Should the Rich Pay More Tax?

[Facetious]

Of course we should tax the rich at a much higher percentage than we currently are and we should close all tax loopholes.

We should also tax properties and investments for churches and "nonprofit" hospitals.

California's Prop 13 should be overturned by the Supreme Court immediately.

People should pay a "user fee" for SUVs right now. The luxury tax credit that the Bush Administration rammed down the throats of Congress during their first term was AN EMBARRASSMENT.

Bush tax cuts need to be overturned immediately. Only his idiocy and Republican Congresspersons think tax cuts during war time is feasible for a society. Never has our country cut taxes during wartime.

Taxes are the price of civilization and our taxes dollars SHOULD BE SPENT on our country, not on Iraq or some other country.

Dude ! You sound like the type that doesn't have 2 wooden nickels to rub together ! You could change that, but I guess that you're all to sensitive to the criticism of your peers.
How did you get so infused with this angry and communistic ideology ? did your baby boomer hippie college professors have hypnotic - impressionable powers ? (I always challenged mine :lol. . . did you attend University of California @ Santa Cruz by any chance ? :dunno:

If you actually believe in that of which you have typed in this post, you've really been restraining yourself in the majority of your other posts. Oh well, it's out on the table now. I take it that you're in your late twenties or early thirties and you've already decided that you're going to be a poor man for the rest of your life ? Sure comes across that way. :dunno:

Look, I don't ever anticipate that I'll be amongst those who make small fortunes in my lifetime . . .for those who do, Fuck em ! Why do they bother so you so much ? Listen, I've lived long enough to know that most of these "rich'' people really don't have things so easy after all. Sure, they have expendable amounts of money, ill received or otherwise, but isn't it interesting that they seem to have other problems e.g. domestic issues, alcoholism, drug abuse, physical and / or mentally debilitating illnessess including severe depression ? I know quite a few families that have earned and / or inherited good fortune and I must say, I wouldn't trade places with 'em, no fucking way !

So chill


Oh, BTW - prop 13 has been a justly rewarded treat for me mum & dad, among other elder, long time tax paying folks in Ca. The voters decided fair and square that they'd "give back" to our elders in the form of a property tax break. What do you wanna do, force our elderly population into concentration camps simply 'cause they can't afford an already, inflated (as compared to other states) property tax rate ?

Having the court overturn prop 13

Yeah, you'd like a radical fringe judiciary to overturn the will of the people, wouldn't ya ?

Sheesh ! :updown:

 

[Wainkerr99]

^^ There is always a balance. While some poor people may enjoy excellent health, rich people may not always, or they have family break ups, etc.

It is not so cut and dried.

Many rich do actually support charitable organisations, or open trust funds.

There is way too much tax already.

To say tax is for your country is not understanding how many trillions were wasted. If the gov had not had that money in the first place, it would not have wasted it.

This applies to every country. In South Africa, countless billions have been lost over the decades to mindless gov spending. There was a time in the 60's when the Rand was double the value of the dollar. Americans would need to cough up two dollars to buy one Rand. Now look at it. Almost 12 Rands to buy 1 Dollar.

Why take money, then waste it?

If one could be 100% certain local and Fed gov was going to put that money to help poor people rise up, then maybe yes. After all, rich people are most certainly not going to help any one but themselves out of the kindness of their hearts.

No one wants to help anyone anymore. In fact, they rejoice over your destruction.

Having said that, as I said rich people do provide assistance, even if it is for a photo op.

 

[tdomaster]

48 vs. 31 says all...
so i voted for YES

 

[tony c]

Call me stupid.. but.. don't they pay more than us commoners do already?
Tack on all the trivial shit they own and pay tax on and, well, you get the idea.

To sum up what Facetious said up yonder, we can easily quote Christopher Wallace - "mo money, mo problems."

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

In many cases most of the charitable contributions by conservatives involve church tithings and offerings not what we traditionally consider giving to charity.

Conservatives tend to be involved a great deal more in church than progressives and that accounts for the disparity... not because conservatives are generally more charitable.

An oversight on my behalf:

And conservatives give more than just to their own churches and other houses of worship. Conservatives, especially religious conservatives, give far more money and donate more of their time to nonreligious charitable causes than do liberals — especially secular liberals.

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=308442681180188

Just thought I'd point it out. :wave: Is it any surprise that the most divisive, militant, nasty citizens in America are the secular liberal, atheist type? :dunno: It must mean something.

 

[jakeballs77]

No, you work hard for it, you keep it. Our country need to stop taking in all comers and giving handouts to all the slackers. It's the way everybody I know sees things at least

 

[Will E Worm]

We should also tax properties and investments for churches and "nonprofit" hospitals.

Dude ! You sound like the type that doesn't have 2 wooden nickels to rub together ! You could change that, but I guess

:tongue:

Churches are already protected from the government and tax free.
So, why do churches take 501c3 status to be tax free?

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


You all need to watch: America: Freedom to Fascism. Video

• The Federal Reserve System is unconstitutional and has maxed out the national debt and bankrupted the United States government.
  
• Federal income taxes were imposed in response to, or as part of, the plan implementing the Federal Reserve System.
  
• Federal income taxes are unconstitutional or otherwise legally invalid.
  
• The use of the Federal income tax to counter the economic effects of the Federal Reserve System is futile.

America: Freedom to Fascism

 

[Afficial_Nastee]

The thread title says it all : "the rich" so yeah they should pay more because they're rich so they don't feel it that badly if they gotta pay more taxes , poor or less rich people do feel the consequences of paying more taxes....

For the rich it's just a small part of their richdom that they have to give away, and do they really suffer from it? C'mon , that would be (maybe) one less visit to a nice restaurant on a week or they have to scrap that Rolex from their wishlist for the next month don't act like they all of a sudden become middleclass people....

 

[pully89]

i'm sorry but the rich have been hit harder than anyone by the resession and they are the ones losing money and as they are the ones who own the companies, they are letting people go from their jobs to try and brake even, so if you tax them more, then more people will get fired. And also they have earned their money through hardwork (most of the time) so we should they get taxed more than other people?

 

[busenbust]

Yes! But: If even Obama can't, then who can ...

 

[Afficial_Nastee]

i'm sorry but the rich have been hit harder than anyone by the resession and they are the ones losing money and as they are the ones who own the companies, they are letting people go from their jobs to try and brake even, so if you tax them more, then more people will get fired. And also they have earned their money through hardwork (most of the time) so we should they get taxed more than other people?

You just stated it , they lose money , but other people lose jobs, what's worse? .... In a resession everybody gets to see his budget become smaller , but the rich feel it less hard than the less rich people....

 

[justjake]

Are we talking higher % or more money? Because either way the more you make , the more you pay. Even if everyone was paying the same percentage, which we're not, the "rich" would obviously still pay more. I think loopholes should be closed, but i dont think anyone should be paying more than 40% of their income to the government, factoring in State taxes as well.

 

[Facetious]

Re: Should the Rich Pay More Tax?

The "rich" do pay more ! I have given this plenty of thought and I have determined that the only thing that would be accomplished with this tax the crap out of em scheme is that we would create a greater number of dependent poor people. The wealthiest people who don't want to abide with a confiscatory tax schedule will essentially pick up and leave the not so well to do in the dust.
I can see 'em Gulfstream Jets lining up on the tarmac now !
:wave2:"Later":wave:


At the end of the day it all comes down to politics. The revenue generated from a progressively increased tax schedule isn't used for the betterment of society, it's used as political weaponry and for the further development of programs that require greater annual tax revenue.

more later, gotta go :waves:

 

[Friday on my mind]

Re: Should the Rich Pay More Tax?

The "rich" do pay more ! I have given this plenty of thought and I have determined that the only thing that would be accomplished with this tax the crap out of em scheme is that we would create a greater number of dependent poor people. The wealthiest people who don't want to abide with a confiscatory tax schedule will essentially pick up and leave the not so well to do in the dust.
I can see 'em Gulfstream Jets lining up on the tarmac now !
:wave2:"Later":wave:


At the end of the day it all comes down to politics. The revenue generated from a progressively increased tax schedule isn't used for the betterment of society, it's used as political weaponry and for the further development of programs that require greater annual tax revenue.

more later, gotta go :waves:

1st I don't think anybody has proposed any "tax the crap out of em" policys.The rate increase obama has proposed is only back to what they were under Clinton.Bush lowered top rate from 37 to 35 I think it was.

But the premise that they will pick up and leave I think is funny.WHERE will they go????

If your going to go to some developed country like europe or canada or australia I doubt the tax burden will be lower.And like hell those people will move to some 3rd world place where the electricity and other things are kinda iffy.

Its like the doctors and health care.They can't leave for a country where they get to take so much money as here eithier,there is no where with a system like ours.

What good is being rich if you can't hang out in a penthouse in NYC or a home in beverly hills.They all will still be rich but will just have a better country to live in when things like infrastructure are repaired and the economy grows because everyone is doing better.

 

[busenbust]

They can pay more tax (in these lean times), unlike most everyone else. Where will they go?? Like the b(w)ankers: we must call their bluff

I hear the ???? are recruiting. Expect a pay cut

 

[titsrock]

Inheritance tax is theft.I earned my money and paid tax on every penny.When my time comes and I have no further use for it I want my kids to have it.I feel I should be able to dispose of my legally acquired wealth in any way I choose.

What happens if your children are too young to legally own property? Who pays the taxes then?

Re: Should the Rich Pay More Tax?

The "rich" do pay more ! I have given this plenty of thought and I have determined that the only thing that would be accomplished with this tax the crap out of em scheme is that we would create a greater number of dependent poor people. The wealthiest people who don't want to abide with a confiscatory tax schedule will essentially pick up and leave the not so well to do in the dust.
I can see 'em Gulfstream Jets lining up on the tarmac now !
:wave2:"Later":wave:

Where would the Rich go? Why haven't they left already?:dunno: Do the Rich really hate America (in your example) so much to leave and renounce citizenship?

The U.S. is "organized" to keep the rich, rich and the poor, poor. Making the Rich pay more in tax is fine, but there has to be some serious changes about granting opportunities and education to people, not just the rich.:wave2:

 

[justjake]

It was 39% under Clinton.

 

[sproing99]

Trickle down ecomonics is a fiction. The only thing that trickles down is piss.

 

[robbied196]

Re: Should the Rich Pay More Tax?

The "rich" do pay more ! I have given this plenty of thought and I have determined that the only thing that would be accomplished with this tax the crap out of em scheme is that we would create a greater number of dependent poor people. The wealthiest people who don't want to abide with a confiscatory tax schedule will essentially pick up and leave the not so well to do in the dust.
I can see 'em Gulfstream Jets lining up on the tarmac now !
:wave2:"Later":wave:


At the end of the day it all comes down to politics. The revenue generated from a progressively increased tax schedule isn't used for the betterment of society, it's used as political weaponry and for the further development of programs that require greater annual tax revenue.

more later, gotta go :waves:

The tax system well be different in the USA, the problem in the UK is that a 'few' of the extremely wealthy use loopholes to escape paying the right amount of tax. Its not fair that you can 'earn your income' from a country but then escape its tax laws by living in a tax haven like Monaco. Ethically and morally the UK needs a complete overhaul.

Trickle down ecomonics is a fiction. The only thing that trickles down is piss.

:thumbsup: and it pissed down yesterday!

 

[placenta]

FLAT TAX all the way; fair is fair.

for the rich to pay more taxes (proportionally) is NOT FAIR!

for the "poor" to pay less (proportionally) is NOT FAIR!

for the middle class to get screwed and pay a ton of taxes is NOT FAIR!

10% Federal Income tax! That is all.

you make $10,000 per year- you pay $1000.

you make $100,000 per year- you pay $10000.