Relax. Our firearms are still safe from being seized.

[Ravenholm]

Also, buy knives, learn how to effectively use them. They can be better in some cases than a firearm. :hatsoff:

I usually end up fucking cutting my fingers with the damn things. I'll stick to butter knives, as they are not so deadly.

 

[JacknCoke]

I always love these threads, I would love to rant but it's not even worth it any more because anti's will be anti's and everyone else knows how ignorant they are but I will just leave it at that.

 

[Friday on my mind]

Actually it is a delusion.Even as an american who supports the 2nd amendment the idea that a lot of guns makes us safer on a day to day basis just does not hold up to any scrutiny.Most shootings in the US are not done by criminals during a crime or by people defending themselves from the same.They are done by so-called up till then law abiding citizens in heat of the moment arguements who have access to a handy gun.And over 1/2 of all suicides are with a gun.Yes most law abiding citizens who own and use guns do so responsibly but their will always be those who lose control as I mentioned during arguments (many times alcohol is involved) and use them to kill people they know or family members or to commit suicide.Guns make such things easier to do and IMO their is no denying that.

And you think that to be killed/injured or robbed by some punk ass shitty thief or gangsta piece of shit is better than shoot him so that he can't harm or rob you??:dunno:I would rather defend my property beak and claws till the last breath than letting criminals rob my house or harm my friends or my family members. The break ins or robberies are done by worthless lowlives or scumbags who have served formerly in jail and who truely don't deserve a second chance. Why do you pity them???
Not every gun owner is depressive to kill himself with a gun.

95% of your post has nothing to do with the post I made.The only line that addresses anything I posted was the final one.I never said "every" gun owner was depressed enough to use it on themselves,what I said was 50% of suicides are with a gun.

Your a mod now , I would hope you would realize that means you are not supposed to answer posts with rants that have almost nothing to do with the post you are responding to like you had in the past.

My facts about guns are undeniable,they are used to kill people in heat of the moment arguements much more then in defense of or committing crimes.Also almost all the famous well known rampages of people going on killing sprees (Virginia tech,columbine etc ) were done using "legal" guns by people with no criminal record (or at least none that prevented them from getting the access to guns).In spite of that I still support gun rights,but my point was there is a downside that must be acknowleged.A gun in a home is much more likely to be used to kill an aquaintence or family member then in defense of the home.

 

[Hot Mega]

One mans paranoia, is another mans vigilance.

You constantly puff out your chest, proud of how smart you are, to not buy into the unsubstantiated rhetoric of the "paranoid gun nuts", all the while, belittling us for being to stupid to see the big picture, and telling us how foolish we are for buying into the whole gun grabbing agenda....but what if we're right? Then what? What if you're the sucker? I don't need to tell you the story of the man who did nothing, do I?

I've had people laugh at me, and call me a whack job, 15 years ago, when I started buying certain guns...now they tell me, "I know where I'm going when shit hits the fan". I tell them, you're going to the gun store, because I'm not babysitting your dumb ass, you laughed at me 15 years ago, called me a nut, now you see I'm right. Go fuck yourself, you're on your own.

Whatever you choose to call it, you're aiming it in the wrong direction. I tried to tell you this before..I'll try it again. I doubt you'll get it because admittedly it requires a more logical way of thinking sans the psychobabble of extremist rhetoric.

You are fighting what you see as extremists on the other side when that is not where the battle is. You are the photo negative of them...you're both two sides of the same paranoid, extremist coin.

The war you ought to be waging should be against the events that cause otherwise rational people to side with the extremists on the other side. For example, the Brady Center blah blah blah...likely doesn't exist without the circumstance of some nut getting a hold of a firearm.

A better analogy. Our country just saw a small pocket of extremist effect a war against a country from which an attack on us nor our allies occurred. Rational people were herded in to accepting the notion of doing something we'd never done based on some catalyzing event. Not because of the small cabal of extremists. How many anti "gun" extremists do you think Columbine created

My fear isn't the irrational arguments of extremists which have no basis in our constitution. It's firearms continuing to end up in the wrong hands that is the greatest threat to my right and yours. That's where your "vigilance" ought to be if you honestly cared about the right and not the politics.:crash:

 

[JacknCoke]

My facts about guns are undeniable,they are used to kill people in heat of the moment arguements much more then in defense of or committing crimes.Also almost all the famous well known rampages of people going on killing sprees (Virginia tech,columbine etc ) were done using "legal" guns by people with no criminal record (or at least none that prevented them from getting the access to guns).In spite of that I still support gun rights,but my point was there is a downside that must be acknowleged.A gun in a home is much more likely to be used to kill an aquaintence or family member then in defense of the home.

It's still illegal to commit murder yet it happens every day...

 

[Will E Worm]

"Obama's not accepting money back from the banks" - (ummm.....yes he is, you silly savage)

[size=+2]"We have communist radicals running this country!"[/size]

"Does it not frighten you? If it doesn't you don't deserve a nation, you don't deserve a country, and you don't deserve a vote!"

[size=+5]"You're in Danger!"[/size]

Good Lord somebody give this guy a thorazine drip, already.

I agree, we must impeach Obama and send him back to his true home and that isn't Hawaii.

Good idea, Bodie54. :wave:

 

[bodie54]

I agree, we must impeach Obama and send him back to his true home and that isn't Hawaii.

:rofl:

Yes oh wise one. The sheep will one day learn that Obama serves Remulak, and that Beldar :conehead: (posing as a French driving instructor) planted his birth announcement in the August 1961 Honolulu Advertiser.

:wave2:

 

[Hot Mega]

:rofl:

Yes oh wise one. The sheep will one day learn that Obama serves Remulak, and that Beldar :conehead: (posing as a French driving instructor) planted his birth announcement in the August 1961 Honolulu Advertiser.

:wave2:

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

 

[Will E Worm]

:rofl:

Yes oh wise one. The sheep will one day learn that Obama serves Remulak, and that Beldar :conehead: (posing as a French driving instructor) planted his birth announcement in the August 1961 Honolulu Advertiser.

:wave2:

No, he's from earth. Just not America. :hatsoff:

 

[Hot Mega]

No, he's from earth. Just not America. :hatsoff:

Old habits die hard, some not at all...Stupid is one Willie E.

We're all still waiting for this proof. Oh wait, it's all be debunked.:hatsoff:

 

[Will E Worm]

Old habits die hard, some not at all...Stupid is one Willie E.

We're all still waiting for this proof. Oh wait, it's all be debunked.:hatsoff:

Flamer. :tongue:

Liberals take too long to accept the truth.

Most die believing lies.

 

[Hot Mega]

Flamer. :tongue:

Liberals take too long to accept the truth.

Most die believing lies.

Where's the proof? Simple question.

 

[Will E Worm]

Where's the proof? Simple question.

It already out there.

Just like I said already, "Liberals take too long to accept the truth."
"Most die believing lies."

You will just have to accept the truth or believe the lies.
It's up to you. :hatsoff:

 

[Hot Mega]

It already out there.

Just like I said already, "Liberals take too long to accept the truth."
"Most die believing lies."

You will just have to accept the truth or believe the lies.
It's up to you. :hatsoff:

Predictable. Go back to sleep Will E.

 

[Will E Worm]

Predictable. Go back to sleep Will E.

You were predicable. :hatsoff:

This is you and most people...

Wake up and stop believing lies.

 

[Iceman97]

Sorry. I voted for the man based on what he's said and done on the issue. That's all I can go by..what else do you go by?

But keep being paranoid. I'm sure there's enough business to go around for you suckers being herded by lies and deceptions.:glugglug:

You ask me what I go by well I go by his voting record on this issue while he was in the senate. And let me tell you his voting record was anything BUT friendly to gun owners.

It's ironic that you say I'm being herded around by lies and deceptions when you're obviously the one being herded around by them. Since you've fallen for all of Obama's lies

 

[Hot Mega]

You ask me what I go by well I go by his voting record on this issue while he was in the senate. And let me tell you his voting record was anything BUT friendly to gun owners.

It's ironic that you say I'm being herded around by lies and deceptions when you're obviously the one being herded around by them. Since you've fallen for all of Obama's lies

Unbelievable. Here are ALL of his Senate votes. Which one??

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/o000167/votes/

 

[Facetious]

You ask me what I go by well I go by his voting record on this issue while he was in the senate. And let me tell you his voting record was anything BUT friendly to gun owners.

It's ironic that you say I'm being herded around by lies and deceptions when you're obviously the one being herded around by them. Since you've fallen for all of Obama's lies

Amen ! Sock it to these subversive nuisance pests and all of their deceptive dialectical drivel.

Obama was being misleading when he denied that his handwriting had been on a document endorsing a state ban on the sale and possession of handguns in Illinois. Obama responded, “No, my writing wasn’t on that particular questionnaire. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns.”

Actually, Obama’s writing was on the 1996 document, which was filed when Obama was running for the Illinois state Senate. A Chicago nonprofit, Independent Voters of Illinois, had this question, and Obama took hard line:

35. Do you support state legislation to:
a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.

OK, so I don't have a huge problem with yes on item ''c'' but that doesn't somehow validate the previous two !
Don't allow the usual suspect commies posting in this here thread to run off with this as some kind of moral victory !

Barry on guns Continued :

At a political fundraiser in '08, Barry - Oh ! disdainfully referred to the working class people of Pennsylvania and Indiana as being individuals who "cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Bad selection of words once again

Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok
Q: You said recently, “I have no intention of taking away folks’ guns.” But you support the D.C. handgun ban, and you’ve said that it’s constitutional. How do you reconcile those two positions?

A: Because I think we have two conflicting traditions in this country. I think it’s important for us to recognize that we’ve got a tradition of handgun ownership and gun ownership generally. And a lot of law-abiding citizens use it for hunting, for sportsmanship, and for protecting their families. We also have a violence on the streets that is the result of illegal handgun usage. And so I think there is nothing wrong with a community saying we are going to take those illegal handguns off the streets. And cracking down on the various loopholes that exist in terms of background checks for children, the mentally ill. We can have reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respect the Second Amendment and people’s traditions.

Source: 2008 Politico pre-Potomac Primary interview Feb 11, 2008

Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing
Q: When you were in the state senate, you talked about licensing and registering gun owners. Would you do that as president?

A: I don’t think that we can get that done. But what we can do is to provide just some common-sense enforcement. The efforts by law enforcement to obtain the information required to trace back guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers. As president, I intend to make it happen. We essentially have two realities, when it comes to guns, in this country. You’ve got the tradition of lawful gun ownership. It is very important for many Americans to be able to hunt, fish, take their kids out, teach them how to shoot. Then you’ve got the reality of 34 Chicago public school students who get shot down on the streets of Chicago. We can reconcile those two realities by making sure the Second Amendment is respected and that people are able to lawfully own guns, but that we also start cracking down on the kinds of abuses of firearms that we see on the streets.

Source: 2008 Democratic debate in Las Vegas Jan 15, 2008
Be on the lookout for this president and his buzzwords ''common sense approach'', do the same with this presidents' communist ideologue constituency as well.

Concealed carry OK for retired police officers
Obama voted for a bill in the Illinois senate that allowed retired law enforcement officers to carry concealed weapons. If there was any issue on which Obama rarely deviated, it was gun control. He was the most strident candidate when it came to enforcin and expanding gun control laws. So this vote jumped out as inconsistent.

When I queried him about the vote, he said, “I didn’t find that [vote] surprising. I am consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry. This was a narrow exception in an exceptional circumstance where a retired police officer might find himself vulnerable as a consequence of the work he has previously done--and had been trained extensively in the proper use of firearms.“

It wasn’t until a few weeks later that another theory came forward about the uncharacteristic vote. Obama was battling with his GOP opponent to win the endorsement of the Fraternal Order of Police.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
Source: From Promise to Power, by David Mendell, p.250-251 Aug 14, 2007

''Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities''
Q: How would you address gun violence that continues to be the #1 cause of death among African-American men?

A: You know, when the massacre happened at Virginia Tech, I think all of us were grief stricken and shocked by the carnage. But in this year alone, in Chicago, we’ve had 34 Chicago public school students gunned down and killed. And for the most part, there has been silence. We know what to do. We’ve got to enforce the gun laws that are on the books. We’ve got to make sure that unscrupulous gun dealers aren’t loading up vans and dumping guns in our communities, because we know they’re not made in our communities. There aren’t any gun manufacturers here, right here in the middle of Detroit. t those 30-some children in Chicago who’ve been shot as we do the children in Virginia Tech. That’s a mindset that we have to have in the White House and we don’t have it right now.
Source: 2007 NAACP Presidential Primary Forum Jul 12, 2007

√ :1orglaugh Whaaaat ? You lost me on many fronts mr prez, who gives a rats if a gun was made in or near your city or not ?
√ ''But what we also have to do is to make sure that we change our politics so that we care just as much about . . .'' huh ? ! :dunno:
√ Virginia Tech "children" ?

Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality
I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities, and that our leaders must say so in the face of the gun manfuacturer’s lobby. But I also believe that when a gangbanger shoots indiscriminately into a crowd because he feels someone disrespected him, we have a problem of morality. Not only do we need to punish that man for his crime, but we need to acknowledge that there’s a hole in his heart, one that government programs alone may not be able to repair.

Source: The Audacity of Hope, by Barack Obama, p.215 Oct 1, 2006

Well, Mr president, let's try ceasing the importation of individuals who are most likely to become gangbangers....ever hear of ms 13 ? y... yeah those guys, o... or would that be racist of me ? :shy:
No profiling ?! What about the increase in gun violence in Chitown, mr prez ?
Are you finally ready to reveal the terms & conditions of your ''common sense approach, mr. prez ? or is the political timing not right ? :1orglaugh

Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban
KEYES: [to Obama]: I am a strong believer in the second amendment. The gun control mentality is ruthlessly absurd. It suggests that we should pass a law that prevents law abiding citizens from carrying weapons. You end up with a situation where the crook have all the guns and the law abiding citizens cannot defend themselves. I guess that’s good enough for Senator Obama who voted against the bill that would have allowed homeowners to defend themselves if their homes were broken into.

OBAMA: Let’s be honest. Mr. Keyes does not believe in common gun control measures like the assault weapons bill. Mr. Keyes does not believe in any limits from what I can tell with respect to the possession of guns, including assault weapons that have only one purpose, to kill people. I think it is a scandal that this president did not authorize a renewal of the assault weapons ban.

Source: Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes Oct 21, 2004

Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions

* Principles that Obama supports on gun issues:Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.
* Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.
* Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.

Source: 1998 IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test Jul 2, 1998

Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers.
A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting from the misuse of their products by others. Voting YES would:

* Exempt lawsuits brought against individuals who knowingly transfer a firearm that will be used to commit a violent or drug-trafficking crime
* Exempt lawsuits against actions that result in death, physical injury or property damage due solely to a product defect
* Call for the dismissal of all qualified civil liability actions pending on the date of enactment by the court in which the action was brought
* Prohibit the manufacture, import, sale or delivery of armor piercing ammunition, and sets a minimum prison term of 15 years for violations
* Require all licensed importers, manufacturers and dealers who engage in the transfer of handguns to provide secure gun storage or safety devices

Reference: Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act; Bill S 397 ; vote

Obama also sat on the board of the joyce foundation, a vehement anti Second Amendment non for profit social policy gaggle.... no surprises here

 

[bodie54]

Don't allow the usual suspect commies posting in this here thread

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:1orglaugh :rofl:

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[Hot Mega]

Amen ! Sock it to these subversive nuisance pests and all of their deceptive dialectical drivel.


OK, so I don't have a huge problem with yes on item ''c'' but that doesn't somehow validate the previous two !
Don't allow the usual suspect commies posting in this here thread to run off with this as some kind of moral victory !

Barry on guns Continued :

At a political fundraiser in '08, Barry - Oh ! disdainfully referred to the working class people of Pennsylvania and Indiana as being individuals who "cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Bad selection of words once again


Source: 2008 Politico pre-Potomac Primary interview Feb 11, 2008

Source: 2008 Democratic debate in Las Vegas Jan 15, 2008
Be on the lookout for this president and his buzzwords ''common sense approach'', do the same with this presidents' communist ideologue constituency as well.



:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
Source: From Promise to Power, by David Mendell, p.250-251 Aug 14, 2007


√ :1orglaugh Whaaaat ? You lost me on many fronts mr prez, who gives a rats if a gun was made in or near your city or not ?
√ ''But what we also have to do is to make sure that we change our politics so that we care just as much about . . .'' huh ? ! :dunno:
√ Virginia Tech "children" ?


Source: The Audacity of Hope, by Barack Obama, p.215 Oct 1, 2006

Well, Mr president, let's try ceasing the importation of individuals who are most likely to become gangbangers....ever hear of ms 13 ? y... yeah those guys, o... or would that be racist of me ? :shy:
No profiling ?! What about the increase in gun violence in Chitown, mr prez ?
Are you finally ready to reveal the terms & conditions of your ''common sense approach, mr. prez ? or is the political timing not right ? :1orglaugh

Source: Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes Oct 21, 2004

Source: 1998 IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test Jul 2, 1998

Reference: Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act; Bill S 397 ; vote

Obama also sat on the board of the joyce foundation, a vehement anti Second Amendment non for profit social policy gaggle.... no surprises here

2 votes in Ill state Senate...one saying manufacturers can be sued and another basically upholding a premise that exists in virtually every jurisdiction in the US.

Not one vote suggesting he would confiscate firearms which is the basis for this entire thread.

Again, show us the vote and actions that supports the basis of the notion he would confiscate firearms.

I'll wait.....