Should the Rich Pay More Tax?
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You make more, you pay more anyway. If we all paid the same rate, 10%, 20% whatever % of 1,000,000 is still more than 10%,20% whatever % of 10,000. How much is enough?
That and when was the last time a person in poverty gave you a steady job? The fact that my rich boss is paying me and the rest of the employees well and pays his higher tax rate, I believe that's enough that's he's doing. If he ends up paying more, good bye to any future raises, might even get myself laid off, or no more new employees, or all of those choices.
When you tax something higher, you take away the incentive to do so, you lower taxes on something, there is incentive to do so. Case in point: Smoking....raise your hand if you smoke? How much for a pack of cigarettes, including taxes? For me the price of pack of cigarettes is a major incentive NOT to pick up smoking.
That and when was the last time a person in poverty gave you a steady job? The fact that my rich boss is paying me and the rest of the employees well and pays his higher tax rate, I believe that's enough that's he's doing. If he ends up paying more, good bye to any future raises, might even get myself laid off, or no more new employees, or all of those choices.
When you tax something higher, you take away the incentive to do so, you lower taxes on something, there is incentive to do so. Case in point: Smoking....raise your hand if you smoke? How much for a pack of cigarettes, including taxes? For me the price of pack of cigarettes is a major incentive NOT to pick up smoking.
How much tax would you have someone like a single mom with 2 kids making under $20k pay? She will have hard enough time without paying tax and I know you will hate this but she now does not only not pay taxes when she files her taxes she will get big refund from the earned income tax credit.She still will have real hard time making ends meet though but lets tax her.:eek:
And on renters not paying property tax which is how most places pay for schools that is simply not true.The landlord pays taxes and hence the renter does by paying rent.
No a progressive tax system is not communism unless you think the US was a communist country in the 50s and 60s when our tax system was much more progressive.
What really gets lost in all this discussion is what works best for the country as a whole.Even a lot of the upper income people recognize things are out of balance and think some adjustment is needed.As I said earlier a society where income growth is spread out and not concentrated to a few make for a better country for everyone as it did in the boom years of the 50s.
Its ridiculous IMO to say its fair for someone making a million dollars to pay same percentage as someone making 20k.Using 20% flat tax as an example the person making 20k would pay 4 thousand (an amount he/she would sorely miss) while the person making 1 million would pay 200 grand leaving the poor guy/girl only 800 grand lol.Much more fair and good for the country as a whole would be for the person at 20K to pay zero(leaving him/her the entire 20K) and the millonaire to pay a 40% rate leaving them 600 grand which I bet they could somehow manage to live on.
It's not just "the rich" who pay high taxes,it's anyone who tries to get ahead.
Everyone,should pay less in taxes.
Everyone,should pay less in taxes.
Jane Burgess
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"Less" or "more" are nebulous terms when it comes to taxation. The question is what priorities are we going to fund and once the majority decides that...then the next step is figuring out in what proportions the burden of paying for them is borne.
ChefChiTown
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Here in the United States, the more money you have, the more money you get taxed. Personally, I don't think that taxing rich people even more than we already do would do any good, because our government would just use their extra tax money in a stupid manner anyway. If our government would just take the tax money it was already making, but just use it in a smart, educated, useful manner, than a lot of our financial woes would be eliminated. But, we insist on wasting billions of dollars on useless bullshit, so we're pretty much just throwing our money away.
Oito
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I revert back to my statement that you should read the book Atlas Shrugged.. however with your signature quote being from George Orwell... perhaps you should try Animal Farm first....
"from each according to their ability...to each according to their need" ... That statement makes me sick!
jasonk282
Banned
There is no room for this kind of rational thinking in our economy. this IS why we NEED less goverment in our life. Ah think back to reegan
so the more we pay pornstars the more they pay in taxes ?
dont really seem all to fair . but someone needs to help bail out americans shitty situation it cant be the poor they have nothing
dont really seem all to fair . but someone needs to help bail out americans shitty situation it cant be the poor they have nothing
I am familiar with both,Not much respect for Rand although "the Fountainhead" made for pretty good movie.
Just think some of the rhetoric of progressive taxes equaling communism is over the top,By that definition almost all the european nations are now communist as well as the US as we still have a progressive system just not progressive/fair enough IMO.The income inequality gap in this country is wider then it was in past decade and that benefits no one, not even the ones at the top as having a vast middle class whose incomes were growing is what made this country the economic powerhouse it became after WW2.
BINGO:
Citizens Against Government Waste
Precisely why people don't want to pay more taxes. The amount wasted by Uncle Sam is staggering.
meesterperfect
Hiliary 2020
thats basically what I said.
according to democratic senator barney frank" theres a lot of rich people we can tax".
and according to obamas wife" if you got 3 peices of pie, and someone else has 1, its only fair that you give them a piece of your pie".
My question is what happens if neither has a piece of pie?
Good point. How do you tax people who don't have jobs? Better still, how is cutting taxes on people who don't have jobs going to create stimulus?
Good question. What happens if the guy only has one piece of pie because he used to have four pieces, but irresponsibly pigged out on three without thinking about the consequences?
What if the guy with the 3 pieces of pie has them because he earned them by working really hard, sacrificing, and becoming successful while the person with 1 piece sits on their ass all day never trying to better themselves or improve their lot in life while at the same time railing constantly about how unfair life is?
25% of the taxpayers (the "evil", "greedy" rich people) already carry 75% of the tax burden. Of the remaining 75%, only half actually pay the taxes they owe. Just because you resent someone for being rich doesn't give you the right to use the legislature and the power of the executive branch to punish them for being successful. (Yeah, Obama, I'm talkin' to you, you impotent, incompetent punk!)
Oito
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a stratified tax system or a "progressive" tax system (I love some of the words that are used to make people feel good about the system) is by definition a form of communism:
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need (or needs) is a slogan popularized by Karl Marx in his 1875 Critique of the Gotha Program.[1] The phrase summarizes the principles that, under a communist system, every person should contribute to society to the best of his ability and consume from society in proportion to his needs, regardless of how much he has contributed."
quoted from Wiki - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_each_according_to_his_ability,_to_each_according_to_his_need
How do you argue that Friday? I dont think Orwell would....
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