The bible explained by /b/
Will E Worm
Conspiracy...
:nono: I'm not black.
That guy is acting like a moron. :tongue:
Especially with the back ground "music."
habo9
Banned
Yes amongst other things why do you ask?
^^^ =)
habo9
Banned
^ true, bwa-ha-ha-ha
habo9
Banned
Well I figured someone had to call out islam/koran/mohammed/allah for being a fantasy formed from someone's overactive imagination. Might as well be me.:nanner:
Moses, Jesus & Muhammad were all on some special kind of drug...
What I'd like to know is which drugs they were on to start tripping the way they did. Maybe I could start a new religion if I used the same drug as well...
Rattrap
Doesn't feed trolls and would appreciate it if you
Indeed; what better a tool for controlling people than provide a being who cannot be disproved, and thus only exists from entirely blind faith?
Run it through Occam's Razor: what's more likely, a mellenia-old means of power-grabbing (let's look at the history of the human race, here), or an infinitely complex "being" that defies logic, reason, and indeed the laws of the universe simply by conveniently being "beside" it?
Feel free to argue that God is none of the above, and I'll happily debate it.
I know this doesn't occur to believers that this doesn't make any sense logically, as it is their worldview (and therefore it makes all the sense to them). What you've basically said, quite literally, is "you have to have faith, because. There's no way around it." I won't go into detail how there's not actually an arguement there, but suffice to say there isn't.
So indeed, why is faith necessary? Hell, why would obedience to divine will be necessary? If we are subscribing to an omnipotent, omniscient* "being", what does it matter what we do? God would have, after all, power over our every action (free will doesn't really exist even from a biological standpoint, nevermind a metaphysical sense), or even if free will was applied, God set all the starting conditions. That's kind of (actually, pretty much the same) like having a pet rat, putting some food in front of it, and punishing or rewarding it for eating the food. It makes the same sort of sense.
To move on a bit, my favorite argument for the existence of God was put forth by none other than Sigmund Freud, in The Future of an Illusion (note: he's not arguing that God exists, but that mankind created God to meet its needs).
* Here's something to chew on: how does an omnipotent, omniscient God change its mind?
Will E Worm
Conspiracy...
Just like non-believers who believe in cosmic accidents that make universes without matter, magical fish, shape-changing simians, and so on.
:tongue:
Rattrap
Doesn't feed trolls and would appreciate it if you
You are referring to the cosmological argument, which while is very persuasive, is fallacious.
Have you done any serious study of the theories going into the beginning of the universe? More than "the big bang theory happened, and the universe exploded"? Admittedly, mankind doesn't know what all happened. But we're getting damn close. When that is figured out, where else is left for God to hide?
As for the cosmological argument, it is fallacious for one glaringly obvious reason: the argument goes, where did the universe come from, if not God (whether God created it as is, or sparked the big bang, etc)?
Ready for the obvious retort?
Where the hell did God come from, then?
The most common answer I've heard for that is that God is timeless, without beginning or end. So if God can be, why can't the universe be? Hmm? The idea that an "uncaused cause" can't exist just as readily applies to God as it does to the universe.
Just like non-believers who believe in cosmic accidents that make universes without matter, magical fish, shape-changing simians, and so on.
Have you done any serious study of the theories going into the beginning of the universe? More than "the big bang theory happened, and the universe exploded"? Admittedly, mankind doesn't know what all happened. But we're getting damn close. When that is figured out, where else is left for God to hide?
As for the cosmological argument, it is fallacious for one glaringly obvious reason: the argument goes, where did the universe come from, if not God (whether God created it as is, or sparked the big bang, etc)?
Ready for the obvious retort?
Where the hell did God come from, then?
The most common answer I've heard for that is that God is timeless, without beginning or end. So if God can be, why can't the universe be? Hmm? The idea that an "uncaused cause" can't exist just as readily applies to God as it does to the universe.
Will E Worm
Conspiracy...
Yes, and you're not close to anything, especially the truth.
Pseudo-science is not science.
Rattrap
Doesn't feed trolls and would appreciate it if you
Yes, pseudo-science isn't science. Fortunately, I was talking about proper science.
Nor does a pseudo-argument stand up in a debate. Can you give a proper one, to the critique of the argument above, perhaps?