*2020 US Presidential Elections* - Candidates, Statistics, Campaign Timelines, Debates

[pool_hustler]

An establishment democrat campaigning on nothing but "Orange Man Bad". Correct me if I'm wrong but I think we already saw that, we know how it ends...

An affable, likable, "known" establishment democrat who is NOT under investigation by the FBI and isn't anchored down by a mountain of vulnerable baggage in concert with a flinty personality. A very big difference to me.

And in fact a number of actual issues to ****** apart from simply "orange man bad".

Sanders will be cast as the commie boogie man, and you just know Trump is literally licking his chops over the field day he'll have pounding Sanders incessantly on that point; a critical point he can't use against Biden.

I'll say it again: I wish it was the Biden of 4 years ago, but at this point in time still think he's our best chance to get rid of the complete abomination in the White House. That's job one, and the jumping off point for the greater progressivism you'd like to see follow.

Supa: for VP I'm leaning towards Warren, or possibly Mayor Pete.

 

[Supafly]

You are right, I think. To pick the right VP candidate is a major choice, and to pick Warren would be the best pick possible.

I think, Mayor Pete, as sad as it is, might be a risk, concerning the biblethumping people who are still against LGBT people.

 

[Johan]

If you think picking Warren for VP would appease progrssives and get them to vote for Bernie in the genral election, you're delusionnal : From falsely claiming Bernie told her no woman could win the election, to her backpedaling on key progressives issues, her refusal to endorse Bernie (which is, de facto, an endorsement of Biden) and her non-stop attacks on Bernie supporters, progresives are mad against her.

If you don't trust me, just have a look at progressive media outlets :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3PqWnGkJfo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGzx3Jowzqo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTzMPjLvBl0

So, picking Warren might get most of her supporters to vote for Biden but how many people is that ? Well, not that much according ot her pre-drop out results. I mean, she finished 4th in her home state...
In fact, having her as Biden's VP pick could be the straw that would break the camel's back and have some progressives staying home instead of voting for Biden against Trump.

In the end, wether Biden picks Warren, Harris or anyone doesn't matter. It won't change the fact that there's NO WAY he would beat Trump.
Biden can pick anyone, it doesn't matter, the election is already over, Trump won

 

[Straight Shooter]

This is how I feel at the moment. Will I vote in November if Biden is the nominee? Maybe. Maybe not. I don't know. But like Kyle said, if they keep telling progressives to fuck off, I'm going to do exactly what they want. I'm gonna fuck off

 

[Little Red Wagon Repairman]

Congratulations to The ******** Joe as he's that much closer to being crowned winner of the loser of the 2020 Presidential Election. Let's hope he doesn't get confused and kiss his ****** thinking it's his wife.

This just in... Corn Pop just endorsed Joe Biden.

 

[meesterperfect]

So most do agree with me that Biden has " Democratic Presidential Nominee Loser 2020" tattooed on his forehead.
He's also wearing a shirt that says "I ran for president in 2020 and all I got was this stupid shirt".

But I guess thats about as far as anybody feels like thinking it through. After all thinking for yourself is like really hard.

So everybody hates Trump. The Entire Mass Media from actors to "news people" and beyond.
Everybody wants him gone. Supposedly 51% never wanted him 4 years ago so I think its safe to assume its much more now.

Most of the Democratic politicians want him gone.
I think we can agree on all that right?
"Worst President ever, racist, sexist homophobe, Zenaphobe, phobophobe, ect".
So then why in the wide wide world of sports are they promoting Biden? A sure loser. A life long political supporting actor.
A man who inspires even less motivation then a ham sandwhich on white hold the mayo.
Why? Don't they want to win? Don't they reall want Trump gone?
300+ million people and the best they can come up with is a man best known for getting innapropriately close the young ******** in public.

Where are all the other democrats? Why aren't they running? Maybe for 2 reasons:
They already know that Trump has been chosen for another 4 years.
And even more so, the people with all the money who own all the politicians know the same thing.

Even Hiliary is nowhere to be found and if she ran she would surely be the next PREZ. The 1st Female Human President.
What she don't wanna be president no more? Changed her mind did she?
But she knows whats up more than anybody, she's not going to waste her time again and not even her superiors are going to ask her.
And if she ran and lost then millions more will **** up to the fact that the elections are fake.

So its Biden, the guy that people can easily believe actually lost to trump. Kinda like Mc'Can't/Palin 2012 all over again.

 

[pool_hustler]

This is how I feel at the moment. Will I vote in November if Biden is the nominee? Maybe. Maybe not. I don't know. But like Kyle said, if they keep telling progressives to fuck off, I'm going to do exactly what they want. I'm gonna fuck off

You aren't being told to "fuck off". You're being asked to go along with the most likely winning strategy at this moment. Your time of ascension is actually probably quite near.

But if y'all wanna have a hissy fit instead this fucking lunatic thanks you from the bottom of his tiny little nutsack.

 

[Johan]

You aren't being told to "fuck off". You're being asked to go along with the most likely winning strategy at this moment. Your time of ascension is actually probably quite near.

US progressives are being told to go along with what the establishment thinks is the winning strategy, depiste the fact that 1) it doesn't matches their policy positions and 2) they don't think it is the most likely winning strategy. In other words, yes, they are being told to fuck off (and vote for a candidate that's being shoved through their throat.

When Biden was asked wether or not he would accept Bernie as the nominee if he get the most delegates but doesn't have the majority, he said he'll contest Bernie's nomination, get a brokered convention. And now Bernie voters are being told to fuck off. Biden can fight tooth and nails but Bernie has to suttender immediately ? Seriously ?
That's not the kind f things that's gonna convince Bernie voters to vote for Biden if he becomes the nominee.
You catch more flies with honey than vinegar

 

[FOUser#4510856320198a]

"If we do everything right, if we do it with absolute certainty, there's still a 30% chance we're going to get it wrong."


— Joe Biden, speaking to members of the House Democratic caucus, gathered in Williamsburg, VA for their annual retreat. 2/06/09

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ALL democrats are being told to 'fuck off', get behind this baffled stooge, fake sandwich, and shut their Goddamned mouths :zipped: , because this idiot is the only one that's any good at eating his foot. :quack: [SUP]:error:[/SUP] :quack:

The rest of them don't bounce back from their flagrant displays of open-mouthed empty-headedness like he does his.

Get behind your corrupt, dunderheaded career politician fatmouth. :rofl2:

This is going to be *****'s play. :loveeyes:

 

[zeeblofowl_1969]

"If we do everything right, if we do it with absolute certainty, there's still a 30% chance we're going to get it wrong."


— Joe Biden, speaking to members of the House Democratic caucus, gathered in Williamsburg, VA for their annual retreat. 2/06/09

:clap:

ALL democrats are being told to 'fuck off', get behind this baffled stooge, fake sandwich, and shut their Goddamned mouths :zipped: , because this idiot is the only one that's any good at eating his foot. :quack: [SUP]:error:[/SUP] :quack:

The rest of them don't bounce back from their flagrant displays of open-mouthed empty-headedness like he does his.

Get behind your corrupt, dunderheaded career politician fatmouth. :rofl2:

This is going to be *****'s play. :loveeyes:

As opposed to your self loathing, immature,
Spoiled rotten, racist prick..
Did I forget orange skinned, goofy comb over, fat asses, douche bag??
Or ******** craving, despot hugging, unwanted pussy grabber??
Oh yeah he’s a mobster also speaking of corrupt.

 

[meesterperfect]

Yes Yes. We all know it. Biden sucks.
The sky is blue, fish swim, bears **** in the woods, and Biden sucks.
We all know it! We know it. They know it. Everybody knows it!

We're not the only people on this island and we all know it!

1st Bidens numbers are fake. But lets assume for those of you who still think you have a say in any of this that its all real.
Nothing is planned and your vote counts.
Why is the Democratic Party and the media (who both **** Trump soooo much) pushing Joe "I have no chance of winning an honest election" Biden?

Why promote a sure loser? There is only one answer to that question. They don't want to win or better yet they know its already decided on 4 more years of Trump.
Ok one other possible answer is that they might even tell us Biden won and proclaim him the winner. Stranger things have happened.
Remember Buster Douglas? He did it. The 1980 US Winter Olympic Hockey team did it. And who could forget Crash beating a movie about Cowboy Butt Sex in 2005 Hollywood?
Upsets do happen. But Biden? He ain't no Bucky Dent. He won't be hitting any homers over the Big Orange *******.

And imagine how boring that would be having Joe Biden as PREZ? What are the politicians and news media gonna distract us with if Joe is Prez?

 

[Supafly]

Yeah, that was another fun vacation into the mystic.

But let's assume the numbers do paint a realistic picture, and let's assume the elections are actually being in the first step decided by the voting citizens.

Here is a view on the current situation in the Democratic Party primaries, from the german "Deutsche Welle", one of our public-funded stations.

Biden is closer to having collected the key number of delegates to get chosen directly as the candidate, and I can see why:

Voters probably want to make sure Trump gets voted out, and Biden already has been in the White House, and he offers the less adventurous positions. So the people will probably keep putting their vote on the safe *****.

 

[meesterperfect]

Mystic? Try real-istic pal.

But ok lets ASS-U-Me like you said.

Do you really think that if voters wanted Trump out that they would go with a wet sponge like Dojo Biden?
Hello? Don't be so gullible McSupafly.
They would go with Bernie because Bernie could and would beat Trump.........again we are assuming that its real and not rigged.

And the media and democrat politicians who want Trump out would be promoting the candidate who has the best chance of beating Trump.
Not a Bum like Biden.

 

[Johan]

What you fail to understand, MP, is that the "powers that be" don't need to actually rig the elections 'cause the medias doing it for them : All mainstream medias are trashing Bernie and sugar-coating Biden, 24/7. If these "powers that be" want to put their guy in the White House, they don't need to ignore people's vote, only to convince people to vote fort their guy.

You're fantasizing about some big secret organisation that would stay in the shadow, choosing who's gonna be in the White House, in the Senate and then telling these people what to do, what to say, etc.
Reality is slightly different : it's all happening, right in front of our eyes and we're to blind to see it or we see it but refuse to acknowledge it.

 

[meesterperfect]

What you fail to understand, MP, is that the "powers that be" don't need to actually rig the elections 'cause the medias doing it for them : All mainstream medias are trashing Bernie and sugar-coating Biden, 24/7. If these "powers that be" want to put their guy in the White House, they don't need to ignore people's vote, only to convince people to vote fort their guy.

You're fantasizing about some big secret organisation that would stay in the shadow, choosing who's gonna be in the White House, in the Senate and then telling these people what to do, what to say, etc.
Reality is slightly different : it's all happening, right in front of our eyes and we're to blind to see it or we see it but refuse to acknowledge it.

Awesome insight. Very good. And I do understand that johan.
You are correct about the power of the media. The media is a tool to influence, persuade, and propagandize the people. The Plebs, the peasants, the commoners.
And at no time is that more apparent then during the elections.

Most people believe anything they are told by the "news" media because they were raised to believe that actual journalism still exists. It don't.
(But make no mistake more and more people, especially younger people are waking up to the fact that the news media is full of ****). I mean I don't think any of us Trust the news media as much now than we did about 10 years ago.
So if they tell us Hiliary is doing great or everybody loves Joe Biden then people believe it, and they jump on board because everybody loves a winner.

So yeah the power of the media can make or break a candidate I agree. But who controls that media? Isn't something how they all say the exact same thing?

So sure they could tell us Biden is beating Sanders even though nobody with a functioning brain would believe that. And they can promote Biden over Sanders and influence many people.
We agree on that.
But when it comes down do actually declaring the winner we have no say. Its just realistic thinking that the richest of the rich are going to make sure they have who's best for them in office.
But you know its beyond that now. No matter who's THE PREZ the richest of the rich are going to call the shots. Its all about putting on a good show now. And by golly Trump puts on one hell of a show.


You mention these "powers that be" as if its some kind of crazy theory and anybody who considers it must be Bound For Bedlam (that means crazy).
But come on get real. There have been people in real power in all societys going back as far as known history.

 

[Johan]

Yeah, the medias are controlled by actual people but that doesn't mean Ted Turner, Rupert Murdoch or Bob Chapek (new Disney CEO) are the real rulers of America. Medias have a certain influence on people but not 100%. We've seen that in 2016 : except Fox News, all medias were telling people that Trump was evil, that he was a ****, a fasict, a racist, etc. Obviouly they wanted Hillary, not Trump in the Oval Office. Unfortunately for them it back-fired, which proves that, in the end, people still have the last word.
Same goes for the President and the lobbies : Lobbies can counsel the President, tell him what would be best for business, all they can do is try to push him in a certain direction. In th end, the President still has the last word. Particulary with someone like Trump who thinks he has a natural talent that makes him better than anyone about anything.

All along history, the person in real power has always been the official leader, not his counsellors. Otherwise, there would have never been people like Nero : actual leader gone mad, do everything his, doesn't listen to anyone, trust no one

 

[Johan]

Oh and I forgot : YES there are still real journalists. First example that come to my mind would be Glenn Greenwald, the guy wo wroted the articles about US surveillance program, based on documents he got from Snowden.

 

[meesterperfect]

Yeah, the medias are controlled by actual people but that doesn't mean Ted Turner, Rupert Murdoch or Bob Chapek (new Disney CEO) are the real rulers of America. Medias have a certain influence on people but not 100%. We've seen that in 2016 : except Fox News, all medias were telling people that Trump was evil, that he was a ****, a fasict, a racist, etc. Obviouly they wanted Hillary, not Trump in the Oval Office. Unfortunately for them it back-fired, which proves that, in the end, people still have the last word.
Same goes for the President and the lobbies : Lobbies can counsel the President, tell him what would be best for business, all they can do is try to push him in a certain direction. In th end, the President still has the last word. Particulary with someone like Trump who thinks he has a natural talent that makes him better than anyone about anything.

All along history, the person in real power has always been the official leader, not his counsellors. Otherwise, there would have never been people like Nero : actual leader gone mad, do everything his, doesn't listen to anyone, trust no one

Ok , well you have much more faith in the system than I do.
You feel the President has the final word. Makes the final decisions.
I believe those days are long gone. I feel they are actors playing a role and reading a script and have no power at all.

Yes youre point about Nero is correct but keep in mind the only way those guys had power was because the Praetorian Guard gave it to them. Once they crossed them or a better choice came along it was bye bye Emporer , Hello ***** soaked toga.
There is always someone behind the curtain.
But that was ancient history.
These days all they need is a semi competent actor with enough energy to show up for work everyday.

 

[Supafly]

For the sake of staying as much on topic as possible, I'll say:

That is your POV as we have gotten to know by now. That's okay. I for one do not share this view, at least not as far as you push it.

Are there deals made behind the scenes, are there groups influencing senators or other representatives or whole parties? Yes, there are. But we disagree on our judgement how far this infuence goes.

I think the key lies in the existence and the possibilities of the "Electoral College". And the massive possibilities of paying representatives money as a form of "Freedom of Speech"

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[meesterperfect]

Yeah I'll back off on that supa, I know its getting old. I guess I'm just trying to help people look beyond what the news companies tell them.
I saw a post from a old friend on FB about Trump and someone else posted that Hiliary will probably be Bidens VP.
I asked them if they were high.
The guy got all angry at me. I think he wants to kick my ass. Boy that FB is a rough place I'll tell ya.
Thats why I like it here. Its a Kinder, Gentler message board.