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You didn't contest anything in the article, you merely dismissed it out of hand because of the source. CSI is a legitimate source, there's nothing tabloid about them, again, your ignorance is showing.
Chemtrails : Aluminum & Other Poisons Falling From The Sky
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You didn't contest anything in the article, you merely dismissed it out of hand because of the source. CSI is a legitimate source, there's nothing tabloid about them, again, your ignorance is showing.
The whole article is pathetically ridiculous assertion that the phenomenon of chemtrails don't even exist when chemtrails is recognized as an exotic weapon in official congressional documents. as well as by the scientific community worldwide. Chemtrails manuals from the defense department for training Air-force pilots is available on-line you fucking idiot.
Further, the 6.8 rather than the 68.8 discrepancy is not even a drop of the bucket compared to the universe of knowledge showing the levels of Barium, Aluminum and other toxins, in ground water, snow and soil, that have been measured at 100 to 1000 times the normal healthy levels in places where the spraying is been done. Something you would know if you actually did any credible research of your own, rather than depending on sellout hacks to spoon feed you ignorant lies and half truths…all of this which I initially said in my first response to the credibility of your "source."
I'm not quite sure how this would help the situation. There is more than enough evidence from groundwater, soil samples, etc. to substantiate the extremely heightened presence of the exact chemicals which they are accused of spraying at locations where the spraying is being done.
The real question is how to get them to stop, and how to fight the short term and long terms effects of the build-up of these toxins in your body and in the environment.
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The claim is that you can see clouds with chemicals in them. Go up there and get them. That shouldn't be such a difficult task. You can now measure the levels from the sources. Time and date stamp when they are being sprayed. Why isn't this being done?
I really don't think that it is necessary, at this point, given the information out in the public domain that is already accessible regarding the subject matter. However, for even more additional proof, I personally wouldn't be against the notion of testing suspect clouds for their chemical content …if that is indeed what you are suggesting,
The question would then become who would do such testing, and using what technology. Perhaps not the most difficult task, however, for independent pilots and/or scientists, being involved to that extent in exposing covert, potentially illegal, operations by the military, and/or department of defense, could be a dangerous endevor.
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People that are already involved in the investigations can do this. A pool of scientists, pilots, and meteorologists have already put their names out there. Add to that all of these whistle blower organizations that continue to research and release results. Fear of government repercussions hasn't stopped them this far. Air quality and pollution testing is done all of the time so technology isn't standing in the way either.
I think possibly that the reason there hasn't been that type of study done yet, to my knowledge, is because with the wealth of knowledge already available, no reasonable person would still need any convincing.
I think it would be a good idea for die hard skeptics, maybe such as yourself, if you cared enough, to get together and commission that type of project. And if your findings differ significantly from the generally accepted reality of the situation. Then I'm sure the established scientific community would commission a study of their own, in which case the discourse regarding this issue could proceed at an even higher level.
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I am not the one making the claims that chemtrails are different from contrails and can tell the difference. Its a part of the scientific community making these claims. Making a claim about things going on in the air should have data gathered from the air. The source has been claimed but has yet to be proven. It is disingenuous to make this claim without making an effort substantiate it by actually going into the air.
Referring specifically to the highlighted portion. Perhaps, Bob, this maybe so in your opinion, but it does not make it so in fact. Military personnel involved in doing the spraying have come forth to warn the public. The chemicals which have been alleged to be sprayed, and which are found at extremely low levels in our general natural environment, if at all, have been found all over the earth, where they are spraying, in high concentrations, thousands of times higher than healthy amounts for humans, and other plants and animals.
As identified by the text of current federal law, chemtrails, by definition, are different from contrails, and are classified as an exotic weapon. Chemtrail Manuals are available online teaching young Air-force cadets how to use the weapon in a war against humanity.
So the phenomenon of chemtrails definitely exists with 100% certainty, according to federal law. Insiders in the military involved in the implementation of the regular use of this weapon have come forth to warn the public that this weapon is being used against them. The chemicals which the military insiders say are being sprayed are now showing up in the surface environment of earth at extremely higher levels than natural. These factors alone are sufficient evidence for a reasonable person.
If you are among the minority of die-hard extremist skeptics, then "scientists" from your group may conduct your own experiments, which you have never done, then let us know what you find,,,,if you have the courage.
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Again you are putting the onus on me. I am not the one claiming that certain clouds are contrails and others are clearly identified as chemtrails. Without testing what is in these clouds, you can not substantiate that what is in them is different. If the scientific community can see them, why aren't they going up there to gather this data?
The easy answer to this is chemtrails don't exist. The scientific answer to this is chemtrails don't exist.
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Has anyone bothered to track the tail numbers of planes supposedly spraying chemicals? That should be easy evidence to obtain, then you could garner useful information about the plane in question. I suppose eric will suggest I do that, instead of questioning why the people making the claims haven't.
Chemtrails is a term originated by the Airforce DOD. So yet again, there is no question as to the existence of such terminology and/or technology. The associated patents to conduct this type of spraying have been provided in the Case Orange report as well as at numerous other locations. Chemtrails have been categorized and recognized as an exotic weapon in official legally admissible Congressional records. However wether you use the term "chemtrails" or "persistent contrails", the terminology is merely a matter of semantics, and makes no real difference. The real question is what are they spraying, and why, and how to get them to stop.
If opponents of chemtrails are still obsessed with proving the obvious reality of the situation to themselves despite the overwhelming wealth of knowledge that already exists, then by all means commission and conduct whatever additional experiments you see fit. However, be warned that meddling in the affairs of the military and department of defense is not a game.
Bob seems to think that the scientists that have researched this issue so far have not lived in fear of repercussions against them for releasing their findings, but that isn't true. All scientists for the Belfort Group that conducted an independent study of the phenomena of chemtrails/persistant contrails did so anonymously particularly because of fear and threats of persecution.
Concequently, for those who don't know the truth and haven't taken the time to credibly research it, but do nothing but sit idly by and criticize the scientific findings of others, you can incur the cost and risk of additional tests, experiments, etc., as you deem fit, and share any findings that aren't already in-line with the current state of existing scientific knowledge regarding the issue.
If opponents of chemtrails are still obsessed with proving the obvious reality of the situation to themselves despite the overwhelming wealth of knowledge that already exists, then by all means commission and conduct whatever additional experiments you see fit. However, be warned that meddling in the affairs of the military and department of defense is not a game.
Bob seems to think that the scientists that have researched this issue so far have not lived in fear of repercussions against them for releasing their findings, but that isn't true. All scientists for the Belfort Group that conducted an independent study of the phenomena of chemtrails/persistant contrails did so anonymously particularly because of fear and threats of persecution.
Concequently, for those who don't know the truth and haven't taken the time to credibly research it, but do nothing but sit idly by and criticize the scientific findings of others, you can incur the cost and risk of additional tests, experiments, etc., as you deem fit, and share any findings that aren't already in-line with the current state of existing scientific knowledge regarding the issue.
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The Belfore Group is not the only organization publishing findings and continuing to do research. People are stepping up everyday with their findings yet none of them took a plane into the air to gather evidence. Let's get back to the basic accusation. Chemtrails are easily identified and different from contrails because of their content. Your scientific people are pointing to the sky, fingering at lines in the sky and saying that's where it's coming from EVERYDAY. None of them have gone up there to gather the evidence.
No such thing. Learn the structure of the government.
My grandmother is 96 and she doesn't believe that a man ever landed on the moon, my nephew is 14 and he believes that 2 Pac is still alive and living in South America. No amount of evidence, has or ever will, convince them of anything other than their preconceived notions. But no one is going to spend the rest of their lives trying to convince them of the truth, because life goes on regardless of wether you believe the truth or not.
As for Chemtrails, there is more than enough information in the public domain to convince a reasonable person of their existance. If you haven't done sufficient credible research on your own, but refuse to believe in the obvious reality of their existance simply because you have a contrary preconceived notion, then you choose to remain in the dark and willfully blind of the truth. That is your decision, and you have to live with the consequences of making such a foolish decision.
Additional scientiific inquiry of the type you suggest is very dangerous and risky for numerous reasons which you would only understand if "your scientists" attempted to do it yourself. The world in not going to bend over backward to convince a few die-hard skeptics of the truth.
The existing body of knowledge regarding the phenomenon of Chemtrails is well-established. If detractors or opponents of the truth wish to fly planes into the Chemtrails, or track planes responsible for the spraying, then go ahead. But if "your scientists" do not care enough, or have enough courage, to undertake any investigations of your own, than you have no choice but to submit to the established scientific precedents regarding the subject matter, since you have no better evidence.
Wrong. As I said, the Department of Defense first published “Chemtrails” in 1990 as the title to a chemistry course for new pilots attending US Air Force Academy. Subsequent editions of “Chemtrails” have been published. Several 1998 editions were found for sale (ISBN: 0201306840 – ISBN-13: 9780201306842) Publisher: Addison Wesley Publishing Company.
I have the 1990 version from the DoD myself. So do some research next time before you come into my thread spewing uninformed stupidity.
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Your selected scientists make the claim that certain clouds have chemicals in them. It is going on all of the time and they see it happening. Why aren't they up there gathering evidence? The fear excuse isn't there since dozens of books have been published on the subject this year alone. Do not try to substitute the word information with evidence. There is plenty of information about the Easter Bunny but no evidence.
This from a guy who just dismisses any dissent as misinformed. LOL