Obamacare Fuck Up

[Mariahxxx]

well for one he ended the Iraq war.

 

[Master Roshi]

well for one he ended the Iraq war.

his administration had no problem lending support to help wreck Libya and they were just as committed to going into Syria

 

[Mariahxxx]

to help wreck lybia? we didnt invade. we didnt spend trillions. we didnt lose thousands of lives. we didnt send in troops. and sending SUPPORT is far different than doing it all on your own when your allies wanted no part of it.

you cannot seriously compare lybia to iraq and afghanistan lol and syria? we havent done anything there lol wtf are you talking about?

 

[Master Roshi]

to help wreck lybia? we didnt invade. we didnt spend trillions. we didnt lose thousands of lives. we didnt send in troops. and sending SUPPORT is far different than doing it all on your own when your allies wanted no part of it.

you cannot seriously compare lybia to iraq and afghanistan lol and syria? we havent done anything there lol wtf are you talking about?

drone strike are still going on today ******* innocent civilians, of course Libya is not the same as Iraq and Afghanistan but he still authorized destructive military action there that is still continuing til this day so to say the military has not "done" anything incorrect and yes a hot war with Syria has not started yet but his administration was ready to go

 

[Mariahxxx]

and you have this classified information how? being "ready to go" is hardly being in a war. please post your information on continued drone strikes in Lybia. and who said the military hasn't done anything incorrect? I didn't say that. You are comparing things that have no comparison

 

[Jack Davenport]

and you have this classified information how? being "ready to go" is hardly being in a war. please post your information on continued drone strikes in Lybia. and who said the military hasn't done anything incorrect? I didn't say that. You are comparing things that have no comparison

Hey Bill! Believe it or not I used to watch Politically Incorrect all the time and enjoyed it. Anyway instead of Mariah letting you login with her password, why don't you just create your own account. Mm'kay? And let's do lunch sometime.

 

[xfire]

Nobody is debating that Bush and the Republicans spent like ******* sailors. And I am going to make a concession that will surprise most of the libs. I think that Democrats have a far more responsible approach that if you are going to spend like mad at least they raised revenues to offset some of that. Republic adopted the big spending and cut revenue. The issue that I have is when Democrats claim that deficits have fallen at the fastest rate in 70 years knowing full well that they spent like crazy when they held both houses and the only time they started cutting was when they had to deal with a Republican house. But that trillion dollar stimulus would have never ****** a Republican house.

Until 1980 every president since Harry Truman paid down on the National Debt, the majority of which came from financing World War II. We had social security, medicare, medicaid, and welfare programs and the debt was still paid down. If Reagan hadn't implemented his Voodoo Economics, the entire National Debt would have been paid down by the end of Bill Clinton's second term. Democrats would have never proposed a trillion dollar stimulus if it weren't for the failed policies of Reagan/Bush. There is absolutely nothing wrong with our government spending money that it can afford, republicans absolutely agree with that when it comes to defense/military spending. Conservatives desperately want "smaller government" and are willing to destroy the economy to get it. We are seeing the endgame of voodoo economics, the goal of which is to shrink the government, rising debt, we got it, causes pressure to cut spending, republicans oppose cutting military/defense spending so they pressure to cut social programs and programs that benefit middle and low incomes. It's really simple, go back to tax rates that make sense. The wealthy have enjoyed over thirty years of low taxes, no one is saying raise taxes back to 70%, that wouldn't be fair, but the top bracket could withstand another five percent from what they currently pay, couple that with a 25% reduction in military/defense spending and we would be well on our way to paying off the debt, would be able to save all of our current social programs and probably expand some of them, and still have the biggest, best equipped military in the world.

 

[Mariahxxx]

but that would mean the wealthy republicans would have to give more of their money AND do more for poor people. that is just too christian-like for these people.

 

[Mariahxxx]

Hey Bill! Believe it or not I used to watch Politically Incorrect all the time and enjoyed it. Anyway instead of Mariah letting you login with her password, why don't you just create your own account. Mm'kay? And let's do lunch sometime.

so with your swing-and-a-miss comment there, are you agreeing that our VERY limited involvement in Lybia is a comparable discussion to the wars in Iraq & Afghanistan? REALLY? even for you that seems lame.

 

[Jack Davenport]

xman in case you haven't noticed this isn't a discussion about my views on the virtues of supply side economics. It is me pointing out without laying blame that the 1 trillion spent in stimulus during Obama's first year in office was throwing good money after bad and that is the reason that the deficit appears to be falling at an expedited rate. It is a talking point that I am sure you love to hold on to but is disingenuous. Pure and simple.

 

[Mariahxxx]

wasnt McCain pushing a stimulous AND a bail out right before the election? didnt George the Cable Guy send everyone a check for $600? did you bitch then? No you gassed up your car and got ready to vote for the Old Man and his side kick Wonder Dummy.

 

[xfire]

xman in case you haven't noticed this isn't a discussion about my views on the virtues of supply side economics. It is me pointing out without laying blame that the 1 trillion spent in stimulus during Obama's first year in office was throwing good money after bad and that is the reason that the deficit appears to be falling at an expedited rate. It is a talking point that I am sure you love to hold on to but is disingenuous. Pure and simple.

This discussion can go in any direction it's taken, I appreciate your attempt to steer the direction of the conversation but I've never really been a willing passenger. I'm not concerned about the falling deficit, how it appears, or why, the fact is we got here thanks to thirty years of bad republican fiscal policy.

 

[Master Roshi]

http://www.usdebtclock.org/ its looking better everyday

 

[xfire]

http://www.usdebtclock.org/2000.html

Too bad it won't go back to 1980.

 

[Jack Davenport]

This discussion can go in any direction it's taken, I appreciate your attempt to steer the direction of the conversation but I've never really been a willing passenger. I'm not concerned about the falling deficit, how it appears, or why, the fact is we got here thanks to thirty years of bad republican fiscal policy.

Republicans had a damn good fiscal policy from 1995 when they held Clinton's feet to the fire which resulted in a surplus and a balanced budget. Then became ***** on power and forgot the reason they were swept into power in 1994 to start with.

 

[Mariahxxx]

but this is an entirely new republican party. a pledge to NEVER raise taxes again? radical right wing candidates? candidates claiming god personally told them to run for president? not willing to work with the democracts and if you do you are a pariah and a traitor?

hardly the same party.

 

[xfire]

Republicans had a damn good fiscal policy from 1995 when they held Clinton's feet to the fire which resulted in a surplus and a balanced budget. Then became ***** on power and forgot the reason they were swept into power in 1994 to start with.

Reagan tripled the National Debt. $900 billion when he took office. $2.9 trillion when he left.

 

[Mariahxxx]

he'll just blame that on the Democrats being in control of the house.

 

[Master Roshi]

Reagan tripled the National Debt. $900 billion when he took office. $2.9 trillion when he left.

the rise of the national debt has more to do with the complete delinking of the dollar from a gold and silver measurement back in 71 by Nixon but the Reagan administration definitely did not help matters, the biggest tax increase in US history was ****** under Reagan

 

[Mariahxxx]

well to be fair when he took office it was at 72% and he dropped it to 27% so when he had to raise it again it was significant and seemed like a bigger increase.