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Yea or Nay: Legalize Marijuana (Prop 19 in CA)

Legalize Marijuana?

  • Yea

    Votes: 57 86.4%
  • Nay

    Votes: 9 13.6%

  • Total voters
    66
PlumpRump:
I was more referring to the kid down the street selling dope. It just wouldn't be profitable to sell something that is already legal. It would basically be like someone trying to sell "black market" beer or something similar. It just would be a waste of time.

Commercialized weed will most likely have regulated potency levels which will most likely be set artificially low. Let's say 8% potency. Well, the innovative and business savvy black market dealers/growers will offer 25%+ potency (as they already do). With so many different types of strains already in existence, the opportunity for specialty boutique niches is prosperous. So, if one considers that most people will prefer the convenience of buying weed rather than go through the hassles of growing their own, the black market will remain profitable. The competition between the two markets will provide for a good checks-&-balance system.
 
Well, dispensaries are already legal. I was more referring to the kid down the street selling dope. It just wouldn't be profitable to sell something that is already legal. It would basically be like someone trying to sell "black market" beer or something similar. It just would be a waste of time.

Since you're a kid who already knows the business, why not take the cash you're making from selling weed, get certified and get a legit job in a legit, 'growth' industry?

I hear some jobs can pay up to $45 per hr.
 
Since you're a kid who already knows the business, why not take the cash you're making from selling weed, get certified and get a legit job in a legit, 'growth' industry?

I hear some jobs can pay up to $45 per hr.

Sure, but at that point they're no longer "drug dealers," they're businesspersons. So, either way, if pot were to be legalized, their business would have to change by necessity, and there would likely be a sharp decrease in profits, due to expanded competition in the market and a, presumably, higher overhead cost.
 

Facetious

Moderated
Legalize it but write something in the bill that prohibits employers from testing it's employees and applicants for marijuana.
 
Sure, but at that point they're no longer "drug dealers," they're businesspersons. So, either way, if pot were to be legalized, their business would have to change by necessity, and there would likely be a sharp decrease in profits, due to expanded competition in the market and a, presumably, higher overhead cost.

Again, this argument is akin to contending illegal prostitutes want prostitution kept illegal because they fear competition and taxation. That's a ludicrous argument to me. As if the hassle of going to jail, threat of prosecution, accompanying danger from working in a black market is somehow less worse than that.

Legalize it but write something in the bill that prohibits employers from testing it's employees and applicants for marijuana.

Interesting. I suppose it would matter why the company is testing. I'm sure in most reasonable cases a company wouldn't react negatively to THC in your bloodstream if it was legal.
 
For those who are against it : if I want to smoke in my home, why the fuck couldn't I ? Why should other bother to what I do privately ?
 
For those who are against it : if I want to smoke in my home, why the fuck couldn't I ? Why should other bother to what I do privately ?

Because at some point you are going to get the munchies and have to go to the store. Of course since you have the 'reefer madness' and Funions, you will probably wind up killing 'Buttercup' or some other innocent police horse, you murdering bastard. The horses man, what about the horses! Oh wait... I mean the children... ah, whatever.

Most arguments against are mainly that the 'stoner' will get into a car and kill someone. They haven't done their research.
 

vodkazvictim

Why save the world, when you can rule it?
If anybody reads Allen Carrs easy way to stop smoking he talks about how he was scared in the old days when he heard about how criminals ere replacing a cigarettes tobacco with weed.
After curing smokers who also smoked weed of their addictions he saw how the smokers would villify tobacco yet accept weed; choosing to only smoke weed on the basis that it is healthier for you.
Don't believe me? Read Allen Carrs easy way to stop smoking. It does stop you smoking by the way.
 
After curing smokers who also smoked weed of their addictions he saw how the smokers would villify tobacco yet accept weed; choosing to only smoke weed on the basis that it is healthier for you.
Don't believe me? Read Allen Carrs easy way to stop smoking. It does stop you smoking by the way.

This statement is probably very true. I have spoken to quite a few tobacco smokers whom state that they would switch if cannabis were legal because of these reasons. They also reaffirmed your other statement that it would help them quit. Eases withdrawal symptoms and whatnot.
 
As are alcohol and tobacco, far worse drugs in fact. Are you in favour of making those illegal?

Different :

Tobacco doesn't affect your senses, alcohol does it only if you get drunk, not if you just take one glass of wine. Somking marjiuana makes you high from the very first breath.
 
Again, this argument is akin to contending illegal prostitutes want prostitution kept illegal because they fear competition and taxation. That's a ludicrous argument to me. As if the hassle of going to jail, threat of prosecution, accompanying danger from working in a black market is somehow less worse than that.

What's the point you're trying to make? That everything you say can be contrarian? Its ludicrous to you to comprehend that legal sales of weed will reap less profit than illegal sales? I really fail to see how you don't understand my point...

...they're no longer "drug dealers," they're businesspersons. So, either way, if pot were to be legalized, their business would have to change by necessity, and there would likely be a sharp decrease in profits, due to expanded competition in the market and a, presumably, higher overhead cost.

^ That's the point I'm making. The "business," as they know it would fundamentally change, and profits would inevitably decrease... you seem, as always, to be disagreeing as a matter of principle. Color me surprised.
 
What's the point you're trying to make? That everything you say can be contrarian? Its ludicrous to you to comprehend that legal sales of weed will reap less profit than illegal sales? I really fail to see how you don't understand my point...



^ That's the point I'm making. The "business," as they know it would fundamentally change, and profits would inevitably decrease... you seem, as always, to be disagreeing as a matter of principle. Color me surprised.

In most cases customers of any product find a good source for it and stick with their supplier. I don't believe customer behavior with respect to existing customers of some supplier would change very much.

You could make a case for increased competition and margins lowered from tax, etc.

I just don't see anyone who does something well that happens to be illegal, wanting it to stay illegal.

Porn distributors don't want their product banned and limited to only some markets....no producer nor distributors nor sellers of anything want any bans on the product they deliver. Just doesn't make any common sense nor holds true in no circumstance I know of.

However, if I accept that case why couldn't the case be made that through legalization their client base would increase. Thereby realizing greater profits?
 

vodkazvictim

Why save the world, when you can rule it?
This statement is probably very true. I have spoken to quite a few tobacco smokers whom state that they would switch if cannabis were legal because of these reasons. They also reaffirmed your other statement that it would help them quit. Eases withdrawal symptoms and whatnot.

Mate. I provided the reference. Read the book. It's there.
frankly, weed is no substitute for tobacco. I had to smoke one pure joint a day when I tried to substitute them. I soon realised I was kidding myself.
 
In most cases customers of any product find a good source for it and stick with their supplier. I don't believe customer behavior with respect to existing customers of some supplier would change very much.

You could make a case for increased competition and margins lowered from tax, etc.

I just don't see anyone who does something well that happens to be illegal, wanting it to stay illegal.

Porn distributors don't want their product banned and limited to only some markets....no producer nor distributors nor sellers of anything want any bans on the product they deliver. Just doesn't make any common sense nor holds true in no circumstance I know of.

However, if I accept that case why couldn't the case be made that through legalization their client base would increase. Thereby realizing greater profits?

Generally I understand your point. But I guess maybe I'm looking at it through a different lens.

Take for example the illegal market for oxycontin... street dealers are getting 10,000 pills at, say, $10/per or thereabouts. They turn around and sell them for $50/per on the street at a profit of $400,000. If oxycontin were made legal and available to the general public, the "street dealers" would see nowhere near that amount of profit by their sheer inability to compete with Purdue Phamra. I know that weed is somewhat different, (i.e. far less costly, able to be produced by nearly anyone, unlike oxy) but if the government legalizes and regulates their production and sale of weed, it would produce a similar result IMO. The profit loss might not be as significant as with the scenario I've laid out above, but only the largest and well funded drug dealers would have the capital and ability to make a serious run at competing with the potentially new, legal wholesalers. Joey from down the block that makes a few thousand dollars a month selling eighths and gram bags wouldn't stand a chance the way I see it.
 
Generally I understand your point. But I guess maybe I'm looking at it through a different lens.

Take for example the illegal market for oxycontin... street dealers are getting 10,000 pills at, say, $10/per or thereabouts. They turn around and sell them for $50/per on the street at a profit of $400,000. If oxycontin were made legal and available to the general public, the "street dealers" would see nowhere near that amount of profit by their sheer inability to compete with Purdue Phamra. I know that weed is somewhat different, (i.e. far less costly, able to be produced by nearly anyone, unlike oxy) but if the government legalizes and regulates their production and sale of weed, it would produce a similar result IMO. The profit loss might not be as significant as with the scenario I've laid out above, but only the largest and well funded drug dealers would have the capital and ability to make a serious run at competing with the potentially new, legal wholesalers. Joey from down the block that makes a few thousand dollars a month selling eighths and gram bags wouldn't stand a chance the way I see it.

Fair position and reasonable argument.

I just don't think these people have a lobby arguing their cause or anyone is making this case for keeping it illegal. Basically a rhyme without a reason.
 
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Victory is inevitable! Just look where the numbers have gone in the past six years.

(According to NORML, there's a generational gap between people born before 1960 and afterwards. Young people overwhelmingly support legalization and the baby boomers who generally oppose it are going the way of the dodo bird. "More important to the policy debate, however, may be the fraction of adults who have used marijuana at any point in their lifetimes. This is a dual-peaked distribution, with one peak occurring among adults who are roughly age 50 now, and would have come of age in the 1970s, and another among adults in their early 20s. Generation X, meanwhile, in spite of its reputation for slackertude, were somewhat less eager consumers of pot than the generations either immediately preceding or proceeding them.…polls have generally found a fairly strong generation gap when it comes to pot legalization. As members of the Silent Generation are replaced in the electorate by younger voters, who are more likely to have either smoked marijuana themselves or been around those that have, support for legalization is likely to continue to gain momentum.")

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Different :

Tobacco doesn't affect your senses, alcohol does it only if you get drunk, not if you just take one glass of wine. Somking marjiuana makes you high from the very first breath.

Alcohol is a depressant drug. It starts affecting you immediately once it is consumed. Here's a some info I found for you:

Blood Alcohol Content Effect on the Body
0.02 = Slight mood changes
0.04 = Motor skills significantly affected
0.06 = Lowered inhibition, impaired jugement, decreased rational decision-making abilities
0.08 = Legally drunk in most states/countries[/QUOTE]

So by looking at this information, it looks like it obviously affects people long before they are drunk.

Still don't believe me, check out this article I found:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2063-alcohol-impairs-driving-more-than-marijuana.html
 
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