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xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
There is a vitriol you have that makes it difficult to have a discussion on a topic with you. If I’ve offended you in some communication on here, I don’t think that was my intent.

I don’t think the USPS is mandated but the Constitution gives the right to establish it. How it or if it is funded is up to Congress. I do agree that it should be treated as a fundamental service and be restructured and funded as needed.

I take no personal credit for any information I post. I’m a non-entity on here, anyway and don’t claim original work. I think links are helpful, but not required, just as I have no issue with you sharing the misinformation of the need to prefund for 75 years in the same manner.

You were trying to play a game with me. You were posing questions seemingly in a Socratic way. The Socratic method is to stimulate learning and thinking. It isn’t meant for a gotcha question. (Leonard Cohen wrote,”Love is not a victory march”).

I’d like to have respectful discussions.

It's just the large font that's making you think I have vitriol, so I'll just type in default font. Better?

And, perhaps that I have absolutely no tolerance for anyone that is even seemingly in support of anything the party of Trump does. None. Zero. They are traitors, bigots, liars, and frauds, led by the shadiest criminal con man to ever step foot in the oval office, and that is a remarkable feat.
 
It's just the large font that's making you think I have vitriol, so I'll just type in default font. Better?

And, perhaps that I have absolutely no tolerance for anyone that is even seemingly in support of anything the party of Trump does. None. Zero. They are traitors, bigots, liars, and frauds, led by the shadiest criminal con man to ever step foot in the oval office, and that is a remarkable feat.
Actually it is better.

I have no tolerance for bigots and liars as well. I think the difference here is I’ll call out the left and right and from what I’ve seen, you only put the right or Trump supporters’ feet to the fire. Well, that is a 50% alignment to start from.

While I do not want to see Trump in again, I’m also so tired of choosing between evils. We have over 300 million people in this country...and this is our choice.
 

xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
Actually it is better.

I have no tolerance for bigots and liars as well. I think the difference here is I’ll call out the left and right and from what I’ve seen, you only put the right or Trump supporters’ feet to the fire. Well, that is a 50% alignment to start from.

While I do not want to see Trump in again, I’m also so tired of choosing between evils. We have over 300 million people in this country...and this is our choice.

I think you're a little too **** regarding how fucking terrible Trump is.

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Guys, turn it down a notch. You are both not helping your case, both regarding making the other actually see your point, and second: If you go further down this road, time-outs lie.
 
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xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
https://news.nd.edu/news/postal-ser...ressional-mandate-not-low-prices-expert-says/



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On April 24, President Trump threatened to block an emergency federal loan for the U.S. Postal Service unless it raised shipping prices for online retailers. Trump’s comments came during a ceremony to sign a $484 billion coronavirus relief bill that would help small businesses and hospitals.

But, according to James O’Rourke, professor of management at the University of Notre Dame’s Mendoza College of Business, the postal service’s money troubles have little to do with low prices and much more to do with a stifling congressional mandate.


“The Trump administration is mistaken about its claim that the postal service is losing money ‘every time they hand out a package for Amazon and other Internet companies,’” O’Rourke said. “The current agreement with Amazon, and presumably other online merchants, is, at the very least, a break-even arrangement. The reason the postal service is losing money is because of a congressionally mandated retirement healthcare funding program that no other government agency is required to observe. This creates a $6.5 billion annual shortfall that could easily be avoided.”

The solution, O’Rourke says, would involve three steps:


“First, repeal the pre-funding mandate and use the accumulated reserves to fund future pay-as-you-go costs,” he said. “That reserve now has about $47 billion on deposit. Second, adopt generally accepted accounting principles to determine postal service liabilities. Nearly every for-profit business in this country does exactly that. And third, provide Medicare for future USPS retirees. This is precisely what military retirees are required to participate in.”


“The postal service is a joke,” Trump told reporters in the Oval Office. “The post office should raise the price of a package by approximately four times,” he said.


But O’Rourke says, at the encouragement of the president, Congress created this problem on their own.


“It would be unwise to allow this to continue,” he said. “Also, covering a $6.5 billion shortfall with a four-fold increase in parcel post would essentially close down that class of service. They cannot make it up with higher-priced stamps.”


Contact: James O'Rourke,
James.S.ORourke.2@nd.edu
 
And, perhaps that I have absolutely no tolerance for anyone that is even seemingly in support of anything the party of Trump does. None. Zero. They are traitors, bigots, liars, and frauds, led by the shadiest criminal con man to ever step foot in the oval office, and that is a remarkable feat.

I agree 100%. So sick of people trying to equate the failings of both sides. Saying "but both sides lie, and both sides are just interested in power" is like saying "yeah, that guy burned down an orphanage with the orphans still inside, but this guy over here is having a bbq during a fire ban!"
 

gmase

Nattering Nabob of Negativism
I agree 100%. So sick of people trying to equate the failings of both sides. Saying "but both sides lie, and both sides are just interested in power" is like saying "yeah, that guy burned down an orphanage with the orphans still inside, but this guy over here is having a bbq during a fire ban!"
Typically the gap is narrower between the options. This year, the difference is a chasm the size of the Grand Canyon.
 
https://news.nd.edu/news/postal-ser...ressional-mandate-not-low-prices-expert-says/



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“It would be unwise to allow this to continue,” he said. “Also, covering a $6.5 billion shortfall with a four-fold increase in parcel post would essentially close down that class of service. They cannot make it up with higher-priced stamps.”


Contact: James O'Rourke,
James.S.ORourke.2@nd.edu

If you are arguing that the PAEA should be repealed or replaced, then make that point. You seem to keep making the point that eh USPS is losing money because of it.

You’re original comment that was, lets face it, a lie. 75 years isn’t in the PAEA and it wasn’t true. If you found it in a meme or a political post, it doesn’t really matter. There are issues, but that lie makes politics a problem in trying to fix a real issue.

Keeping it simple – the USPS own fact sheet explains that scrapping the pre-funding requirement “will not reduce our underlying liability for retiree health benefits, nor improve our cash flow or long-term financial position”

https://about.usps.com/news/delivers-facts/usps-delivers-the-facts.pdf

The team working on a potential solutions – The Task Force on the USPS – notes that the USPS did not pay the $43B that was to-plan. The mistake that O’Rouke makes is that he is looking at the first 10 years of the PAEA, not the financial reporting as I mentioned in the previous post.

2019 10K states they aren’t funding it…and so does the 2009…you can feel free to check all of them in between.

https://about.usps.com/what/financials/annual-reports/fy2019.pdf

https://about.usps.com/what/financi...stal,States” with the mandate that we offer a

I’m not saying they should, I’m saying they didn’t and since they didn’t it isn’t hampering their P&L. It is NOT the reason they are losing money because they haven’t paid it. If they did, yes, they would be out that much more. It is a liability.

The USPS states right in their fact sheet that they are going to have to default on the obligation.

This is the problem I have with people in an echo chamber. If you only want to hear what you believe, it becomes a breeding ground for Dunning-Kruger. Nobody escapes it.

Where I don’t fault you – This is not easy stuff and the amount of political noise is huge. You have to actually read the law and understand the finances. To do that, education to understand principles aside, you need to read them. Had you done so as I pointed at in my last post, you may have understood better. It is clear Shannon Roddel posted an article on other people’s opinions. While I may not disagree with the need to change the law, if the article represents O’Rourke’s understanding, then hopefully I can help clear things up with the email I sent him.

The article you posted make the mistake that some people call “Banking in your head, not in the bank”. It reports on the plan, not the performance to the plan.

Where I do blame you – I already told you this. You’re blinded by what you want to see, not what is. You will continue on, no matter what I just gave you for free here.

While I will not go back and forth with you on this any more, the information I’ve given you is more than enough to do your own math. It isn’t a waste for me, since I’m not going to use it for an undergrad exercise. It is current.
 

xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
I like how you nonchalantly call me a liar, then feign some sort of above it all air of non-partisanship. What I posted is that the PAEA forced the post office to pre-fund 75 years worth of retiree healthcare benefits in a ten year span. That's not a fucking lie, that is in the fucking legislation. I'm not the only one that's made the analysis that the PAEA is what's hurting the post office, you may disagree, you can roll out all the numbers you want, congratulations on your analysis, but I've posted others that back up what I asserted.
 
I like how you nonchalantly call me a liar, then feign some sort of above it all air of non-partisanship. What I posted is that the PAEA forced the post office to pre-fund 75 years worth of retiree healthcare benefits in a ten year span. That's not a fucking lie, that is in the fucking legislation. I'm not the only one that's made the analysis that the PAEA is what's hurting the post office, you may disagree, you can roll out all the numbers you want, congratulations on your analysis, but I've posted others that back up what I asserted.
I thought I was being direct. Even more so when you are repeating it now that you know it is a lie.
At this point you’ve read it and are a *** or are too lazy to read it, and *** enough to want to keep on believing the lie.

You are a *** **** *****.


Edit by Supafly:
Guys, turn it down a notch. You are both not helping your case, both regarding making the other actually see your point, and second: If you go further down this road, time-outs lie.
 
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xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
I thought I was being direct. Even more so when you are repeating it now that you know it is a lie.
At this point you’ve read it and are a liar or are too lazy to read it, and dumb enough to want to keep on believing the lie.

You are a case study for Dunning-Kruger

I've read the legislation, and in-depth analysis, nothing I've posted is a lie.So to recap, you've called me a liar, you've called me lazy, and you've called me dumb. Yep, that's on point with vicious and hateful personal attacks, keep up the good work.
 
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So, share the text of the law that states you are pre-paying 75 years of benefits in 10 years.
Then you still have to show where it actually happened.
 

xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
So, share the text of the law that states you are pre-paying 75 years of benefits in 10 years.
Then you still have to show where it actually happened.

At this point, no. I'm done conversing with you.

Refrain from commenting on my posts in the future, I'm not dignifying you going forward.
 
I'll just go back to browsing porn after this.

mikex takes the time to lay out an explanation that I'm willing to bet all of us are trying to get our head around and he is given childish comments in return.
Way to f'up a board.

One guy thinks I've accused him of being Lurking Dirk, which is crazy. Dirk was a very smart man

Then you have the person who keeps posting pictures of fishes.

Big fail from you guys. You aint got nothing to offer, so you whine.

We'll feel free to whine bitches. It was awesome to see xfire get so thoroughly schooled that he melted down.
(feel free to refrain from commenting on my posts....lol!!)

Edit: To everyone, trolling is not allowed now so please refrain from making personal attacks & comments about other members
 
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gmase

Nattering Nabob of Negativism
We'll appreciate it. After the Dophin Dick persona, what did you really expect? How many people did you drive out of the discussion with it? It's like Trump crying about why no one likes him. Look in the mirror dude.
 
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