Should there just be a "Mass shooting in the US" sticky thread?

[Mr. Daystar]

Even on this board we've seen multiple incidents of black people assaulting & even murdering Asians. And sometimes they do get charged with hate crimes.

Man arrested in violent hate-crime beating of Asian woman in Yonkers
https://abc7ny.com/hate-crime-asian-woman-attack-yonkers/11650792/


An Asian man injured in an unprovoked attack in New York last April has died, officials say
https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/09/us/asian-man-new-york-attack-death/index.html


And this one got some attention as it was caught on camera, with people just watching it happen:
65-year-old Asian woman kicked while on ground in graphic video
https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2021/...n-new-york-nypd-hate-crime-gingras-nr-vpx.cnn


But @Mr. Daystar you are right that it doesn't always happen, even if it seems like there is grounds for it. Like the Asian who was murdered when she was pushed in front of a train:
https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/15/us/nypd-make-arrest-connected-to-asian-woman-death-subway/index.html


And sometimes the reporting can't confirm whether the suspects were charged with hate crimes
Successive attacks on Pinoys in NYC revive ‘hate crime’ fear
https://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1150486

Thank you very much. At least I can see some justice is being equally doled out, and apparently I was wrong.

 

[tvstrip]

Thank you very much. At least I can see some justice is being equally doled out, and apparently I was wrong.

I wouldn't say you're wrong. Despite the evidence saying that he was a black supremist, it looks like they're just going with terrorism charges and no hate crime charges. At least, none that I see. I get that terrorism charges are worse, but if it's racially motivated terrorism, I think it should be added.

 

[Little Red Wagon Repairman]

The media does put their thumb on the scale when it comes to race stories. Look at Jussie Smollett, Kyle Rittenhouse, Nick Sandmann, and others. The majority of the media are White but have some self-loathing instinct or fetish to attack their own race playing their usual Six Degrees Of White Supremacy game. Check the vague descriptions of suspects when they are Black even if they are still on the loose.

 

[gmase]

... it looks like they're just going with terrorism charges and no hate crime charges.

Isn't terrorism a hate crime by definition?

 

[tvstrip]

Isn't terrorism a hate crime by definition?

Not necessarily.
A hate crime is prejudice-motivated which targets a victim(s) because of their membership of a certain social group or racial demographic. Usually that means race/ethnicity, religion or sexual orientation. Terrorism generally is the use of violence and fear to achieve an ideological aim; it doesn't require you target a race/etc (although it can).

9/11 is a good example. Their ideological aim was to scare the US out of the middle-east. The attacks didn't specifically target whites, Christians etc - they were pretty indiscriminate on who they killed to achieve that goal.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

Not necessarily.
A hate crime is prejudice-motivated which targets a victim(s) because of their membership of a certain social group or racial demographic. Usually that means race/ethnicity, religion or sexual orientation. Terrorism generally is the use of violence and fear to achieve an ideological aim; it doesn't require you target a race/etc (although it can).

9/11 is a good example. Their ideological aim was to scare the US out of the middle-east. The attacks didn't specifically target whites, Christians etc - they were pretty indiscriminate on who they killed to achieve that goal.

That's a very well thought out answer, but wasn't their aim to scare the RACE and ETHNICITY that is Americans? I'm just tossing a little back to you, because your answers are, so well thought out, and I've always looked at that attack as, a blatant hatred for America. Personally, I think the Muslim men get so pissed at American "decadence", because they don't get to have any. I know the LAST person one should take advise from, is Howard Stern, but I think he was right. We should have just built them a few titty bars, and let them relax after a long day of trying to kill each other. Now that ethnic cleansing bullshit that these fuckers in Africa, and over in Bosnia several years ago. That to me has to be considered racist. We would call Hitler racist for his atrocities.

Just a thought.

 

[gmase]

Here's a hanging curve @Mr. Daystar
https://thehill.com/news/wire/3271216-suspect-in-south-carolina-mall-shooting-given-25000-bond/

"During Sunday’s court hearing in Columbia, a judge ordered Price to wear an ankle monitor but said he will be permitted to travel to and from work. ... Price has a criminal past. In 2018, authorities charged him with accessory in the connection with the fatal shooting of Amon Rice, a student-athlete at Lower Richland High School."

Will being a poor shot work to his benefit?

Not necessarily.
A hate crime is prejudice-motivated which targets a victim(s) because of their membership of a certain social group or racial demographic. Usually that means race/ethnicity, religion or sexual orientation. Terrorism generally is the use of violence and fear to achieve an ideological aim; it doesn't require you target a race/etc (although it can).

9/11 is a good example. Their ideological aim was to scare the US out of the middle-east. The attacks didn't specifically target whites, Christians etc - they were pretty indiscriminate on who they killed to achieve that goal.

I am happy to hear terrorism is not a crime of hate. 😌

 

[Mr. Daystar]

I don't think this guy should be out, I doubt he was even allowed to own a gun, and the judge that granted him bail, should be reviewed by the judicial review board. If this guy kills someone while he's out, the judge is just as guilty, This is the kind of shit that perpetuates gun violence. He should probably be in prison already.

 

[gmase]

He should be in prison now. I expected better from SC.

 

[tvstrip]

That's a very well thought out answer, but wasn't their aim to scare the RACE and ETHNICITY that is Americans? I'm just tossing a little back to you, because your answers are, so well thought out, and I've always looked at that attack as, a blatant hatred for America. Personally, I think the Muslim men get so pissed at American "decadence", because they don't get to have any. I know the LAST person one should take advise from, is Howard Stern, but I think he was right. We should have just built them a few titty bars, and let them relax after a long day of trying to kill each other. Now that ethnic cleansing bullshit that these fuckers in Africa, and over in Bosnia several years ago. That to me has to be considered racist. We would call Hitler racist for his atrocities.

Just a thought.

It's actually great you're giving my posts that much thought... appreciate it! 👍

I think there is too much diversity in the US to say that a terrorist attack against them, on its own, is a hate crime. Even more, the WTC/Pentagon are neutral targets; they aren't associated with a specific group. Now you could say the WTC was a symbol of capitalism - so an attack on it would be purely ideological, and not a hate a crime. Perfect example of terrorism.

Another way to look at it is: What is your goal for committing this act? (This is just my thought process - it's not "official" or anything)

-If you have no goal, then you're just a mass murderer

-If your goal is to just kill people of a certain identifiable group (Race/Religion/Sex/Sexual orientation/etc), like shooting up several Asian massage parlors or a mosque, then it's purely a hate crime

-If your goal is to scare people into some sort of change, e.g. getting your military out of a country, outlaw abortions or keep a fat orange oaf in power, that's "pure" terrorism.

-If your goal involves change which is targeted against an identifiable group, that's where I say it can be both terrorism and a hate crime. And that's also where it gets really muddy.

At least, that's how I look at it.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

I agree. But lets face it, as soon as they need to make things fit their needs, the laws will change.

 

[gmase]

[At least 10] dead in Buffalo ...
https://www.wivb.com/news/local-news/poloncarz-police-on-scene-of-active-multiple-shooting/

 

[Mr. Daystar]

That really sucks. I hope they provide more details soon. I want to know if this guy was on the radar, or worse, not permitted to own a firearm. New York has very strict gun laws too. I know assault weapons are not allowed, and I think their magazine capacity law is less then 10.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/multiple-people-shot-tops-supermarket-195141137.html
From Yahoo

 

[gmase]

Today's winner is a self-professed white supremacist:
https://www.wkbw.com/news/local-news/tops-shooting-suspect-arraigned-in-buffalo-city-court
https://heavy.com/news/payton-gendron/

 

[Mr. Daystar]

That's just fucking special, why is it, it's always some fucking dickhead, with the worst reasons possible, to be an asshat, and ruin it for the good guys out here? I hope this guy tries to get a gun from a guard, so they can just shoot him, and make the gene pool a little stronger.

 

[IceCat19]

I think this guy probably got heavily triggered by ir porn. Say what you like about it but it can be dangerous, have deadly triggering effect.

If I'm not mistaken President Bush from the 90s actually tried to have ir porn banned

 

[Little Red Wagon Repairman]

First I would like to mention I hope the innocent ten deceased people all rest in peace. Best wishes to their family and friends getting through all their loss and suffering. I can't relate but I'm sure it's brutal.

It's hard to put into civilized words how I feel about the shooter. An ignorant 18 year old piece of shit loser who's life seems to revolve around racism. I wish he didn't survive and was silenced for good. This country does not need another racially charged court case.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/buffalo-gunman-had-threatened-high-173053946.html

Well, somebody dropped the ball again. This guy was a red flag long before this, and it really is tragic that this happened, especially since it happened for a really shitty reason. unfortunately, an inanimate object will take the blame, and the people that fumbled will not pay any price for their ineptitude.

 

[gmase]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/buffalo-gunman-had-threatened-high-173053946.html

Well, somebody dropped the ball again. This guy was a red flag long before this, and it really is tragic that this happened, especially since it happened for a really shitty reason. unfortunately, an inanimate object will take the blame, and the people that fumbled will not pay any price for their ineptitude.

Colorado passed red flag laws a few years back. Members of a certain party took offense and declared their counties 'second amendment sanctuaries'. One sheriff who committed to enforcing the law was condemned by his own party.

The issue is we only see red flags in retrospect. If the flags are enforced prospectively, then plenty of gun advocates get offended and start screaming about their rights being infringed.

https://gazette.com/news/douglas-co...cle_d4a3d8c0-445f-11e9-9a94-07ac0f94dc7d.html
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/red-flag-gun-laws-a-standoff-in-colorado-60-minutes-2020-08-30/

 

[Little Red Wagon Repairman]

Shooting at a Church in Orange County. One dead so far.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/californ...ing-laguna-woods-church-multiple-victims-shot

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1525944252726845441