Vegans

which part of that didn't make sense to you?
 
which part of that didn't make sense to you?

If you don't eat meat, but you don't care about animal suffering either, then you aren't a vegan, you're just a picky eater.

so-called vegetarians are idiots because they don't care about animal suffering and they also eat things that aren't vegetables.

Vegetarians don't care about animal suffering? I'm not trying to antagonize you here, but isn't that painting a broad stroke? I agree that some do it for heath reasons, and don't use the "animal" reasoning for their choice. The things that they do eat are "supposed" to not contain animal products. That is the qualifier when they choose something to consume. It doesn't have to made of vegetables, but you would think that they would try and eat things that are more towards the side of natural.
 

ChefChiTown

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So according to you chef, people should be extreme fanatics about their beliefs even if it means abandoning all of their possessions, their homes, their friends and family and putting their own safety and life at risk, as well as everyone else's, so that they have no compromises or contradictions, or else they should not have any convictions about them at all.

Nice to know that you are the world's first perfect person that has never committed any hypocrisy and thus are qualified to condemn everyone else.

Everybody is a hypocrite; the extent to which they take their hypocrisy is the only thing that differs.

Do people have different reasons for becoming vegan? Yes. Some do it out of love for animals, some do it for dietary purposes, some just follow the fad. But, no matter what their reasoning is, most of them don't follow through with their so-called beliefs or reasons as to why they eat vegan. They just do what they're comfortable with; not necessarily what they believe in. And, that is one of the biggest issues I have with people who eat vegan (and people who choose to live their lives in other means).

People completely ignore the reality of the situation when they choose to live their lives as vegans. Like I said, everybody has their own reasons as to why they choose to live such a life, but most of them are completely blind to what really goes on in the world.

People who eat vegan and don't wear leather or other clothing made from animals because they don't condone the harming of animals don't realize that there are factories that make all of this "animal friendly" shit; factories that were built on land that was once inhabited by animals. People don't realize that there are animal products in thousands upon thousands of regularly used, everyday items, many of which they use themselves. The houses they live in, the cars they drive, the TV they watch, the clothes on their back, the food that they eat...it all harms animals.

So, if people claim that they are vegan out of the respect for animals, then why don't they actually follow through with their beliefs and convictions instead of just doing it as long as it's convenient for them to be doing it?

And Just to name one group of people, they are called Jainists. There are ten million of them, and while not all of them are vegan (some use dairy), they all follow the criteria that I mentioned before.

Jainism is an ancient Indian religion which is practiced mostly over in India. Their whole philosophy on life is that every living thing has a soul, which is why they try to live their lives in peace, without bringing harm to anything that is around them. They even go to the lengths of not eating root vegetables, because they feel as though they would be "killing" it by pulling it out of the ground. Yet, they build temples and destroy the land around them, killing plant life and destroying a natural habitat for animals and insects in the process? :dunno:

"What? You want me to pull that potato out of the ground and eat it? No way! That would mean I would have to kill it and I refuse to kill a living thing, as it has a soul."

"Oh, you want me to construct an elaborately large temple over there, where the animals graze on the grass, just so we can pray inside of it? Yeah, of course I'll do that!"


Maybe vegans aren't perfect people, but they actually try to live their lives according to their beliefs of refraining from harm and respecting life, as opposed to the majority of people on here that don't give a shit.

I don't see how people have any grounds to criticize them for not doing better to care for animals when they don't do a goddamn thing themselves. I'd like to see you do better.

To be fair, nobody is a perfect person. Not me, not you, not meateaters, not vegans; nobody is perfect. We all have our flaws, no matter how big or how small.

And, I've never killed an animal in my life. The meat that I eat? It's already dead when I buy it. The house I live in? It was already built when I moved in here. The clothes I wear? They were already made before I bought them. I'm not harming animals anymore than vegans are. Whether I use these products or not, they're already being made and animals are already being killed because of it. So, exactly what kind of better care for animals would you like me to be demonstrating?
 
From what I understand the whole point of veganism is having the knowledge that simply by existing in the world and in a society that causes animal suffering you contribute to it, as chef has pointed out... so the goal is not to eliminate all involvement in such a system, which would be impossible, but to do things that are in your immediate capabilities to minimize that harm. That means not using items made from animal products when it is not necessary to do so. For most people that means the food they eat and the clothing and personal items that they use. For other people it means their cars, their homes and any other products of industrial society.

It just seems to be very cynical to criticize people for doing what they feel is trying to be better and less harmful to the world. I think it comes from insecurity that people are challenging the right that you think you have to exploit others.

The same self justifications were used to "prove" why slavery was necessary, natural and ethical.

The natural/ religious View: These people (or animals) were made to serve me.

The scientific view: These people (or animals) have less intelligence and are less socially developed then me, so I am helping them by putting them to use.

The economic view: Everything in society is made from slave labor (or animal products), and our system couldn't function without it.

The logical view: If I wasn't doing it, then someone else would.

and for the truly corrupt, the Hedonistic/sociopathic view: I like using this person (or animals), so I don't care how they feel about it.
 
Hilter was not drug free. Many historians think that Hitler was addicted to amphetamines and various other pharmaceuticals.

Even if you are skeptical of that, there is zero proof that he claimed to be against drug use.

As for Hitler being a vegetarian, there is no record of him promoting it as a lifestyle or having an philosophical reasoning. Hitler did in fact eat meat on occasion and used other animal products, it would just seem that he preferred to eat vegetables.

Also Ghangis Khan, Joseph Stalin, Benito Mussolini, Jim Jones,David Duke, Charles Manson, Osama Bin Ladin, and of course Jeff Dhamer ate meat, so what's your point?
 

roronoa3000

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Hilter was not drug free. Many historians think that Hitler was addicted to amphetamines and various other pharmaceuticals.

Even if you are skeptical of that, there is zero proof that he claimed to be against drug use.

As for Hitler being a vegetarian, there is no record of him promoting it as a lifestyle or having an philosophical reasoning. Hitler did in fact eat meat on occasion and used other animal products, it would just seem that he preferred to eat vegetables.

Also Ghangis Khan, Joseph Stalin, Benito Mussolini, Jim Jones,David Duke, Charles Manson, Osama Bin Ladin, and of course Jeff Dhamer ate meat, so what's your point?

You did a lot of research to reply to my joke.
 
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