Then I don't think you have a strong enough grasp of history... it was intended exactly for that. They left England because of the government. They came here to start new and to avoid repeating the same mistakes and ending up in the situation that led them to leave England they wrote the Bill of Rights to protect people from becoming subjects or servants to a government.
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Then I don't think you have a strong enough grasp of history... it was intended exactly for that. They left England because of the government. They came here to start new and to avoid repeating the same mistakes and ending up in the situation that led them to leave England they wrote the Bill of Rights to protect people from becoming subjects or servants to a government.
I doubt that. For one, dumping bombs on US soil against US citizens would only go so far before the military refused to continue taking orders.
What would the government gain by destroying what it would obviously perceive as its property and the slaves they own to maintain it.
That's where the weakness of tyranny is... it eventually alienates everyone and loses its strength by doing such.
Agreed. Obviously my B2 example was extreme. They could easily send a Predator armed with Hellfire missiles to circle around for hours and take you out as soon as you get into your car.
And as for the military revolting (sp?); if they haven't revolted yet while they die by the thousands in the middle of nowhere, surrounded by people who want them gone or dead fighting for something that I guarantee you many of them don't understand or agree with. If they can do that, they certainly won't mind killing a few 'paranoid' Americans that their Commander-in-Chief deems as (and no doubt provides proof that they - whether fake or real - are) terrorists.
Who sounds paranoid?
From Dr. Johnny Fever, WKRP In Cincinnati (or words to the effect):
'Hey Travis, when everyone is out to get you, paranoia is just good thinking'.
This is ridiculous, it appears you are a lost soul. What will banning guns even really accomplish? You do realize that war has been a part of mankind since, well...since when hasn't it? War has always been a part of the world, and it's only going to get worse. Banning guns does what? Just look at the savagery of the Vikings and the Monguls; they didn't need guns to commit some of the most heinous acts in history, but they did. I can assure you a thug would think twice about attacking you and yours if they know you are protected.
I feel much safer in a neighborhood where I have law-abiding citizens (neighbors) who are armed and trustworthy than live in the inner-city with a bunch of castrated hippies who would rather get robbed/raped/murdered at gun point then to be armed. And while we're on that subject, why don't all you anti-gun types move to the ghetto? Make a difference; put your money where your mouth is. Surely you're philosophy will be applied and respected honorably there.
Good quotes! :hatsoff:
Where exactly did I type that I was for banning guns? Because I am not.
And since you will not find where I typed it, because I did not; then why did you type that I was for banning guns in America?
For the last fucking time - I hope - I AM NOT FOR BANNING GUNS IN AMERICA.
Next time you start typing something, why not make sure you have a clue what it is you are typing about?
Fair enough.
^ I do find this part of one of your previous posts a little odd though. That's a little over-the-top, don't you think? In fact it makes no sense. Saying that either all people should or all people shouldn't carry weapons means including criminals of all sorts in addition to millions of people (like women) that have no desire or perhaps just want their mate to be armed. You might want to clarify yourself on that point.
^ I do find this part of one of your previous posts a little odd though. That's a little over-the-top, don't you think? In fact it makes no sense. Saying that either all people should or all people shouldn't carry weapons means including criminals of all sorts in addition to millions of people (like women) that have no desire or perhaps just want their mate to be armed. You might want to clarify yourself on that point.
Thank you. It's just that you are about the 4'th person to assume that in this thread, when I never typed it.
That is a big pet peeve of mine on here. Being misquoted. Funny. I don't mind if people tear my points to shreds that much. Especially if they have a good point. But if they misrepresent my words - I go ballistic.
I guess Freud would have a reason why. Though I don't know it.
Again, I did not type all people (I think). Obviously criminals would lose that right.
What I believe is that all non criminals must get qualified and trained to properly operate, clean, disassemble and re-assemble a standard handgun. And, if they cannot afford one, the federal government should supply them with one at no charge (and say one box of ammunition per year for firing practice).
They don't have to carry it. Once they get their free gun from the government, they can throw it in the ocean if they want to. But everyone - say when they turn 16 or 18 - who is not a criminal should be given one and taught how to properly fire and maintain it.
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I'll take an educated stab at what it is you're for :
A Constitutional Convention ? No ?
Then by the deductive method of reason . . .
Back to the dialectics, I see
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Great Thread Prof Voluptuary!!!! :thumbsup: If they, Our Government wants a War right here in the USA. Just try to repeal the Second Ammendment, and watch what happens. We are allmost there now. It's a shame our Congress is so STUPID, that they will say anything to get elected and turn on us the people that elected them, it's disgusting. Look at all the PORK Congress put together, over 2,000 pet projects, in the "Health & Education Bill" this morning, and Bush Veto'd it today while in Air Force One, on his way accross from Louisville, Ky. And he ain't no better leaving ALL the illegals in. Come in the right, correct way, no problem. Sneaking in like a Theft in the night, thats one reason we need the Second Ammendment!!! Nuff Said!!! :ak47:
Very Nice Idea McRocket!!! I think a country in Europe does this, I can't remember which one. I want to say it's in the Balkins, thats a GUESS people. Anybody know which one it is????
Hi Ya Fox!!!! Your A Well Traveled Guy, Which Country Is It????
Hey Fox, I know this is off topic a little bit, but I want to tell you a story that happened at my place about 5-6 years ago. Have you ever heard of Jehovah Witness's, they go around in there car's mostly on the weekends, preaching there faith, wanting you to convert to there thinking. I really don't care what a persons Religion is, till they start running it down my throat, then I take offense. The husband seen my flagpole flying the US Flag. He said that "I'm Worshipping The US Government", I said your wrong mister, I fly that flag for the people that have gave there lives so you can do what your doing now, freedom of Religion, and other freedoms you use each and every day, which my ancestors had to leave Germany in 1775 & 1810 and came to America because of Religious Persecusion! My father was in the field sighting in his new .50cal Black Powder Rifle. And he said "ALL GUNS should be outlawed!!" I said mister if I was to go and steal your nice new car what would you do? He said "I'll call the police", I said thats a joke (Tell Ya The Rest Later), I said you have a nice family, nice looking wife, what would you do if I grabbed her and tried to take her away against her will? He said "I'd do nothing but call the police!" I said mister by that time I'd be half-way accross the state. He would not even stick up for his wife, or kids, or property. To him, it's his way of thinking, so be it. Not Me, last week my neighbors Burgler Alarm on the house went off, calling the alarm company & police automatically. My 3 other neighbors and myself had the 3 burglers (They had stolen jewelery & money & the owners fathers watch on them) all sitting down in the wet grass tied-up when the police finally got there 1 hour and 5 minutes later. You can do a lot of Stealing or Raping or Molesting in that amount of time. Oh, and by the way, they was Metizo's, Illegals. And the house was upside down, a mess, we waited till they came home. Both have worked hard, and it was hard to see him cry, he does a little hunting, retired school teacher. But the thing that got me the most was when his wife said to him, I want a handgun, and I want to go to school to know how to use it. One cop had stayed behind till the house was secured with the alarm co., busted window, he gave her a card for a place to go to firearm school. This is why the Second Ammendment will NEVER be done away with!! Yep, I still use the !!!!! C-Ya Fox!! [/I][/B]
Two had knives 4"-5" non folding. The other had a thing I've seen only on T.V., kinda like a small machette with a bend in the middle making the tip forward. Nasty looking thing, they all dropped there stuff when they met my neighbor & son with there AK-47's with stacked 30 round clips, I just had my AR-15 with stacked 40 round clips, I should have took my shotgun. We all talked about it later, a little to dark to be shooting rifles, but thats what was near me. Later Fox!!! :wave2:
Had me until ...
You had me until ...
Secondly, you cannot blame the media for the fools that not only drive it, but those who believe it.
It's hard for me to watch US media, it's unintellectual dribble full of half-truths and 98% analysis for morons.
But it serves its purpose that 2% of the time.
If Americans are simple flock that follow it's media, then that's on us, not the media, not the government.
But public opinion polls tell me otherwise, not just on the President, but on the Congress.
Most Americans know what is wrong, and they want leaders that will address it.
I vote for one who will, even if 98.5% of Americans will not.
20 years ago?
50 years ago?
100 years ago?
When the US was founded?
Before the US was even founded?
Intelligence, education, self-realization, not siding with one or two or more popular viewpoints, etc... is how you deal with that.
Some people think Bush can do no wrong, and Clinton did everything wrong.
Some people think Clinton did no wrong, and Bush did everything wrong.
I can honestly tell you that absolutes are dead wrong.
And I feel more strongly that voting for the "lesser of two evils" is "absolutely" wrong.
You had me until ...
First off, our media is its own folly, of and by the people who drive advertising.
Secondly, you cannot blame the media for the fools that not only drive it, but those who believe it.
It's hard for me to watch US media, it's unintellectual dribble full of half-truths and 98% analysis for morons.
But it serves its purpose that 2% of the time.
If Americans are simple flock that follow it's media, then that's on us, not the media, not the government.
But public opinion polls tell me otherwise, not just on the President, but on the Congress.
Most Americans know what is wrong, and they want leaders that will address it.
I vote for one who will, even if 98.5% of Americans will not.
Was it any different 10 years ago?
20 years ago?
50 years ago?
100 years ago?
When the US was founded?
Before the US was even founded?
Intelligence, education, self-realization, not siding with one or two or more popular viewpoints, etc... is how you deal with that.
Some people think Bush can do no wrong, and Clinton did everything wrong.
Some people think Clinton did no wrong, and Bush did everything wrong.
I can honestly tell you that absolutes are dead wrong.
And I feel more strongly that voting for the "lesser of two evils" is "absolutely" wrong.
My God... some people just don't get it. Not matter how many times you show them how to add 2+2 it always equals 5 and C-A-T spells dog.
Here's the decoding ...
Most people who have lived in this country for awhile, or better yet, escaped far less free nations or even persecution, think of the American flag as a symbol of free and collective individuality from the world, despite all of its shortcomings, and honor those who died for it and the nations we have assisted, even if misguided at times.
But some other people, typically newer to the US and those who were not persecuted in other nations, look at the American flag and view it as "oppression." They believe anyone who cherishes the US flag supports military action, which is murder in their eyes.
A great irony I find with the latter is that they will excuse the actions of "combatants" who do not follow the same "rules of engagement" that our soldiers cling to. They will make many other excuses and apply a much, much, much higher standard towards the US, in some cases, an impossible standard because it is conflicting.
The ultimate irony is the fact that the US is one of the few nations, and pretty much the only major power-wielding nation, that has never been controlled by its military in its entire history. It's civilian leaders have not been wise, have been stupid, have even gone against its Constitution, but they were term-limited and, in virtually all cases, over-ridden by other civilians in the same government.
Because the civilians that lead this country are of the people, by the people, for the people, elected by the people in an imperfect system that is the best we know of -- one balanced by both majority rule along with objective, minority protection without subjective "whim" feelings.
Here's the decoding ...
Most people who have lived in this country for awhile, or better yet, escaped far less free nations or even persecution, think of the American flag as a symbol of free and collective individuality from the world, despite all of its shortcomings, and honor those who died for it and the nations we have assisted, even if misguided at times.
But some other people, typically newer to the US and those who were not persecuted in other nations, look at the American flag and view it as "oppression." They believe anyone who cherishes the US flag supports military action, which is murder in their eyes.
A great irony I find with the latter is that they will excuse the actions of "combatants" who do not follow the same "rules of engagement" that our soldiers cling to. They will make many other excuses and apply a much, much, much higher standard towards the US, in some cases, an impossible standard because it is conflicting.
The ultimate irony is the fact that the US is one of the few nations, and pretty much the only major power-wielding nation, that has never been controlled by its military in its entire history. It's civilian leaders have not been wise, have been stupid, have even gone against its Constitution, but they were term-limited and, in virtually all cases, over-ridden by other civilians in the same government.
Because the civilians that lead this country are of the people, by the people, for the people, elected by the people in an imperfect system that is the best we know of -- one balanced by both majority rule along with objective, minority protection without subjective "whim" feelings.
Re: Here's the decoding ...
And yet they would rather bitch and moan while enjoying the freedoms of this "terrible, oppressive, greed-driven country than leave. I love hypocritical irony. Bitter sweet. Yum.
And yet they would rather bitch and moan while enjoying the freedoms of this "terrible, oppressive, greed-driven country than leave. I love hypocritical irony. Bitter sweet. Yum.
There is a problem when quoting crime gun stats. Any fire arm used in a "crime" no mater if it was used by a police officer, a store keeper, a mother, father, sister, brother legally in defending their lives, property, the public is classified as a crime gun. So if an officer shoots someone, the officers firearm is put on the list as a crime gun, even though the gun was used in the line of duty, it is still classified as a crime gun. Thats why anti-gun advocates love to quote gun crime numbers, they are inflated numbers.
