoming a big player in the international markets, and by owning american debt, they are taking a potential stranglehold on the american economy, with the power to send it to it's knees. However - china are still very dependent on the american economy, they need them for trade. China will not become a superpower on the scale that america or the european union are.

U´re nothing but RIGHT man ! BUT :
In my eyes they´re a superpower already, because : Who was 2 years ago the biggest export-nation worldwide ? Yup, the Germans were, now the Chineses are . They will become more + more independent cause they produce more + more their own stuff. So it´s not neccessary for em to trade with Europe + the US no more. Means : they dont buy a Chevy or Audi no more, they can buy their own cars.
And they could be *told* by their politicians to buy Chinese products .. they still got, ( in some way ) the * Communism * ... Just remember : About every 1000th. Chinese citizen owns a car ...but almost everyone want´s one. And this will happen to ALL products, not to cars only, they stand for being example.
And : They copy + steal almost everything : Cars, meissener porcellaine, swiss watches, jeans , i-pod, you name it , they copy it.
Go to the IAA Frankfurt / biggest European car-show, besides + into every new car you´ll find a lil yellow Chinese azz. And in front of the head that belongs to that azz u find an EXCELLENT digi-cam.

And the nextone behind the corner will be INDIA !

 

[rock hard]

I misread this thread title...thought this was the "Chica as the next superpower" thread :bowdown:

:wonders off into the sunset:





We now return you to your regular programming...already in progress

 

[r_s90]

saschaxx, although they will continue to produce more and more of their own goods, they still need to trade on the international markets. It is impossible for them to get by without trade, and they would not be a 'superpower' without trade. Without foreign expertise on areas where they can only "copy" us, they will quickly diminish in terms of GDP. China can try and have a closed economy, but at the end of the day, to grow they need trade, and it is evident that is what they are trying to force by fixing their exchange rate, to make their exports a lot more competitive.

as for india - they are sending over migrant workers, taking over that way. not focusing on trade

 

[Gordar]

World's decreasing resources won't allow China to be #1. Currently, there are 510 motorised vehicles (cars, trucks, motocycles,..etc) on earth. If China reaches Europe's living standards (every 2 people have a car), they will demand 650 million motorised vehicles and they tend to consume freaking a lot. Imagine every kind of pollution and the lack of raw materials which can stop the global industry, .
Today, most consumption are made by US and EU. The US has a population of 320 million and Europe (more likely EU) has 400 million so both make 720 million (quite more than half of the Chinese population). If you add Japan to US and EU, it makes 850 million. When China joins superpowers, consumption power will become 2.15 billion. Rest of the world will have to provide raw materials, food,..etc. to those 2.15 billion people. If we had another planet to provide anything from, China as a superpower is ok. But we only have earth and its resources are getting dramatically low.

Even though this thread is 2 years old & even though I don't know if Funkwerkz is still around (I could check...), I'll reply anyway.

If the EU & the US would stay superpowers themselves, yes, there wouldn't be enough resources, but our current resources are slowly but surely dwindling, while China has no problems making deals with countries like Sudan, Somalia, etc., just to get new resources.

In the end, it'll be China who has all the resources & we'll be left without them (simply because we've spent ours) & thus end our superpower status.

(unless we find new resources of course...)

 

[~~whimsy~~]

Russia would stomp China out.

 

[lurkingdirk]

Who here thinks China would lose to anyone in a land war? The American armed forces currently list the Total Active personnel at 1,445,000. The Chinese have compulsory military service (as do many countries in Europe and all over the world), and they list 472,294,719 males, age 16–49. Those aren't ALL the males in the country in that age category. Those are the men who have been examined and are registered as "Fit for Duty."

So, to summarize, America currently has 0.3% of the available personnel. Pretty good odds for China, I'd say.

And the term "superpower" is so 20th century. There are a lot of newer, better ways to measure the global influence of any given nation.

But now I ramble, and pretty soon someone will show up to punch me in the mouth.

Just my $0.02 in an old thread that got bumped by a n00b.

 

[saschaxx]

Russia would stomp China out.

With WHAT ? ...with all the rusty junk they got + the sooo well paid and motivated military ?

 

[saschaxx]

saschaxx, although they will continue to produce more and more of their own goods, they still need to trade on the international markets. It is impossible for them to get by without trade, and they would not be a 'superpower' without trade. Without foreign expertise on areas where they can only "copy" us, they will quickly diminish in terms of GDP. China can try and have a closed economy, but at the end of the day, to grow they need trade, and it is evident that is what they are trying to force by fixing their exchange rate, to make their exports a lot more competitive.

as for india - they are sending over migrant workers, taking over that way. not focusing on trade

Not too wrong thoughts man, but I think they will produce more + more for their own markets . Sure they still need trading, but not as much as 10 years ago, ( when they still needed almost * everything * )
And remember : We ( Germany ) were * Export - World - Champions * for more but 20 years, now China is .
And I´m not sooo sure with India neither ....

WHAT would happen, if China would get together with India ....oooooopppsssss ...??!!

What we need in my eyes is a much more closer relation with the USA , Europe AND Russia !

 

[saschaxx]

And not to forget : Japan !

 

[CurtJa]

China takes very good care of its own economic interests, so I think a 20ish year takeover is only slightly exaggerated.

 

[BBGRob]

I think the days of the "superpower" are over. It's obvious no one country has enough power or authority to push people around anymore. The China/USA relationship is a perfect example. We have all the weapons, but they have all our debt and factories so neither country wants to whack the other.

In this global environment no matter what the neo-cons think there will need to be more understanding and give and take between countries.

We are essentially operating in one world global economy and all our monies is tied together. And we all know Economics trump everything else.