Want to hold public office in N.C.? Atheists need not apply

[Ace Boobtoucher]

This is bullshit. The Supreme Court ruled in 1902 (1912?) that the U.S. is a Christian country. Okay, that may be a little off, but we are a country founded on and still ruled by Christian ideals.

Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of The Redeemer of mankind. It's impossible that it should be otherwise; and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian... This is a religious people. This is historically true. From the discovery of this continent to the present hour, there is a single voice making this affirmation... we find everywhere a clear recognition of the same truth... These, and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian nation. Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States, The United States Supreme Court, 143 U.S. 457, 12 S.Ct. 511, 36 L.Ed. 226 (1892)

The morality of the country is deeply engrafted upon Christianity, and not upon the doctrines or worship of other religions. In people whose manners are refined, and whose morals have been elevated and inspired with a more enlarged benevolence, it is by means of the Christian religion. People v. Ruggles 8 Johns. R. 290 N.Y. 1811

No free government now exists in the world, unless where Christianity is acknowledged, and is the religion of the country. Christianity is part of the common law. Its foundations are broad and strong and deep. It is the purest system of morality and only stable support of all human laws. Updegraph v. Commonwealth, 11 Serg. & Rawle 394 Pa. 1824

Since 1962, the Supreme Court has consistently ruled that in "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion," the Founding Fathers intended that no act of government (including public schools) should favor any one religion over others. That's hard to do, because once you mention God, Jesus, or anything even remotely "Biblical," you have pushed the constitutional envelope by "favoring" one practice of religion over all others.

It may very well be that the only way to not favor one religion over others, is to not favor any religion at all -- a path now being chosen by many public schools.

There is no constitutional provision separating government and religion. It stems from Thomas Jefferson's private writings (that asshole). The very idea would have been repugnant to most of the founding fathers. In fact, the First Amendment does just the opposite -- it protects religious expression from government and the establishment of an official religion by government.

 

[titsrock]

We can solve this problem, and many others, by tearing up all constitutions and starting over. These documents are becoming embarrassingly outdated anyway.

It's what the Founding Fathers would've done if they were around today.

 

[calpoon]

Honestly, I doubt that the founding father's cared at all or even considered America 200 years in the future. The laws that they drew up seemed like a good idea at the time, and that's all that mattered. I really hope that we weren't founded by such egomaniacs that thought the things they did would and should effect all eternity.

 

[Dexter Brown]

This is bullshit. The Supreme Court ruled in 1902 (1912?) that the U.S. is a Christian country. Okay, that may be a little off, but we are a country founded on and still ruled by Christian ideals.

Things change as people change, the state of the people in the 1800 and 1900 were much more Christian than the 1700's and today.

Did you know: Only 7% of the people in the 13 colonies belonged to a church when the Declaration of Independence was signed.

 

[Will E Worm]

Atheists need not apply

It's what the Founding Fathers would've done if they were around today.

The Constitution and Bill of Rights are fine the way they are and anyone who says otherwise is guilty of treason.


:thumbsup:

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[E-Ann-Hilden]

We can solve this problem, and many others, by tearing up all constitutions and starting over. These documents are becoming embarrassingly outdated anyway.

It's what the Founding Fathers would've done if they were around today.

That is why many think it is a "living document" able to change and be interepreted over time.

 

[Dexter Brown]

That is why many think it is a "living document" able to change and be interepreted over time.

This is why we have Article V, if they thought it was perfect or unchangeable we wouldn't even have the Bill of Rights.

 

[No_Man]

I do not agree with the NC Constitution in this instance. But let me clarify, for something to be deemed unconstitutional and deemed as such, it has to be decided in the courts. This one will end up in the SCOTUS and the NC Constitution will be found in violation of the US Constitution.

Completely agree, with my only addition being that I doubt SCOTUS would even hear the case. It's so cut and dry, they'll barely even have an appeal argument for the 4th Circuit. SCOTUS will laugh in their face. This could be the fastest judicial review in history.

 

[Will E Worm]

This is why we have Article V, if they thought it was perfect or unchangeable we wouldn't even have the Bill of Rights.

Without the Bill of Rights the Constitution would not have been ratified.

1791: The Bill of Rights: the Constitution might never have been ratified without a promise to add safeguards of fundamental, rights. Article

At the time, a lot of people thought the Constitution was woefully incomplete.

It lacked, detractors claimed during the ratification debates in 1787 and 1788, protections for fundamental rights like free speech, religious liberty, jury trials, and due process. It lacked, in other words Adv. 1. in other words - otherwise stated; "in other words, we are broke"
put differently , what we now know of as the Bill of Rights, the first 10 Amendments to the Constitution.

They weren't truly amendments. They were needed to ratify the Constitution and protect our fundamental rights.

:hatsoff:

 

[funnyguy85]

Stupid Atheists

 

[Dexter Brown]

Without the Bill of Rights the Constitution would not have been ratified.

I think you mean possibly not ratified. It was definitely ratified without the Bill of Rights, it was Ratified in 1788, the Bill of Rights were proposed in 1789 and ratified in 1791.

1791: The Bill of Rights: the Constitution might never have been ratified without a promise to add safeguards of fundamental, rights.

lol. political "promises". Isn't that what gets us in trouble every election?

 

[Will E Worm]

I think you mean possibly not ratified. It was definitely ratified without the Bill of Rights, it was Ratified in 1788, the Bill of Rights were proposed in 1789 and ratified in 1791.p

Nope, not ratified.

lol. political "promises". Isn't that what gets us in trouble every election?

That's not what they were saying there. Get your facts straight.

 

[Dexter Brown]

Nope, not ratified.

Must be a time travel thing, because IT WAS ratified before the Bill of Rights was even written, and years before it was ratified.

 

[No_Man]

I think you mean possibly not ratified. It was definitely ratified without the Bill of Rights, it was Ratified in 1788, the Bill of Rights were proposed in 1789 and ratified in 1791.

You're technically correct with the strictest definition of "proposed". However, the Bill of Rights were heavily discussed during the Constitutional convention, with many delegates refusing to vote for a Constitution that did not include them. Eventually they were placated by the promise that the Bill of Rights would be the first order of business once the Constitution itself was ratified. Had the government not followed through on its promise to propose the Bill of Rights immediately, we probably would have descended into civil war within a few years, at most.

 

[anomaly]

If you want to hold a public office anywhere in this country you have to at least pretend you're a Christian.:yinyang:

 

[darkwarrior3007]

Who cares? Doesn't everyone know that the United States is a Scientology country.

 

[Will E Worm]

If you want to hold a public office anywhere in this country you have to at least pretend you're a Christian.:yinyang:

Like Obama and his Muslim...he means Christian faith.

The Bush family, Clinton, and Reagan. All liars.

Who cares? Doesn't everyone know that the United States is a Scientology country.

Even Germany calls them a cult.

 

[lurkingdirk]

 

[CunningStunts]

Post of the day :thumbsup:

 

[titsrock]

That is why many think it is a "living document" able to change and be interepreted over time.

:thumbsup: We shouldn't be afraid to "be modern" and with Globalization, we are being forced into a single country--America (for cost efficiencies and profits sake)...

Must be a time travel thing, because IT WAS ratified before the Bill of Rights was even written, and years before it was ratified.

WillE only understands facts when they are couched within some sort of christian scriptural baloney.

Perhaps he would get you if you rephrased: According to Fruitcakius 4:20 "And the Lord came into the Continental Congress and declared, 'Where is the Bill of Rights, my disciples? Now that we have this thing you call a Constitution, with a government very similar to England's, give my people a Bill of Rights...'"