The Hipocracy Of This Site's Many Members
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Well of course you don't think it's cruel, it's what gets you off. Unfortunately most people would describe wanting to see women be abused as a cruel desire. Including myself. And in saying that, I am not being hypocritical as I am turned off and don't like to watch women being abused. I only like porn where women are not abused. I like to watch women enjoying themselves, even if it is only acting a lot of the time. You like to watch "whores" being punished.
I wonder what would happen if your girlfriend cheated on you. Would you consider her a "whore" and start abusing her?
Those are words of wisedom to say the least, and I cannot praise you enough for managing to put them to paper so accurately and concisely (if it was me trying to say that - I'll blabber on for at least some 200 words - I can never do summarising, especially as good as this).
All that remains is to ask if if it's OK to use that as my new sig - it's relevance and truth make it worthy of that, and I'd really appreciate it. Thanks bro.
Oh good, you're getting yourself banned? I'm really going to miss you.
(who is this guy?)
Mr. Daystar
In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
Yeah, no shit! I was thinking as I typed my first response in this thread, I wonder if I'll get it done, before she gets a lock thrown on her.
I'm kind of surprised by what's going on here, in particular the attitudes of certain members. In this forum we have threads about urination, hairy women, fat women, old women, women with penises, women whose face we'd like to ejaculate on, women eating semen out of other women's vaginas...the list goes on. We also have numerous threads about sexual fantasies, almost all of which are full of statements along the lines of "It's ok to fantasize about anything you like, as long as you don't actually carry out the bad stuff..."
Why are people coming down on fans of "degradation" porn in this forum? It's well documented that among the most common female fantasies are rape, domination and degradation(http://www.askmen.com/love/vanessa/27_love_secrets.html). Why is it so bad for a man to have fantasies about the same? This is not the kind of porn I'm into, personally I only like porn when the girl is obviously enjoying herself, but who am I to tell anybody that they shouldn't enjoy it? Just as the masses of women who fantasize about being raped don't actually want to experience it, I'm sure that 99% of the men who enjoy these kinds of porn don't actually want to go out and rape a girl. I'm sure there are plenty of people who watch scat that don't really shit on each other. Isn't that kind of the whole point of porn???
There's a whole metric shitload of content right here in these forums that does not interest me and might even make me a little queasy, but I would never deny anybody else the right to enjoy it if that's what they want.
Why are people coming down on fans of "degradation" porn in this forum? It's well documented that among the most common female fantasies are rape, domination and degradation(http://www.askmen.com/love/vanessa/27_love_secrets.html). Why is it so bad for a man to have fantasies about the same? This is not the kind of porn I'm into, personally I only like porn when the girl is obviously enjoying herself, but who am I to tell anybody that they shouldn't enjoy it? Just as the masses of women who fantasize about being raped don't actually want to experience it, I'm sure that 99% of the men who enjoy these kinds of porn don't actually want to go out and rape a girl. I'm sure there are plenty of people who watch scat that don't really shit on each other. Isn't that kind of the whole point of porn???
There's a whole metric shitload of content right here in these forums that does not interest me and might even make me a little queasy, but I would never deny anybody else the right to enjoy it if that's what they want.
Not sure I follow you exactly. If you think all porn is degrading (to varying extents) and having sex is porn... do you think simply having sex is degrading? Why?
I see where you are coming from regarding facial cumshots. If not degrading there is certainly a power dynamic going on. If it's consensual though I don't see a problem with it.
In my experience some women not only don't mind being held down, manhandled, and used as a canvas where a man can cum where ever he wants, they prefer it. Some request facials or bondage. Not paid pornstars, regular women. Many would in fact love it if I used your exact phrase and told them that they are "desirable objects" or "toys" that I want to "control and use at will." Do you consider these women who don't deserve respect?
I'm curious what you think... these are not rhetorical questions:
Should we not oblige them for fear of being considered cruel?
Do you think there is something mentally wrong with such a woman?
Couldn't women's desire to be dominated instead be something more "normal"? (such as the result of thousands of years of sexual selective pressure for instance)
I respect your right to be turned off by whatever turns you off, there's no controlling that.
and I agree there is a line that shouldn't be crossed. I just don't think that having sex and facials is it.
I don't want to speak for the OP because I'm not sure what type of things he is into or why. He will be able to make that clear I'm sure.
Oddly enough, for me, much of the time the same girls that do kinky stuff I would often rather see do ordinary stuff instead -naked artsy- or even clothed.
You are not hypocritical.
I think you have a good point. A woman should be treated right.
But perhaps how to treat a girl right is not always so simple.
Does it count as abuse if the girl wants it or requests it? If it is consensual? If it is art? If she's enjoying herself?
Let's say she likes bondage or gagging on cock. Is that abuse?
What if you weren't married and Isobel Wren or Dixie Dash (who both like bondage) asked you to tie them up to have sex with them? Would you be so turned off that you couldn't do it? If you did would there be something wrong with you? With them?
I value your opinion and am wondering what you think.
Not sure I follow you exactly. If you think all porn is degrading (to varying extents) and having sex is porn... do you think simply having sex is degrading? Why?
I see where you are coming from regarding facial cumshots. If not degrading there is certainly a power dynamic going on. If it's consensual though I don't see a problem with it.
In my experience some women not only don't mind being held down, manhandled, and used as a canvas where a man can cum where ever he wants, they prefer it. Some request facials or bondage. Not paid pornstars, regular women. Many would in fact love it if I used your exact phrase and told them that they are "desirable objects" or "toys" that I want to "control and use at will." Do you consider these women who don't deserve respect?
I'm curious what you think... these are not rhetorical questions:
Should we not oblige them for fear of being considered cruel?
Do you think there is something mentally wrong with such a woman?
Couldn't women's desire to be dominated instead be something more "normal"? (such as the result of thousands of years of sexual selective pressure for instance)
I respect your right to be turned off by whatever turns you off, there's no controlling that.
and I agree there is a line that shouldn't be crossed. I just don't think that having sex and facials is it.
I don't want to speak for the OP because I'm not sure what type of things he is into or why. He will be able to make that clear I'm sure.
Oddly enough, for me, much of the time the same girls that do kinky stuff I would often rather see do ordinary stuff instead -naked artsy- or even clothed.
You are not hypocritical.
I think you have a good point. A woman should be treated right.
But perhaps how to treat a girl right is not always so simple.
Does it count as abuse if the girl wants it or requests it? If it is consensual? If it is art? If she's enjoying herself?
Let's say she likes bondage or gagging on cock. Is that abuse?
What if you weren't married and Isobel Wren or Dixie Dash (who both like bondage) asked you to tie them up to have sex with them? Would you be so turned off that you couldn't do it? If you did would there be something wrong with you? With them?
I value your opinion and am wondering what you think.
Having sex for pay is probably degrading and in a perfect world it would not happen.But its not a perfect world lots of people do things for money they would not do otherwise if they saw other options for making the same kind of money.No sex by itself is not degrading but sex for pay is IMO.And when you say Isobel Wren and Dixie Dash like 'bondage", you know this how?Because they do it for money in films?That don't prove they like it.Just like professional boxers who get hit in the face you think they go home and do that for kicks? Porn is fantasy's performed by people for money,you can not assume anything about the people's real lives and what they like by what they do in movies.
Every once in a while someone starts a thread to say how hypocrit members of this forum are when they don't think like him or don't like the same kind of porn he does. And most of the time the kind of porn he likes is the so-called whore-abuses type of porn.
Why only people who don't like whore-abuses porn should be considered as potential hypocrits ?
Could it be the reverse. Maybe it is those who say they like that type of porn that should be suspected.
Maybe they are frustratred teenagers covered with pimples and wearing thick glasses, braces and... Oh my God :eek: brown pants!!!!
And they unload their frustation by playing tough in anonymous forums, something they are unable to do in "the real world".
Jack123 opened this thread accusing "others" of being hypocrits that judge the cattle from high above because of their cheap moral values.
Well Jack123, that's exactly what you have been doing all this time (not to mention that you based your argument on that stupidity : the word whore would have exactly the same meaning than the word prostitute; everybody knows it is not true. That's why you absolutely want to use it.
Personnaly I think that ...
You are the ultimate fearless charismatic leader of the Freeones hypocracist movement!
Hail to the chief!
Why only people who don't like whore-abuses porn should be considered as potential hypocrits ?
Could it be the reverse. Maybe it is those who say they like that type of porn that should be suspected.
Maybe they are frustratred teenagers covered with pimples and wearing thick glasses, braces and... Oh my God :eek: brown pants!!!!
And they unload their frustation by playing tough in anonymous forums, something they are unable to do in "the real world".
Jack123 opened this thread accusing "others" of being hypocrits that judge the cattle from high above because of their cheap moral values.
Well Jack123, that's exactly what you have been doing all this time (not to mention that you based your argument on that stupidity : the word whore would have exactly the same meaning than the word prostitute; everybody knows it is not true. That's why you absolutely want to use it.
Personnaly I think that ...
You are the ultimate fearless charismatic leader of the Freeones hypocracist movement!
Hail to the chief!
Mr. Daystar
In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
But as obnoxious as it might seem to say, reality is, everyone pays for sex in one way or another. I love my wife with all of my heart, I would die for her without a second thought, but her wedding ring wasn't free. All of the dates we went on prior to our engagement, they cost me money. But now on the other hand, she has paid too, and I have gotten far more for my buck, then a place to drop a load...but technically, I did pay.
If you feel that all porn "sex for pay" is degrading, then why do you watch it?
Do you like people degrading themselves?
Good point. They are being paid after all. I took them at their word but you are right they could be lying. No sense asking them either if they are just liars, right? In any case, I have met women who like those things, are they liars too? Like mongo18 says, domination fantasies are common so the point doesn't rest on if those two have lied to us. (which I agree with you is possible).
As for your boxing analogy, the object of boxing is not to get hit in the face but to hit others. If one is able to understand that, then it actually does not refute my point. Fighters do get into fights outside of the ring.
Guilty as charged I like things that I probably shouldn't lol.Like I said it's not a perfect world.And to use my boxing analogy again in a perfect world there would be no boxing which I admit I watch as well.But I am against banning boxing or anything as I am against banning porn and I am in favor of legal prostituiton.As i said in a perfect world people would have so many other options in life that selling your body for money or subjecting it to beating and possible death and injury as in boxing would not be something anyone would choose.But till then lets not think we are so much different or superior to any of them ,OK?
I meant 'sex' as in sex in a movie, not real life sex. Sorry if I said it wrong.
First, I said I would respect them less, not lose ALL respect for them. Second, any woman that desires to have a man cum on her face regularly or even semi-regularly probably has some sort of self esteem issues.
This is 2008. I go on a date; she pays her way, I pay mine.
Well if u want to know...
I like rough hardcore porn, where the woman is degraded, eg being called names, having a dick shoved down her throat, being spat on. Especially like it when the are made to say things like 'im a piece of shit whore' etc
I dont know why i like this type of porn, im sure some armchair psychologist on here will enlighten me though...
lone gunman
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Even if I happen not to like everything he described,
I do not want to not be able to call a porn girl a whore
without being reminded that "the whore part is too much"
and getting suggestions that I should maybe reffer to them as "goddeses" or "princesses",
which happened to me sometime in the past
(back when I didn`t have any rep
).Why not ask yourself why you like it so much?
btw, overall I don't share your sexual tastes, but I do think more good then harm has come from this thread of yours.
You should not feel so guilty. You can still watch your vile demeaning facials, it's ok
AFAIK neither of us believe "we are so much different or superior to any of them". Neither of us said that. And neither of us believe that boxing or porn should be banned. (thank goodness)
I was making the point that not everyone who does these things (paid or otherwise) is forced into it, feels demeaned, or even doesn't like them. They have the right to do so and perhaps should not be respected less.
I was asking LBP76 and senob44, 1) If it counts as abuse if it is consensual and/or the girl requests it 2) If they are so turned off that they wouldn't do it with one of our local stars and 3) Do they consider that there is something wrong with people that do it or like it. Is there something mentally abnormal about a girl that likes to be dominated whether for the sake of desire, money or art?
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