Oh look! Facts and figures!
Obama isn't a Muslim, let's not open that bullshit accusation. He sat in a black baptists church for 20 years which everyone bitched about, but then suddenly he's a Muslim?
Quite hilarious, that accusation.
I am willing to vote against my interest in order to make the country I live in a better place for everyone. I make good money and I am willing to pay more because of it. Not sure how that is so wrong, but okay, whatever. These retards are voting against the people who are willing to help them and who are concerned about them. They can't afford to be forgotten any more than they already are.
A huge part of why poor white America doesn't vote democrat is due to racism and bigotry. I am dying to hear someone argue with me on this one!!!
I did that when I voted Lib Dem 'cos I thought they were a stepping stone to a multi-party democracy.
I'll argue with you on that one, but only for a joke.
dude, you wanna read some Bush quotes? How about some Palin quotes?
Don't knock Palin, at least she's loyal; when asked about the Korean situation she was all for "Standing by our North Korean allies..."
My health insurance premium has jumped from 4300 dollars a year to 6700 dollars a year. My tax rate has increased form 35 percent to 39.5 percent. No I am not better off.
Who cares about you though?
Better to care for the population as a whole rather than a man who can apparently afford an aged Lambo yet whinges about paying a bit more tax.
well the right has decimated the middle class so not sure how anything they are offering is going to be any better.
Some say that the attacks on the middle class are to stop them threatening the position of the rich.
Others say that the rich want to stop the poor breeding.
Do you really believe that he is a christian because I don't. The first names Barack and Hussein aren't American and same comment for the Obama family name. A lot of questions arise about his birth certificate being fake. Accusations should always be opened especially when someone falsificated official documents.
Does his religion matter?
Do you think he should have a genuine american name like little wing perhaps? :rofl:
he attended a baptists christian church for 20 years. his father was muslim and is from Kenya, so he has a Kenyan name.
his birth certificate has been settled and that is a bunch of conspiracy shit that is Donald Trump's game to play.
Trump. Such a good businessman, he's on TV instead of doing business.
What budget cuts to what army programs?
Good point.
The F22 is a complete waste of money. There are persistent flaws in the oxygen system, it's too damn expensive and there is not an Air Force in the world that can compete with our F15, F16, and F/A18s, which are proven performers with proven training programs for the pilots. The money we waste on F22 and F35s is money that we can continue to refine the existing warplanes, give the pilots more simulator and flight time and still have billions left over. Swing and a miss.
And you said programs - plural. What else?
While I agree on the F22, an american air force general himself proclaimed the Su27 to be better than the F15.
I'm not convinced by the F18 either.
You're right about the money being better spent refining the teen series.
Also, by producing the f22 and propogandising it, you cause competitors to be created (see Pak Fa and all the upcoming Gen. 5 aircraft projects), had they not created f22 then competitors capable of outperforming the teen series would likely not have been started on 'til much later.
You are so grossly misinformed about everything you post, this comment being no exception, that I ain't even mad.
Awesome.
Those same arguments were used against the B-1. The F-22 can cruise supersonic which none of the other platforms you mentioned are capable of.
The B1 is a fucking mess. At least the Soviet Union kept with the program and the Tu160 Blackjack can do everything the B1 was originally meant to do before america found out they weren't up to the job.
So the f22 supercruises? So what? Many aircraft do, some did, before the f22 existed.
The f22s supercruise is unique only in the price that it charges for that capability.
First of all, there are subtle differences between a fighter and a bomber. One's a fighter and one's a bomber.
Secondly, you would have us pay $150 million per plane, when it has no enemies? I say again, there is nothing anywhere that can compete with an F15 at a third of the cost. And more importantly, no one can compete with our pilots (something that armchair commandos never seem to factor in).
I have no idea what importance you are giving to cruising speed. The F15 actually has a better top speed than an F22, and "cruising" faster means using more fuel.
As an armchair commando I'd like to say that I always factor pilot training & experience in :tongue:
For the record I believe F15SE can supercruise, but check that out and don't take my word on it.
The chinese and the russians are developping their fifth generation stealthy planes if that is not a threat then there is a problem. They are also developping and building their last generation of submarines and ICBMs which outperform the latest version of the minuteman III. The f15 isn't stealthy and hasn't got thrust vectoring like the latest generation of mig 29 and su 27 and it hasn't got as well as a passive area scanned array radar. The f22 is stealthy, has trust vectoring and a passive area scanned array radar. The best pilots in the world are in the Israeli Air Force, they are the ones who have the highest kills scores on f15s and f16s.
List of Obama's administration defense canceled programs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground-Based_Midcourse_Defense
http://www.defensenews.com/article/...Obama-Intends-Cancel-SM-3-IIB-Missile-Program
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/17/w...cels-missile-defense-russia-opposed.html?_r=0
http://blog.heritage.org/2011/04/13/military-already-being-cut-but-obama-makes-it-official/
http://blog.heritage.org/2011/07/20/our-militarys-grim-state-armed-forces-under-stress/
http://blog.heritage.org/2011/11/04/draconian-defense-cuts-will-reduce-safety/
If you want more I will give you more
1: F15SE is LO. Not that it matters very much because they have radars that can detect stealth.
2: F15s can and have been upgraded to take thrust vectoring. Much cheaper than f22.
3: The radar can EASILY be upgraded. F15 is a BIG bird.
You do realize that the Raptor is designed to also carry a nuclear payload don't you? Supercruising stealth with a low radar signature has so many benefits especially considering the threat that N. Korea and Iran pose if they become a nuclear country it really is a no-brainer as to why it would be a valuable military asset. We aren't talking dog fighting here.
Talking of no brainers, if you want to fly a stealthy penetration nuclear strike mission then you use stand off launched stealth cruise missiles (assuming you're not Russia or India who can use Brahmos). Not expensive and vulnerable pilots and planes.
Incidentally, both F15 and 16 can take nuclear weapons.
And if Iran becomes a nuclear threat, stealth will be of little, if any aid.
Also supercruising means that they are maintaining supersonic speed without the use of afterburner. Single crystalline turbine blades are able to rotate faster than normal turbine blades. It is technology developed especially for the F-22. Supersonic speed on the F-15 is achieved only with the thrust of afterburner. Basically the turbine blades on the F-22 can rotate at a higher RPM than conventional turbine blades which would melt on other jet engines.
Other aircraft can supercruise.
there are more whites on welfare and food stamps than blacks or Hispanics. did you know that georges????????????
PWNAGE!
He doesn't know anything.
Your post and your sources are for shit. You also choose to ignore the tactic of blowing up the enemys airfields if you're worried about his planes. And the extensive use of drone warfare. And the F15 Silent Eagle. And the B2. And.......
I don't see the advantage of drones, please educate me?
And the B2... That hangar queen?
Pardon me if I'm not as enthused about nuclear payloads as you are.
If NK and/or Iran gain nukes, it won't be the F22 that beats them. And if we're not talking about dogfighting then wtf are we paying $150million on a fighter plane for?
If we are talking about dogfighting, there's nothing wrong with the jets you already have for that.
so you believe that Americans could stand up in a fight against the military in today's world? REALLY?????????????? You believe they foresaw nuclear weapons? chemical weapons? assault rifles?? magazines with 30 rounds in them? automatic guns??? come on now. be better than these other kool aid drinkers
So do you also believe that universal background checks shouldn't be required? How about registering a gun???
Why not? Middle Eastern civilians stand up to the american army.
I disagree. A response to a nuclear attack (terrorist for instance) would require a response that only an aircraft could deliver. ICBMs would not be as precise.
What formed this opinion? 1970?
If you want to throw nukes around (why?), accuracy isn't really
that important.
Could Americans win in a fight against our own military? Yes. Who says the military would fight Americans? What kind of mindset do you attribute to servicemembers? I was in the Army for 8 years. I can tell you that at least half would join the "rebels" (and bring their weapons with them) and maybe 10% of the rest at maximum would be willing to fire on their own countrymen. Where would the military get supplied from? Where would they evacuate their wounded too? How could the military hope to subdue a country the size of America?
The Syrian rebels continue fighting. Whatever specifics you care to attribute their survival to, there's plenty of specifics that would apply here. Yes, Americans are more than capable of standing up to their own military.
Good.
I think it is terribly sad that people living in this country base their views on whether or not they need to protect themselves from a hostile government. The level of paranoia of that line of thought is overwhelming to me.
I own a gun to protect myself and my home from people.
you can live your life believing that but that makes me feel sorry for you. That is tin foil on your head kind of thinking.
If it's any help, many people around the world feel under attack from a hostile government.
I have a son and I am a home owner.
If we continue to put only the interest of the wealthy Americans first, no one but them will own homes by the time I'm 62 anyway.
If you continue that way, all homes will be rented from the rich and you'll turn into a shithole like the Middle East.
Tell that to the people in Bosnia. Tell it to the Iranians. And the Cambodians. And as a matter of fact, look up Eritrea while you're at it. And Myanmar. Tell it to the Russians living under Stalin. But no, just because it's happened everywhere else, there's just no way it could ever happen here. We're so much better than everyone else.
Good.
let's see...what do all of those places have in common???? would that be dictatorships? communism?? how about hostile governments?
What makes you think Nixon was so far from that? What makes you think the rich won't take that chance if you let them?
2nd Amendment.
No, it would not be easy for anybody to see future weapons development. Look at computer development - one of the greatest minds in Science Fiction, Isaac Asimov, saw computers growing, not shrinking. He got a lot right, but not that. Why would a bunch of politicians see the development in arms that did a job that was required of them at the time and even develop into the mass killing machines that is possible now?
To enable to a people's militia to overthrow a tyrannical government? Don't be so dense. This WILL NOT HAPPEN. Why? Because to become a tyrannical government you will have to have the backing of the military. A military made up of citizens of a free regime. A Regime that has had the freedom of it's people at the heart of its constitution for over 200 years. Can you really believe that your own army would turn against its citizens - turn against their family and friends? Only someone truly paranoid could imagine this.
Would you really give arms to someone who is that paranoid? I wouldn't.
Check your history - plenty of armies have tyranised their populaces.
The F22 entered service prematurely before the bugs were fixed. The F22 has an active area scanned radar (AESA). The Russians have had better missiles then the minuteman III for decades. Ground-Based Midcourse Defense has far more range then SM-3 based system. But both are basically trying to hit a bullet (kill vehicle) with a bullet (nuclear warhead). The U. S. missile shield is no threat to Russia. The U. S. would have to build tens of thousands of missiles to even try to stop Russian ICBMs with their penetration aids. ABM systems are more expensive to construct then ICBMs
Entered service prematurely? Are you fucking kidding me? It has one of the longest and most protracted development histories ever known!
The f22 has AESA. So what? I think the Russkis may have had it earlier in the MiG31.
The missile shield is a threat to Russia.
If you and I are in a room with 9mm pistols and I start strapping on full body armour, your choice is fire first before I finish putting it on or essentially become unarmed and vulnerable.
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