Wendy 4 / Wendy Combattente / Wendy Fiore
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Well Truth hurts and hard to swallow and it will be always harsh, Wendy knows it what is her fanbase is all about. And all those her so called supporters are just like in my office who kiss asses to remain favourite
Why do some men feel the need to trash talk a women when she doesn't do what the men want? It's just self-defeating. It's not like the belly aching is going to get her to change. Either appreciate what she shares or enjoy other woman.
Why do some men feel the need to come on forums, and praise women their never going to truly know, or be with. It's not like your praises about how good her tits look, are actually complimentary comments to who she is as a human being(start a conversation with a real women, by saying "your tits are most amazing tits I've ever seen," and see how well that goes), nor will it have any real impact on her life(her husband calling her beautiful, and loving her through thick and thin is praise, everything else is lust).
But I'll answer your question, and my own in three simple words. Wendy4 Discussion Thread.
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Huge difference between being positive and negative. Huge difference. But even more so, understanding that pushing a woman to do what she doesn't want to do, is self-defeating.
And yes, the reality is ... this does transition over into "real life." Other women see and listen. Imagine how many other women would see modelling and erotica different if it wasn't for all of the negativity, all of the lack of consent, all of the pushing to do what she does not want to do. If men just enjoyed women as they want to be, then how many other women would not have such an issue with modelling, or even pornography for that matter?
The biggest issue for women isn't some subjective view of morals or what they should and shouldn't do. The biggest issue for women has always been men who do not stop and recognize consent and her willingness, or not. It's really that simple, treat women how they want to be treated, approach women how they wish you to approach them. There is no absolute set of values, but there is the simple, Golden Rule that works well here, like anything else.
No its not. All women (and men) know exactly what they're getting their selves into when they enter the Adult / Softcore Modeling Industries.You are graded on looks and performance and if those standards cant be met (no matter how far they get with it) then its over.
Wendy seems less interested in her site these days. She frequently is late with posts, half asses chats, and charges too damn much for so little content of the same boring stuff. Life happens sure and one person can only do so much with a site like that but she is still in the public eye. She is graded on what fans want to see and many outside of the hardcore tit lovers have already left and dont even bother to pay and just get it normally from other underground sites.
Believe it or not, Wendy is actually a pretty smart person outside of common sense and a political IQ of a 6th grader. She knows what she is doing and will ultimately decide whether the site continues or eventually dies out.
Wendy seems less interested in her site these days. She frequently is late with posts, half asses chats, and charges too damn much for so little content of the same boring stuff. Life happens sure and one person can only do so much with a site like that but she is still in the public eye. She is graded on what fans want to see and many outside of the hardcore tit lovers have already left and dont even bother to pay and just get it normally from other underground sites.
Believe it or not, Wendy is actually a pretty smart person outside of common sense and a political IQ of a 6th grader. She knows what she is doing and will ultimately decide whether the site continues or eventually dies out.
She's likely tired of fighting the losing battle with piracy
Wrong. The biggest issue for women with this field, has, and always will be the actual showing of their bodies. The female body should always be something women keep for the men they love, and no one else(same goes for men). Does this always happen, of course not, but any women who does pin up, or porn, will always have to face themselves for what they do, because no one wants their daughter growing up to be pin up porn star aka jack off material for men of all ages. I wont try to fathom why she got into the business, and being a fan of porn, I try not to think about why any women gets into it(do I really want to know that the reason Im whacking off to her, is because she was rapped as a child, thus leading her to have such a low self esteem, that only by showing her tits to the world does she feel complete from the emptiness..no I don't). Wendy is most likely married, and her only interest in this business is money, and money means satisfied customers, and satisfied customers are customers who are attracted to her, and like her enough to spend money. So negative comments are not in her best interest, because negativity is not very lucrative.
But again...this is a forum meant for all kinds of comments and discussions. If I joined her site to tell her how boring she is, because she doesn't go nude, that would be redundant...this is the perfect place for negative comments, and their absolutely nothing wrong with it(obviously some people can go too far).
I actually agree with some of what you've said. It's often hard for me to fathom the reasons as to why a woman would choose to subject herself to the scrutiny that comes with modeling or doing porn. You are completely right when you say it's the way women showcase themselves in this field of work. At the same time, I think that positivity and negativity could have a somewhat small role to play in this. There's nothing wrong with suggesting or requesting that a women push the envelope a little in her line of work. With Wendy Fiore being an example, there are times when she has pushed herself (at least according to her) beyond what she initially thought she would do. There comes a point where asking someone to do something that they appear to be absolutely against becomes problematic (i.e badgering Wendy Fiore to show her nipples).
To expand on the point of positive or negative, I think it should be geared more towards constructive criticism. What I've seen often times on this thread and many other places is that whenever a model or porn star doesn't comply to the wishes of her audience, things can get nasty. The vitriol spewed at them is just ridiculous. These discussion boards should be used as a place to discuss both likes and dislikes in a more constructive fashion. Calling someone a bitch and a whore is not constructive. That goes for the many models that have been called that in this thread and in others. It seems like people just try to shame models into doing what they want. When all is said and done, I think that there should be just some basic level of respect for the women in these industries as human beings, even if you don't respect what they do for a living.
I'll also agree with you on this point. For whatever reason, Wendy Fiore doesn't seem like she cares about the site so much. It's understandable (like you already stated) that life can often times interfere with work. All too often lately, she "forgets" to update the site. This has been going on for some time now too. She can only be so forgetful for so long though. At some point she should figure out a way to get her updates to the site in a more timely fashion. Forgetting as often as she does doesn't look like a good sign at all. I hope that pinupglam01 could relay that message to her (if he does work with Wendy Fiore and her website).
I now wonder if you read anything I actually said.
Looks and performance is one thing. I don't disagree that is an inhibitor. And that is just with modelling and pornography.
But complaints about a woman not doing what men want her to do is an inhibitor that is universal. We get quite a bit of that in this thread over and over (among others that only do softcore, don't do anal, etc...). It affects all women, and its self-defeating for us men.
That's different. That's complaining about lack of content, not what type of content.
Please read what I said, not what you think I said. I'll repost ...
And I'll re-quote phrases ...
Note the word "see" (and "listen") ...
'... this does transition over into "real life." Other women see and listen.'
'... Imagine how many other women would see modelling and erotica different if it wasn't for all of the negativity, all of the lack of consent, all of the pushing to do what she does not want to do ...'
And that sets up the key statement final paragraph ...
'The biggest issue for women has always been men who do not stop and recognize consent and her willingness, or not.'
Did I say modelling or porn alone? No! In fact, I said 'into "real life"' in the paragraph before it. I didn't change the message, people just read it differently. But the problem in modelling and pornography is the same problem in real life. Men pushing women to do what they don't want to or don't feel comfortable with.
If you re-read my post, you will see I was talking all women. Some people saw my point and I got rep. But others want to not read and see what I said, and then apply absolute values, religion, left or right-views, etc..., instead of just reading my points, as they exist.
Says who? This is that "absolute morality/values" view that not everyone agrees with. People differ on those. But people don't differ in the fact they don't want to do what they don't want to do. They want people to respect what they do or don't want to do with their body. That's pretty much universally agreed upon, unlike morality and values.
Why must so many of my posts always come down to an "absolute" viewpoint that people disagree about? Why can't people stick with the points I make that are pretty universally agreed upon?
Some parents, husbands, boyfriends, etc... are supportive, especially in some cultures more than others. I'm sure it's not a lot of parents, and especially not in the US, because of the stigma and issues with employment. But models and even pornstars are married, including pornstars who are with other men too.
Yet more absolute viewpoints. Not every model or pornstar is a victim of child abuse.
Comments can be made without dropping to the "you will do what I pay you to do, bitch!" even if that means more than she said she'd ever do. There are positive ways as a consumer to make your issues known, with the understanding of what you originally paid for, and not expecting more.
Again, this does transition over to "real life." Other women see and listen. They recognize the problem ... as you pointed out with parents ... is not what she does, but how people treat her. But in reality, modelling and pornography are really little different than real life. Women want men to practice the Golden Rule. But for some reason, some men think being a consumer (let alone leechers) entitle them to treat a woman how they want, without question. No, it doesn't work that way.
And I never understood how being a consumer of a social site or service changes for men when it involves a woman using her beauty and body. Does it say something about who she is? Or does it say far more about who we men are that have expectations of her doing things she does not want to do?
Again, transitions over to "real life." Other women see and listen.
Nothing I said had anything to do with my personal value...hopefully you'll see that in my post below
My opinion is not based on right or wrong, it's based on the best possible option for anyone who wants to raise a healthy family, and live a healthy life. This idea that we can just be care free human beings, with no responsibility, is for children. The reality is that it would be in the best interest of anyone who wants to have children, to not be a porn star or pin up model aka modeling your tits. Imagine trying to explain to 13 year old girl, about respecting her body, only for her to go to school and here how about all the boys whacking off to pictures of the mother. I wouldn't want to know my mother shows her tits in pasties and brawls to the world to masterbate too, and that would effect the way I see her, and the way I view women. That's not debatable, that's not a view point, that's reality. Just like if my mother was drunk, and I had to see her drunk every night, that would effect me. Porn stars have it worst, because without question, the constant exposure to sex, is taxing and dangerous to the body. But you know what is safe, and healthy? Having sex with a person that loves you beyond physical attraction. Our bodies are sacred, because we each only get one, and we all have to make sure we take the greatest care of our bodies. Now does her lifestyle make her a bad person or parent, no. But it will be something her, her husband, and children have to live with, and her actions will have some sort of effect on her children, whether they ever acknowledge it. I cant imagine playing football, with a mom that the whole team goes home and whacks it too...that sounds brutal.
When people disagree with you, they are wrong, and confused, and incapable of understanding and comprehending your points, so much so that they can't even provide a valid counter argument without mixing their own personal bias emotions into it.....you sound like an ego centric person. Get real, your ideas are based off your own personal opinions, and clearly if people are disagreeing with you, their not universally correct.
Yes some husbands, manage their wife in the porn business, and some even buy their wives drugs to get high, and some husbands even watched their wives beat on their own children...see the flaw in your thinking? You can't base right and wrong off what some people do, or don't do. Healthy is smart, and Unhealthy is unwise. I love my wife, but I support her being a sex toy for hundreds of men, so other men can lust over....hmm and you really can't see that someone would have to have a hole in their heart for that. Loving someone is about wanting the absolute best for your wife or husband, and if you think the best for that person is parading their tits off to men of all ages, your seriously mistaken. And if you think a women, deep down, feels proud of her self for showing her tits to the world, your also sadly mistaken. I don't care how much they convince themselves that their happy, spiritually their lacking. The female species, in all animals, is design to make the male specie work for her(two lions in the Savannah, or two wolves, or two birds), and it's design that way for natural selection to take place. Human beings, being a more intelligent specie, need more then just the strongest male, so women require different things, but no little girl plans on growing to expose her body to men for money....and that's a universal truth. Just like no little boy dreams of being a drug attic. Her desire to not go nude, is most likely a business one, and a personal one, but I promise part of her wants to keep that last bit of innocence to herself, because like I said, showing her boobs for money was probably never first choice as a child, because deep deep down...it feels wrong....because it's against her female design to WANT to give her body to men for money.
I gave an example. But I bet you will find a very very small percentage of these women came from HEALTHY loving homes. Note that I said healthy, which can't be meassured in the size of the house, or income of the family. If two parents, who love their children, and teach them self health, and respect, will find that their daughters have too much respect for themselves to expose what they should be giving to someone they, and whom loves them, to the world. Because if my wife told me that for five years, she was a top internet model, who showed all goods for money...I would feel robbed of knowing this women is for me, because I was special enough in her eyes to have her. A prize is less special, if everyone wins it.
Yes your right, no one should be bashed, and talk about like crap. But she is the entertainment business, and people feel robbed when they pay a fee for entertainment they dont get. Is it right...NO. But it happens. Look at what musicians go through when their albums flop.
I don't know what your talking about, nor do I know any people like that. Like I said, her business is her tits, since the image of her tits is what people pay for, their for the consumer does have a right to voice his or her opinions. I doubt the stupid comments are something that keeps her up at night. I think her fans get more butt hurt then she does, and I doubt she even comes on forums like this one often. Her fans are the ones who take up arms, and deal with it, while she lives her life as she see fit no matter what. Which was my point...why come on a forum and call her all kinda names, and why come on forums and talk like she is the reason the sun came up...it literally doesn't change a thing. Lust is not flattery, nor is hate productive.
Consumers are meant to expect...expecting is lucrative for her. If she chooses not to do something, it's simply a business move by her part, and she will have to live with the consequences good or bad.
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How is being a model, nude or non-nude, lacking in "responsibility?" That right there is a value judgement that is subjective. It's one of the things I see all too often, and very much dislike, in American society. I know the US is not alone, but the sexual immaturity of my homeland is one of the things I am not proud of. And this smacks of it ... hard.
There are a lot of things that happen in private that are far, far worse than even what pornstars allegedly do. Being honest, open, forward and considerate is everything that is right in the world, regardless of what someone's occupation or other consideration may be.
How often do we teach young adults "don't have sex before marriage," but don't explain some of the reasons why? Instead of getting them to "work out problems" instead of "just having sex," we tell them "not to have sex before marriage." That's just as wrong. How many times do people marry for the wrong reasons and still never learn to work out their issues, using sex as an excuse, now that they are married?
It would be in the best interest of everyone to stop judging others. But that is probably the #1 driver in American media and society these days, to judge others to make ourselves feel better about ourselves. We gossip what is public and what we can see, to excuse what we do in private.
13 year old women already get bombarded with advertising for products, images of "perfect" and other non-sense to the point of anorexia, bulimia and all sorts of other bullshit. In fact, the American repression of sex is its main culprit ... the endless gossip and childish flirtations with sexual innuendo to a harmful effect
As I always had to point out to people in 1998 who said, "My son/daughter found out about oral sex because of Bill Clinton," I would merely respond, 'No, your son/daughter found out about oral sex because immature, American adults love to gossip, and the US media is focused on ratings."
The main problem with modelling, pornography, etc... is not the actual career choice, but the judgements, stigmas and gossip that comes with it. Kids are going to have all sorts of sexual issues on their own. They aren't increased by having a person who is a model around them, or decreased by blind, stupid belief they don't exist if they are not immediate.
That same, subjective argument is used against gay couples who are raising children. And to that I say ... "Thank God at least a household of two, loving guardians are at least raising a kid together." We do enough in the US to promote single parent households and other non-sense, yet we focus on the very, very small, select set of "issues" as the only ones that are the "real problems." H
Kids get teased for all sorts of things. It's part of being a child. But here's the reality ...
It's the immaturity of the parents, the adults who want their sexual gossip and judgement, that are the core, original problem. Without it, without that immaturity, without that ability to contain themselves, to keep their discussions to privacy and the bedroom, that results in the immature kids who tease. And you don't need to have a relative or close one for it to happen. You're looking at the problem all wrong.
Yes it is. And it's very subjective. The only thing that is objective is the Golden Rule.
Inebriation is wholly different. That is a true irresponsibility. It's an addiction.
Don't confuse modelling and even pornography with sexual addiction. Sexual addition is completely different. Can models and pornstars be sex addicts? Sure. Drug addicts? Sure. They are serious problems. But are models and pornstar sex or drug addicts by default? No.
If a parent has a sexual addition issue, one that causes them to miss appointments, ignore their family, etc... that's a serious issue. But you don't have to be a model or pornstar to be one. Far from it!
But as with all "judgements," whether it be creed, orientation or occupation, people like yourself will be there to immediately say, "this is a problem," instead of stopping to differentiate between addictions and occupations.
So is consensual -- let alone non-consensual -- sex, and a real problem in many societies. And there lies my greater point which you missed. There are constant issues with children, let alone adults, that smacks of irresponsibility far worse than being a model, and even a pornstar. Lack of consent, not teaching our young men to stop at the limits a woman has placed, etc... You see that in this thread, among others, over and over. I would rather we teach our young men to recognize that, than "no sex before marriage" and other non-sense.
And not every pornstar is shooting constantly, or with multiple men over a month. There is a good amount of erotica, especially in the new digital media, of even monogamous partners. But that's another story.
I practice monogamy. I prefer monogamy. And guess what? What's wrong with erotica between monogamous partners? There are many now. Several of them are my favorites too. You're ignoring that. You're using a blanket statement too.
But there are a lot of non-pornstars, let alone non-models, who have promiscuous sex. Here in the US, since the '90s, it's been around 20% for men and women alike. It's been even for a generation now, as the earning potential of women matched men after the laws of the '70s through early '90s. One out of five men and women have regular, promiscuous sex, and not in a STD regulated industry like pornography either.
As has been proven over and over throughout time, even "taboo" industries and practices are better legalized and regulated than outlawed and uncontrolled.
Why? Again, that's judgement at work. It's immaturity. It's obsession, by others.
Those who choose to be couples of the same sex, for whatever reason, get the same load of bullshit too. Has nothing to do with the bedroom. It has to do with caring with another individual. Ironically it's the long-term, monogamous partners who get the most shit from people. Not the promiscuous, "flamboyant gays," but loving, caring, role-model adults who are responsible, who live together for their lives, but happen to be gay. Just how "fair" is that?
It's that level of bullshit judgement, not because of what you don't see, but because of what people are, as their life, their commitment ... whether it's an occupation, or a life-long, monogamous relationship to be admired ... instead of the "private slut" or the "promiscuous gay" that people associate with the open, responsible sex worker or monogamous same sex couple. So I'm not going to say such judgement is even "wrong," it's just absolutely the wrong place to even place it!
I only asked people stop to understand my points. I made my original point without quoting anyone.
But instead of stopping to understand my call not to judge others, you provided perfect examples of why judgement is alive and well in many places, especially here in the US.
And there we go again ... the direct associations. Drugs are a huge problem in all sorts of lifestyles and occupations. But you went ahead and made that one.
So being a pornstar is the same as a drug addict or child abuser? Seriously?
I was thinking the same thing. But unlike yourself, I don't judge. Unless someone is violating the consent, even physical rights, of someone else, I do not judge them. That's the difference in my views.
You associate lust with many other things. That's the difference.
If we taught men to lust, but not to lust to the point of ignoring consent and pushing women into what they don't want to do, history would be a lot less violent. Possession, obsession, coveting things ... it doesn't matter what spiritual or sociological viewpoint one takes, there are equal warnings against what that sows as well.
Women enjoy their bodies. How they choose to do so should not be with the caveat, "You are now a slut, and all men can pressure you (or even for you) to do what you do not want to do." That's what I'm saying. You keep missing that point.
In your definition, because a woman is a model -- ignoring even pornstars for a moment -- she is going to be violated, and she should know better, and her husband should know
People have private thoughts. They will have private thoughts regardless of whether they are a model or not. Celebrities deal with this more than anyone, and many are as far away from models as one can get too. It's hardly limited to modelling. And that's a problem with society, not occupation.
That's funny ... because in both spiritual and sociological aspects, "lacking" often takes a different direction. It's not defined by what someone does to allegedly cause another to violate them. It's based on what others do and do not obtain the consent of someone.
This is actually very false statement. But I'm not going to tangent on that.
And yet ... that happens in so many ways, as an occupation other than model or pornstar, and that's a problem with society, not the woman. Society needs to change, not the women, or their occupations.
Lust is a built-in, programmed response. The focus is not on what a woman should or shouldn't do. The focus is on how people act, and control themselves.
Gossip is one of the biggest, spiritual and sociological issues in the US. It drives so much of our media and hurtful judgement. It loses focus at such a level, that the gossip itself is ignored, and the target of the gossip focused upon. Ironically, even religious texts warn of the dangers of gossip and judgement being far worse than any sin. And yet, people will use even religion to instigate some of the most hurtful. Gossip and judgement is the problem in the first place, whether we're talking religious, spiritual or sociological.
Children should be taught how to treat others, and why hurtful gossip has no place in any aspect of life. The fact that people use celebrities, models, reality TV stars and pornstars as their biggest excuses is just a focus, and it goes well beyond.
My wife is special because of my relationship with her and how she treats others. It has jack to do with her sexual history. Honestly, openness, caring, these are what matter.
My wife is not a prize. I did not win her. I do not think more or less of her if I was her first or not her first. She is my best friend.
Yes, which is why judgement is constant, and it doesn't matter what business one is in. There are enough children who are judged for the results of their parent's occupations, many completely undeserved.
I still cannot believe how many people associate modelling or even pornography, an industry of consent and choice, with addiction, drugs, violation, etc... where is about lack of self-control as well as even violence and crime.
Violence just uses sex as an excuse. Lack of consent has nothing to do with pornography or modelling for that matter. Those are issues that are completely separate, and people just use as an excuse between. The problem is the violence and violation, not the excuse.
My wife would say lust is flattery, as long as it does not cross the line of not respecting consent. Consent is the key detail. Consent is absolute.
But it should not cross the lines like any other good. Men dropping to levels that show clear disregard of well being and consent of a woman says far more negative about the man, to other women. That's why I keep harping on the "self defeating" nature of what I see men doing here.
Being a consumer doesn't mean you have the right to treat a provider like they are less than human. Every man who says a female model or pornstar is different than any other occupation or provider and worthy of going beyond their consent and pushing them beyond what they want to do is basically using the relationship to sex to excuse their desires to violate the Golden Rule. The Golden Rule is the most objective, universally agreed upon viewpoint of mankind, and for some reason, being a model or pornstar means men have an excuse to ignore it.
It's one thing to complain about lack of content and interaction. It's a completely other thing to push a model or pornstar to do what she does not want to do. It's self-defeating for men, because all women notice. It uses erotica and turns it into the outcast of pornography, where lack of consent and even violence are excused. Judgement to treat another human is if their views of their own bodies and presence do not matter. That's the point I was making, and you keep ignoring with subjective judgement.
If you don't see my points by now, you never will. I'm asking people not to judge. Don't use what someone does for a living as an excuse to push them. Don't add to the bullshit of society that already exists. It's self-defeating for us men. It's why women have to worry, because we have the entire history of mankind showing lack of respecting consent and disregarding their views, just because of what they allegedly do "wrong."
Do you mean "wrong" as far as "dollar value" for her subscribers? That's one thing.
Or do you mean "wrong" as in her chosen profession and provider aspect overall? That's completely another thing.
Although I think I have my answer here ...
So we men are blaming Wendy for choosing her profession and providing her services to us? We're judging her? Yet we're enjoying it?
I'm kinda confused here, because this smacks of a lot of male dominated, human history, and that's not a good thing.
I guess my points are completely lost on some here.
But go forth and call Wendy "wrong" for what she does.
Although why stop at Wendy?
What about all of the OCSMs here?
What about the concept and institution of FreeOnes itself?
Are we going to blame others for what we do, judge others to excuse what we do?
I don't know about you guys, but my lust and my decisions are my own.
But I don't let them led to unhealthy disregards, and I do not let them control my life.
Much less blame women for my own lust.
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