5 Million Illegals to Get Amenisty

Legzman

what the fuck you lookin at?
Did you make a conscious decision to come on here tonight and post the stupidest shit you could come up with? Constitutional lawyers from both sides agree that he's within his rights, but of course you know better. This isn't a slap in anybody's face, it's a president finally doing what the majority of America elected him to do. Comprehensive immigration reform passed the senate a long time ago, but your buddies in the house refused to put it to a vote because they knew the people wanted it. As for securing the border, it's included as part of the plan. Do you even have any idea what the order entails?

I know it allows 5 million illegals to stay in this country for absolutely no fucking reason! He may or may not have the legal authority to do what he's been doing, but one thing is indisputable, he's far overreaching his authority.

All hail king obama! :bowdown:
 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
You normally make excellent point, but I lost it in the verbiage you posted.

Re: My ancestors who stole and murdered: 1- I'm not sure mine did. Mine are from Ireland. Maybe, but they didn't do it in the US. 2 - Is there any evidence that peaceful immigrants are more productive than the ones who stole and murdered? (said tongue in cheek)

Well there were a bunch of Irishmen in the US Army during the Injun wars so.......

Both sides of my family came over from 1890-1909 so I definitely don't have any mass murdering slave owners in the closet.

I'm still curious about "amenisty" and if MustBeStupid's crack pipe is hot to the touch.
 
Hillary's view

Clinton: Obama immigration effort 'historic step'

Associated Press By KEN THOMAS
November 22, 2014 4:08 AM

NEW YORK (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton says she supports President Barack Obama's executive actions to protect about 5 million immigrants living in the U.S. illegally, calling it a "historic step" and urging Congress to pursue a measure approved by the Senate last year.

Clinton placed the efforts aimed at changing immigration policy in the context of families, many of whom she said are longtime residents raising children and paying taxes.

"This is about people's lives," she said Friday during an appearance at the New York Historical Society, adding that it was about "people who serve us tonight, who prepared the food tonight."

Clinton is considering a presidential campaign in 2016 and her embrace of Obama's actions come in sharp contrast to Republican condemnation of the changes the president has ordered.

"I think the president took an historic step and I support it," the former secretary of state said in her first public comments on the issue. She had issued a statement shortly after Obama's speech Thursday night expressing support.

Obama's actions were in line with previous moves by Democratic and Republican presidents alike, she said. However, many Republicans in Congress accuse Obama of overstepping his executive powers.

Charging hypocrisy, the Republican National Committee released a Web video earlier in the day that included the audio of an April 2008 Clinton speech in which she criticized President George W. Bush's use of signing statements and other means "to transform the executive into an imperial presidency."

Clinton spoke about the immigration plan during an interview with Walter Isaacson, the biographer and CEO of the Aspen Institute, at the event. She said she was studying the life and presidency of Theodore Roosevelt and discussed the need for Americans to find a "common purpose."

"I think we just need to get back into that can-do, problem-solving spirit that the Roosevelts exemplified," she said.

The former first lady jumped back into the political conversation as dozens of her staunchest allies gathered at a New York hotel earlier Friday — even though she has yet to say whether she will run.

Ready for Hillary, a Democratic super PAC unaffiliated with Clinton, convened the meeting of 200 financial backers and Clinton insiders to prepare for a campaign.

"It was a leap of faith," Harold Ickes, who worked in Bill Clinton's White House, said of the Ready for Hillary effort. "We didn't know if people would come to us, but we now have 3 million names, which will be important to her if she runs."

Clinton sits far atop a hypothetical field of Democratic candidates that is beginning to take shape.

Vice President Joe Biden and outgoing Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley are potential challengers to Clinton, as is former Virginia Sen. Jim Webb, who has opened an exploratory committee.

Discussions at the session included lessons learned from the 2014 election, the media landscape and what the 2016 campaign might look like.

Attendees said they had no inside knowledge on when Clinton would make her decision. But they said the early organizing on her behalf would facilitate the transition from private citizen to candidate. Ready for Hillary has identified 3 million supporters and raised more than $10 million.

"It's given her the luxury of time," said Jerry Crawford, an Iowa attorney.

They cautioned against the notion that Clinton would have a big advantage because of her existing network from her husband's two terms and her own political operation. "She's not inevitable," said Adam Parkhomenko, Ready for Hillary's executive director. "It's not going to be easy."

The ballroom included leaders of Democratic groups Priorities USA Action, American Bridge 21st Century and Correct the Record.
 
Ok. However, even though Native Americans had the best light cavalry the world has ever seen, they still had their collective asses handed to them. They lost. Its unfair. its over. If you could get it on the ballot I would vote not to turn back the hands of time. I get the drama of the point. Beyond that it is off point.
What thr natives endured bares a name : it's called "genocide"


American governments have signed more than 400 treaties with natves and have violated them all
Howard Zinn


revidffum said:
First thing is, they need to conform to the laws and language of America...and the ones that won't, or don't...we should send over to France, and let them stay at Johan's house.
Actually those who do have a criminal record are not concerned by this amnesty.
About the language, no laws establishing a federal official language has ever been passed by congress.
 
Was listening to NPR's Here & Now.

The undocumented residents are not all Latinos. In the 5 million are residents from throughout the world.

Reason Obama had in the language suspected terrorist will be deported.
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
What thr natives endured bares a name : it's called "genocide"


American governments have signed more than 400 treaties with natves and have violated them all
Howard Zinn


Actually those who do have a criminal record are not concerned by this amnesty.
About the language, no laws establishing a federal official language has ever been passed by congress.


Then they should, and since the people that stole the land spoke English, that's what it should be....now, how many illegals can you fit in your house? Just in case. More importantly, what's Frances policy on illegal immigration, or legal for that matter.How do the people feel about learning Italian, for the Italian immigrants...what about Arabic? Does your country practice what it preaches....because Mexico sure as fuck doesn't!
 
France's policy's on illegal immigration is off-topic. it's quite tough, this kind of amnesty Obama is doing has ben considered by some parties and some politicians but none of the two big parties have ever said they will actually do it. But I think it's the best way to solve the problem, I think it's unfair to deport immigrant who' ve been in the country for years, who've adopted the ways of the country, have their families in the country, etc. They may have entered illegaly, OK. But they've made efforts to adopt the lifestyle of the country and now, their life is the country, they have nothing that relies them to the country they came from.
 
France's policy's on illegal immigration is off-topic. it's quite tough, this kind of amnesty Obama is doing has ben considered by some parties and some politicians but none of the two big parties have ever said they will actually do it. But I think it's the best way to solve the problem, I think it's unfair to deport immigrant who' ve been in the country for years, who've adopted the ways of the country, have their families in the country, etc. They may have entered illegaly, OK. But they've made efforts to adopt the lifestyle of the country and now, their life is the country, they have nothing that relies them to the country they came from.

Aren't the majority of the recent immigrants to France are from Algeria?
 
Aren't the majority of the recent immigrants to France are from Algeria?
Algeria, no. Algeria, Morocco and Tunisia, yes. But we alos have many people comig from former Yugoslavia and from Rumania or Bulgaria
 

bobjustbob

Proud member of FreeOnes Hall Of Fame. Retired to
Reading, writing and speaking English are part of the citizenship test. Exceptions are if you are 50 or 55 and held the green card 15-20 years. The civics test must be taken by all applicants.
 
Reading, writing and speaking English are part of the citizenship test. Exceptions are if you are 50 or 55 and held the green card 15-20 years. The civics test must be taken by all applicants.
Fair enough. But you would have noticed that I mentioned people "who've adopted the ways of the country". That includes -among other things- speaking, reading and writing English.
 
Algeria, no. Algeria, Morocco and Tunisia, yes. But we alos have many people comig from former Yugoslavia and from Rumania or Bulgaria

I thought from Northern Africa it was Algeria because of a news story I heard a decade ago about terrorist concerns and France was trying to stop immigration from Algeria. Think the story was about riots in Paris.
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
France's policy's on illegal immigration is off-topic. it's quite tough, this kind of amnesty Obama is doing has ben considered by some parties and some politicians but none of the two big parties have ever said they will actually do it. But I think it's the best way to solve the problem, I think it's unfair to deport immigrant who' ve been in the country for years, who've adopted the ways of the country, have their families in the country, etc. They may have entered illegaly, OK. But they've made efforts to adopt the lifestyle of the country and now, their life is the country, they have nothing that relies them to the country they came from.

And here in lies the problem...they not only do not want to adopt our culture, the flat out refuse, and expect this country to change for them. I shouldn't have to press "1" for English! Just because they've been here for years, doesn't mean they have rights...where are their back taxes for all of those years of wage earning. Oh yeah, many of them are gang members and criminals, so all they really are, is a burden.
 
1) For the third time, those who have a criminal record are not concerned by the alnesty, so stop talking about gang-members.
2) Do not blame immigrants for having to press "1" for english, blame the corporations
3) Just because they are immigrants they should refund the welfare they've been receiving ?
4) Ok, if they don't try to adapt to the country, then deport them but, once more, if they do try, do not deport them.


Nw, if a person is an illegal immigrant but has a job, pay taxes, speaks, writes and reads english, has no criminal record and have been in the country for five years, wouldyou accept him to be now considered as a legal immigrant ? Would you allow him to stay or would you deport him ?
 
This learn English cracks me up.

During the Ellis Island period the immigrants that came over the majority of them did not learn English and spoke in their native tongue. Their children through assimilation into American society learned English.

I shop at a converted hardware food store that is Mexican owned and all I hear is Spanish and Mexican music, but it doesn't bother me. Even the Russian community on the east side speak Russian all the time. Better from walking around a big box type of food store for miles.

Get over it revidffum because there is no such thing as American Culture. It is a melting pot of many cultures. My daughter by the way is bilingual in English and Spanish as they teach kids both since the 1st grade at her school.
 

Supafly

Retired Mod
Bronze Member
Maybe a complete testing for every person on US soil about english language, grammar, basic laws and history were in order. To sort out people who are not willing and/or able to adapt.

Of course, then the south will probably just segregate, I bet a third to a half of the people who are already citizens don't know jack themselves

Be careful to throw the first stone!
 
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