A very good post, IMO.
I more or less tried to type the same thing in another thread (though I think you phrased it better then I did) - and I got ambushed by some; so be warned (lol).
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A very good post, IMO.
I more or less tried to type the same thing in another thread (though I think you phrased it better then I did) - and I got ambushed by some; so be warned (lol).
let's put it this way, if the government wants my guns, they'd have to try to take them.
there's more to guns than just killing. target shooting is extremely popular and so is collecting for historical value (all 7 of my rifles are WWII or older). people in other countries don't have the chance to see that so they really can't say what should happen in the US
there's more to guns than just killing. target shooting is extremely popular and so is collecting for historical value (all 7 of my rifles are WWII or older). people in other countries don't have the chance to see that so they really can't say what should happen in the US
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I am in the principled document camp of Constitutionalists as opposed to "living breathing".
Often, the "living breathing document" camp forget that in order to become "Progressive", said malleable documents may also be regressive, an anathema to their cause eh ?
Ahh . . . . the balance of powers ~
Reasonable reciprocity seems to work out best, IMO.
All the best ~
Often, the "living breathing document" camp forget that in order to become "Progressive", said malleable documents may also be regressive, an anathema to their cause eh ?
Ahh . . . . the balance of powers ~
Reasonable reciprocity seems to work out best, IMO.
All the best ~
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Funny, that attitude of "let's put it this way, if the government wants my guns, they'd have to try to take them." really pisses of Europeans. We say that as extremely arragent and obnoxious. Gun crime is unbelievable, and to not try and stop it by limiting fire arms seams the most backwards thing ever. US has more shooting in LA than the whole of the UK. Is that connected to the fact that guns are illegal in the UK? I'd guess so.
You have a country run by pressure groups and lobbies. Have you lost your own personal choices?
You have a country run by pressure groups and lobbies. Have you lost your own personal choices?
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I personally believe that US Americans can't do so because if we get guns we can protect ourselves from the bad guy, so to help the poor we must let them steal from us and then give them maps to where all our stuff is so we can help the map readers............................
What was the question again? :dunno: :o
On topic, guns are here to stay no matter what the government says. That's like saying its against the law to do drugs or prostitute lmao anyone see an end to those?
LL
What was the question again? :dunno: :o
On topic, guns are here to stay no matter what the government says. That's like saying its against the law to do drugs or prostitute lmao anyone see an end to those?
LL
:dunno:
if the government were ever to take away our right to bear arms, it would infringe on the constitution and there would basically be anarchy. there's no sense doing it so there's no sense having people in an uproar about it
You have been very successful with your Constitution and the limitation of powers it imposes on the State.But circumstances can change and events can arise which were never foreseen when it was drafted.I don't think the creators of the "right to bear arms" clause ever dreamt of how it would be interpreted.The very word "arms" now has a different meaning from what it had then.
This aside,as has already been mentioned by many posters, it's the misuse of guns which creates the problems.Having a gun though multiplies the chance of a tragedy.You lose your temper with somebody and you may hit them but if you have a gun handy you might be tempted to use it.Or you carry one for "protection" because you worry that the other guy will have one if you haven't.The general possession of them makes accidents and misjudgements very much more serious.Clearly in a world without guns there would be no gun victims.There would of course be knife, cosh and baseball bat victims but the use of such weapons requires more deliberate action than squeezing a trigger at a distance.
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This is progressivism, all this tentativeness !
Would you care to wake up every morning wondering what the rights of the day had become ? Every Day - A New Writ ?
Revision / Meddling leads to tyranny.
The interpretation of the language thereof, re-interpretation actually, will eventually lead to civil strife i.e. - fighting in the streets and consequent unnecessary death of people . . . . again ! an anathema as to what they'd claimed their cause at the get go ! I'll go ahead and ask - Is this what they really want ? After all, they're closely allied to the likes of Hugo Chavez, Noamy Chump, Earth Overpopulation r e d e v e l o p m e n t fringes, theoretical - relativistic environmental fright gangs and about X,000 other angry nasty "re-" groups.
Note: If an entirety of progressivist policy goes forth, one would have to get accustomed to reading through a great deal of *asterisk, (parenthesis) hyphen - :{} []| \?/ ,>< ^( ) . . ad naus !
For each word must be individually defined as it applies to the day - i.e. "progressivist context". Do you really want that ?
Would you actually want a world less diverse in such a way there was perfect uniformity in thought ? Not Me ! I treasure diversity o - opine so long as you don't wish to lop my head off. I've learned a great deal over the years from those whom I hadn't necessarily agreed with previous. I'll admit - Some of my views have been modified,in the past by other contrary viewpoints - so long as I'm honest with myself:1orglaugh. I strive to be so.
"I will choose a path that's clear
I will choose free will". N.P. ~
Take Care ! ~
- a libertarian as opposed to "Libertarian"
- Dr. W. Williams
Would you care to wake up every morning wondering what the rights of the day had become ? Every Day - A New Writ ?
Revision / Meddling leads to tyranny.
The interpretation of the language thereof, re-interpretation actually, will eventually lead to civil strife i.e. - fighting in the streets and consequent unnecessary death of people . . . . again ! an anathema as to what they'd claimed their cause at the get go ! I'll go ahead and ask - Is this what they really want ? After all, they're closely allied to the likes of Hugo Chavez, Noamy Chump, Earth Overpopulation r e d e v e l o p m e n t fringes, theoretical - relativistic environmental fright gangs and about X,000 other angry nasty "re-" groups.
Note: If an entirety of progressivist policy goes forth, one would have to get accustomed to reading through a great deal of *asterisk, (parenthesis) hyphen - :{} []| \?/ ,>< ^( ) . . ad naus !
For each word must be individually defined as it applies to the day - i.e. "progressivist context". Do you really want that ?
Would you actually want a world less diverse in such a way there was perfect uniformity in thought ? Not Me ! I treasure diversity o - opine so long as you don't wish to lop my head off. I've learned a great deal over the years from those whom I hadn't necessarily agreed with previous. I'll admit - Some of my views have been modified,in the past by other contrary viewpoints - so long as I'm honest with myself:1orglaugh. I strive to be so.
"I will choose a path that's clear
I will choose free will". N.P. ~
Take Care ! ~
- a libertarian as opposed to "Libertarian"
- Dr. W. Williams
1.I support gun ownership and I am against most forms of gun control. Having said that, growing my dad and I attended Gun and Knife shows and quite frankly people who also attended such events scare the hell out of both of us. I believe that the founding fathers wanted the people to be armed as a means of defense against a tyrannical government. But I also do not think they had any idea that fully automatic weapons were in the cards. Some of the people who want such weapons frighten me, and though I have a hard time bringing myself to say that I want to deny them their weapons, I do think some level of regulation and registration is in order.
2.Last year for a statistics project I analyzed violent crime rates in all 50 US states. I was checking for some sort of correlation between education levels, unemployment, gun control laws, presence of a death penalty, population density, and amount of disposable income. Upon analysis, the factors that were significant were unemployment rates and presence of a death penalty. In the case of the latter, I saw that states with the death penalty tended to have higher violent crime rates. I do not think I tested for it, but in hindsight I would guess unemployment and education have a high degree of multicollinearity and so including both is redundant. Anyway, the point is gun control legislation ended up not being a strong factor.
So, gun violence is not a phenomena onto its self. It's a symptom, not the disease. As others have stated, there are other ways to kill people if that is the main objective. Almost anything can be made into a lethal weapon. Knifes, bats, hand tolls, etc. For large scale destruction, explosives are fairly easy to make once you know a bit of chemistry. Gun control legislation is a band-aid, not a fix.
3. There are certain things in the bill of rights that I do have some opposition to. Mainly, eminent domain. I've seen eminent domain abused in order to the local governments to take people's land and pave an highway on what was an otherwise aesthetically pleasing landscape in order to give highway access to real estate that their buddies want to develop. I know that eminent domain has its purpose: on the other hand I do not believe that 200 years ago anyone had any ideas of eight lane super highways. That is one sticking issue I have with saying that I disagree with any overturn of the Bill of Rights.
2.Last year for a statistics project I analyzed violent crime rates in all 50 US states. I was checking for some sort of correlation between education levels, unemployment, gun control laws, presence of a death penalty, population density, and amount of disposable income. Upon analysis, the factors that were significant were unemployment rates and presence of a death penalty. In the case of the latter, I saw that states with the death penalty tended to have higher violent crime rates. I do not think I tested for it, but in hindsight I would guess unemployment and education have a high degree of multicollinearity and so including both is redundant. Anyway, the point is gun control legislation ended up not being a strong factor.
So, gun violence is not a phenomena onto its self. It's a symptom, not the disease. As others have stated, there are other ways to kill people if that is the main objective. Almost anything can be made into a lethal weapon. Knifes, bats, hand tolls, etc. For large scale destruction, explosives are fairly easy to make once you know a bit of chemistry. Gun control legislation is a band-aid, not a fix.
3. There are certain things in the bill of rights that I do have some opposition to. Mainly, eminent domain. I've seen eminent domain abused in order to the local governments to take people's land and pave an highway on what was an otherwise aesthetically pleasing landscape in order to give highway access to real estate that their buddies want to develop. I know that eminent domain has its purpose: on the other hand I do not believe that 200 years ago anyone had any ideas of eight lane super highways. That is one sticking issue I have with saying that I disagree with any overturn of the Bill of Rights.
propper guns with bullets that will more than likely kill should cos of muppets like these http://comegetyousome.com/viewvid.php?id=4285 but hunting guns like air rifles with pellets i think are ok for hunting purposes,
the uk does fine without killer guns which is why we dont need them in homes to protect ourselves, why should Americans have them or is there something different about America in which theres an American gene which makes you struggle to lock your doors at night for whatever reason.
if guns are outlawed in America it will be safer to go to school and safer to go shopping etc. its upto the sane American public who dont need guns to realise this an save their own lives and familys lives by appealing against them
the uk does fine without killer guns which is why we dont need them in homes to protect ourselves, why should Americans have them or is there something different about America in which theres an American gene which makes you struggle to lock your doors at night for whatever reason.
if guns are outlawed in America it will be safer to go to school and safer to go shopping etc. its upto the sane American public who dont need guns to realise this an save their own lives and familys lives by appealing against them
They shouldn't ....not in the "real world." Imagine some foreigner voting in our polls or having any influence in the what happens in our country...that's globalism, a very scarry proposition.
Your condescending attitude will get you little sympathy from us "evil Yankees" when it comes to what happens in our house.
propper guns with bullets that will more than likely kill should cos of muppets like these http://comegetyousome.com/viewvid.php?id=4285 but hunting guns like air rifles with pellets i think are ok for hunting purposes,
the uk does fine without killer guns which is why we dont need them in homes to protect ourselves, why should americans have them or is there something different about america in which theres an american gene which makes you struggle to lock your doors at night for whatever reason.
if guns are outlawed in america it will be safer to go to school and safer to go shopping etc. its upto the sane american public who dont need guns to realise this an save their own lives and familys lives by appealing against them
View post 14 of this very thread. One of your very own blokes has a very different tune to sing. :sing:
View post 14 of this very thread. One of your very own blokes has a very different tune to sing. :sing:[/QUOTE]
thats a good point, im from wales an id imagine gun crime is alot higher in england at places like london, bristol and manchester so maybe i was wrong aswell theres very rarely gun crime in wales though so when guns were outlawed here it cant have been that bad a decision
yep, i just looked back to check sterobbo01 was from england lol an hes from manchester which is a place i mentioned off the top of my head lol
thats a good point, im from wales an id imagine gun crime is alot higher in england at places like london, bristol and manchester so maybe i was wrong aswell
theres very rarely gun crime in wales though so when guns were outlawed here it cant have been that bad a decisionyep, i just looked back to check sterobbo01 was from england lol an hes from manchester which is a place i mentioned off the top of my head lol
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In simple terms... of all the guns LEGALLY bought and sold in the US, I would guess a VAST majority of them are never fired at a person or used against another human being.
Mr. Daystar
In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
First of all, the point is simple. If you are not from this country, you shouldn't get a vote. You don't have to be here, you can leave, see ya, don't need you here.
Secondly, fear, never, hate, damn fucking right!! But not just foreigners, basically everyone.
Now, if you think for one minute disarming America is going to make the world safer, dig this, I'm no threat to you, unless you break into my house, then you will take at least one round...maybe two, but if you really, really wanna disarm the world and make it better, start with the warlords in Africa, the terrorists in the Middle East, and your very own Government, then maybe ours will follow suite, and I won't need any guns.
cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscripti catapultas habebunt
Hate does not exist without fear.
And where exactly did I type that America should disarm? I have typed that either every American should have a gun or no one should, you hate filled nothing.
And since you hate everyone, then I assume that means everyone hates you. Your parents, co-workers and everyone you have known and ever will know.
I could be because their are a lot more Americans on this messageboard than Darfurians. No wait,...that's too logical.
On a lighter note....
I hear you can get AK's for 15-25 dollars (US) in Afrika
......be a little hard getting that through Customs though, eh?
To oppose a tyrannical federal government, to protect your home, famiy, business and to go hunting. Why do think Israelis carry guns?
I personally think Girls with Guns are sexy:
