but didnt clinton cut the defense buget a little to much. also when reagan got into office we were in a cold war, which he later ended.
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I knew that was coming lol.No I do not think the defense budget was cut to much but that would be one big very involved debate
.Plus I do not think you can say Reagan ended the cold war,more like it happened under his watch.If we are going to start giving entire credit or blame for things that happen during an administration then you would have to say 9/11 should be blamed on George W entirely and that nothing else was involved.The cold war was a very long process that many presidents participated in.dick van cock
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No, he didn't. The Cold War was the Reagan administration's raison d'etre.
It was Gorbachev who ended the Cold War. It was Gyula Nagy who teared down the first bit of the Iron Curtain. It were George HW Bush, Margaret Thatcher and Francois Mitterrand who (reluctantly) agreed to Germany's reunification.
Reagan tried to expand the Cold War by his support of the Contras, his stubborn clinging to SDI and the Double-Track Decision, his permanent stupid gaffes ("the bombing of Moscow will begin in five minutes")
There had been less confrontation (by far) under Nixon / Kissinger.
I can not totaly disagree with you on this. but as i state it was his administation which included george hw, along with the other world leaders.
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News just in :eek:
Attempting to Destroy CIA Tapes, Cheney Burns Down White House
Veep Apologizes for Accidental Inferno
The White House, one of the most historic structures in the nation’s capital, burnt to the ground today after Vice President Dick Cheney attempted to incinerate a cache of CIA interrogation tapes in his office.
According to White House aides, the blaze started shortly after twelve noon, minutes after Mr. Cheney slipped out of a cabinet meeting, saying that he had to “hit the head.”
But rather than using the bathroom as he had stated, the vice president instead went to his office and put a blowtorch to a pile of CIA interrogation tapes which the White House had feared might be subpoenaed in the near future.
“I started burning those things and boom, they went up like a rocket,” an apologetic Mr. Cheney later told reporters.
The accidental blaze quickly spread from the videotapes to a nearby stack of transcripts of phone conversations involving Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and singer Barbra Streisand that Mr. Cheney had obtained via a warantless wiretap.
“Once those transcripts caught on fire, I knew the building was a goner,” Mr. Cheney said. “There were literally thousands and thousands of pages of that stuff.”
Speaking in front of the charred remains of the historic building, administration spokesperson Dana Perino said that the White House might have been saved had it not been for an unfortunate bureaucratic mix-up: “Instead of calling the fire department, President Bush called FEMA.” :1orglaugh
Attempting to Destroy CIA Tapes, Cheney Burns Down White House
Veep Apologizes for Accidental Inferno
The White House, one of the most historic structures in the nation’s capital, burnt to the ground today after Vice President Dick Cheney attempted to incinerate a cache of CIA interrogation tapes in his office.
According to White House aides, the blaze started shortly after twelve noon, minutes after Mr. Cheney slipped out of a cabinet meeting, saying that he had to “hit the head.”
But rather than using the bathroom as he had stated, the vice president instead went to his office and put a blowtorch to a pile of CIA interrogation tapes which the White House had feared might be subpoenaed in the near future.
“I started burning those things and boom, they went up like a rocket,” an apologetic Mr. Cheney later told reporters.
The accidental blaze quickly spread from the videotapes to a nearby stack of transcripts of phone conversations involving Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and singer Barbra Streisand that Mr. Cheney had obtained via a warantless wiretap.
“Once those transcripts caught on fire, I knew the building was a goner,” Mr. Cheney said. “There were literally thousands and thousands of pages of that stuff.”
Speaking in front of the charred remains of the historic building, administration spokesperson Dana Perino said that the White House might have been saved had it not been for an unfortunate bureaucratic mix-up: “Instead of calling the fire department, President Bush called FEMA.” :1orglaugh
I knew that was coming lol.No I do not think the defense budget was cut to much but that would be one big very involved debate
The fall of the USSR was engineered by Reagan and Thatcher who knew that the Soviet economy couldn't stand the arms race.They just couldn't afford to counter initiatives like Star Wars and the cruise missiles.By the time Gorbachov was in power the USSR was a bust flush;Gorbachov accepted the reality and did what he had to do.
I knew that was coming lol.No I do not think the defense budget was cut to much but that would be one big very involved debate
I do agree with you that the ending cold war was not the responibility exclusively of the reagan admin. the cold war was the responsibility of many presidents nor can you say that the act of 911 was the responsibility of the bush administration. in fact the act just happened under bush's watch. if you remember a similar incident but less devastating happened in the 90's under the clinton admin.
the one thing that is the the sole responsibility of the g.w. bush administration is the war in iraq. i am also saying this war is now not related to the war in iraq started by g.h.w.bush because if it still was the war would have ended after the execution of saddam.
Let me suggest you get a copy of a film called "Why we fight" which lays out I think very well what the Iraq invasion was about as well as a lot of info on the military-industrial complex in the US..AFA who I think is no extreme left winger which you could fairly call me thinks it is very good also.Yes the film was sponsored by "Move On" but please don't let that deter you from giving it a view.
http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0436971/
That is why I mentioned it I thought you would be maybe willing to to give it a chance.And as this is a thread on Presidents I want to put up a small clip of Dwight David Eisenhowers farewell speech in 1960 as he was leaving the presidency in which he warned of the dangers of the power that might be grabbed by what he called the military-industrial complex.The Movie "Why we fight" opens with this.And Ike the leader of allied forces in europe in WW2 would be someone who would understand such things IMO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY
Brutally honest critique of the Bush Administration's most recent blunder:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/120807Z.shtml
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/120807Z.shtml
Keith Olbermann tells it like it is about Bush and the rest of his criminal allies all the time.Best newscaster out there I think.The sad thing is we are living through the worst prez at least in my lifetime(born under Ike) and the country just passively goes along and does not demand his removal.
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did nothing? you might want to reread history. under clinton's term terrorists were arrested at the canadian border with bomb material and lax blueprints. more than bush had now isnt it. do you still say he did nothing and he is the worst?
not to mention again, like i did, the economy of the states was much better than it has been ever since bush took office. get it right next time.
Economies, like all other systems, work in cycles. Clinton was lucky to get a free ride with excellent world economic conditions.Our own PM, ex Chancellor Gordon Brown somehow thinks our prosperity is his doing ; he was just lucky too.
One factor which has been missed is that good men don't always make good Presidents and bad men don't make bad ones.Don't confuse the character with the achievements.
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gee, the economy was bad during reagan, it was bad during bush, and again during bush. but not during clinton. :hatsoff:
I concur. I watch his show every night I can.
Bill Clinton spent more money on counter-terrorism than any other president in history. You might want to check your facts.
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